Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Never thought that this thread would get this big. I can´t easily find even my own posts anymore though I know they are there.
I like to think it the way that this is my personal log and therefor contains lot of stream of thoughts and random experiments.

I have a mentality not to open a thread everytime I have idea of sometihing and then be all over the place to a point of exhaustion. I like to build a solid case first like I did with the Ultrasound.

Anything ultrasound releated will be published in it. I have another cases building in similar fashion.

This is what I found from another PE forum.

Quote :” So much of what is “known” is anecdotal. “The plural of anecdote is not data.”

“Sometimes I look at the “state of the art” and obviously false myths based on nothing, then look at what I’ve learned in a few months about the reality of induced tissue growth.” Quote ends.

This was posted by a guy having similar thoughts to some degree , though he is kind a giving an impression being overwhelmed by his superior knowledge I am trying to avoid.

The main thing is the data. We need to have data if we are ever going to develop this thing forward.

There are two basic fields in particular which are critical and are rather easily arranged.

1. The basics. Load strain (Stress Strain) data from stretching the penis with established protocol for confirmed stress strain curve all penises have.
- The findings suggest that the strain rate with a penis stretched cold by any method is nearly identical for all.
- The additional strain with heat and differences in stretching methods are fundamental for the gains.

2. Temperature management. It does not sound nice but there should be more than two to three guys having temperature probes in their urethra for establishing safe protocols and easy to perform guidance for the ultrasound use.

Is the laser thermometer useful for measuring the internal temperature of the rod

The surface temperature does not correlate to the internal temperature.

High end flir camera in standardized athmospheric temperature could be a choice as well.

What I have found, which some one actually suggested if it was long time ago , is that the temperature curves between penis and the thigh correlatetes at high degree to the urethral temperature .
The question remains if the readings are cohesive relative to the position the shaft is agaist the limb.

If you just wait till I report it in the ultrasound thread once I have the time to produce a proper report. I have 1200 digits in single 20 minutes run and I don´t have proper datalogger. All the inputs are hand feeded in to excel.

I wonder if there are any electrical engineers here who could devise a very small diameter probe device for us to individually construct from readily available electronics supply components. Perhaps there are extremely small thermocouples that could be inserted at the end of a small monofilament or whatever have you with very low discomfort.

I have coated mine two thermocouples with heat shrink tube. It is has some flexibility.

In the picture my 4 channel thermometer setup and primitive datalogging with camera on capture mode. Four readings every 5 seconds

Hello, can you document your studies or what you are doing with video or pictures to show us how the ultrasound application and temperature measurement are done to learn from you the correct way

And to authenticate the devices in which the test is carried out, we need to document the basis of the correct application to pass failure

Good call. It is possible actually. I used to work for years on wide format photocopiers and printers. Some of them fuse the ink on the paper on an “oven” type of fuser before the paper comes out. In order to monitor proper temperature in the oven the unit has tiny thermostats, thermistor and thermometers.

Unfortunately I dont work in that anymore, meaning I dont have access to those parts, but my point is that it is absolutely possible to reverse engineer the wiring and data communication to retrofit these components in a modified tiny probe sending data to an external display.

I will do some research in the accessibility of these parts.

Kyrpa,

I have a few more questions regarding Ultra Sound.

First, is this the same or substantially similar to the GainsWave technology raved about by Ben Greenfield and others? What parallels might we draw?

Second, if someone has a curve to the left and low on shaft and the curve occurs in an area with reduced girth and an area that is generally not as firm as the rest of shaft (assuming there is some sort of scar tissue or plaque causing weakness and lack of blood flow?) is US a good method to treat this? I will be using it in conjunction with IR lights, a Bathmate, and Sizegenetics.

Finally, in another thread you said:
BEGIN. QUOTE
“Studies indicate that raising collagenous tissue temperature by 3°C (moderate heating) from the baseline induces increased elasticity in the stretched tissues.
Going further up to 4- 8 °C (vigorous heating) above the resting temperature the magic starts to happen when the therapeutic heat starts to allow plastic deformation of collagen by thermal mechanisms.
After passing the threshold of 40°C the thermal transition is allowing permanent lengthening on tissues while stretched. Some percentage of the elongation reached during the heat never reverse back to the previous length.
Continuing to do this after few exercises we are getting longer penises. There is the magic.“
END QUOTE

I wonder if the ultra sound. Would be effective in stretching and healing muscles/tendons/ligaments other than PE purposes. I have terrible tight hips and hamstrings that make squats and deadlifts perilous because I just can’t get proper range of motion. Do you think using this US while stretching could be a viable way increase mobility?

We are using ultrasound applications based on established treatments in physical therapy, having clinical studies and applications on human body for 50 years.
These treatments have categorized in two lines of applications. Thermal applications producing heat on tightened or shortened tissues to be then manually or some other way manipulated trying to elongate or relax them.
With effectively produced heat treatment the elongation of the treated tissue has proven to be substantially better than with stretching only premises.

Another category is healing applications. Usually pulsed low intensity ultrasound is applied in to injured or other ways impaired tissue. The aim is to start healing, regeneration and rehabilitation processes.
It is suggested that the application of US to injured tissues will, amongst other things, speed the rate of healing & enhance the quality of the repair.
The list of these applcations and surrounding studies is that long it would be entitled for another chapter in the ultrasound thread.

Gainswave is shockwave therapy, a derivative from traditional ultrasound application. Instead of continuously applied ultrasonic waves, in Gainswave the acoustic energy is "bombed" in to tissues in high energy pulses the target tissue being under magnitude greater energy impact at once.
Even the Low-Intensity Extracorporeal Shock Wave (Li-ESWT) applications ,in which Gainswave also has been categorized, has the energy pulse large enough to cause cellular microtrauma, which in turn stimulates the release of angiogenic factors and the subsequent neovascularization of the treated tissue.
This is a relatively new branch of medicine as there are studies involving shockwave therepy published since 2010.

Parallels are the acoustic energy is used in both applications, at some degree similar healing effects showing on treated tissues as well on tissue regeneration and healing premises shown in studies.
The difference being ESWT causing the highest degree of cellular microtrauma initially before inducing those wanted positive effects. The magnitude on healing can be higher as well because of the initial impact being greater.

Interestingly there are promising ongoing studies examining the traditional ultrasound as a low intensity ( LIPUS) application for an alternative to ESWT treatments.

Efficacy and safety of novel low-intensity pulsed ultrasound (LIPUS) in treating mild to moderate erectile dysfunction: a multicenter, randomized, double-blind, sham-controlled clinical study

Healthy tissue responds differently to any treatments than diseased or differently developed comparison.
I have not paid attention at all if there are studies involved of using ultrasound as such treatments.

That is more of a medical issue than physiotherapy analogue we are developing here.
If the area you are concerned is just under developed, not diseased, then these treatments surely could have some potential growth triggering responses on it.
Any medical conditions involved we should consult our doctors, not our fellow PE enthusiasts.

Like I previously already suggested in the first paragraph, yes. There are libraries full of examples. From those examples we have had the inspiration to modify the therapies into PE in the first place.
All the tissue elongation studies deal with tissues you mentioned, not any penises involved.

You have been heard. If there start to be some more interests , these studies could be concided to be managed with a small group.

What comes in to video presentations there already was a volunteer whom manage the application, but didn´t happen.
Someday there will be I am sure. It needs to be done in professional manner and at the moment I personally don´t have the time or the (video)tools to produce such a material.

I was wondering if I could use one of those anti cellulite heaters for women ?

Which technology you are referring?

Why not using something already proven in the way it has already been proven?