Gaining volume with Kyrpa

I have [this one]() the Moto Mini. I have no affiliation with them. Just what I got a deal on.

I use it directly in front of penis as close as it’ll get while Jelquing. I pulled cock to the right some because I curve to left and am trying to straighten it out and thought that might help heal any under lying scar tissue.

Here are specs from website.

Specifications
Size: 13” X 9” X 3”
LEDs: 60 x 5w
Wavelengths: Enhanced Spectral Energy Output™ : 50% Red (peak power 660nm) and 50% NIR (peak power 850nm)
Irradiance: >85mw/cm2 @ 6 inches
Switches: Dual switches, one each for 660nm (Red) and 850nm (NIR), allow for full customization of the session. Use Red only, NIR only or both at the same time!
Beam Angle: 60 degrees
Weight: 6 lbs
Lifespan: 50,000+ hours
Power Consumption: 140
Warranty: Full 2 year warranty
Compatible with all worldwide voltages.
Download the full user manual here

Nice! That looks like a good quality light! I have one of those cheap generic big red bulbs. The only advantage of this one I have is that it has its own standing frame which allows me to put it next to me in any position but I am sure yours is the real deal.

I use this one on sitting on a stool in front of me. Keep in mind, I’ve just learned about this via Kyrpa’s thread and have only used it this way twice. I actually bought it to use on my face while meditating hoping it would help with mood and concentration. The PE uses were just something I learned about after the fact.

Kyrpa, do you have any extending routine tips for someone that has very little time for PE and not much sleep? I can afford to wear my extender during the day but I can’t have a full manual routine, hang or anything similar. Would it be worth it to extend with portable heat or apply ultrasounds a few times a day ? Also, do you subscribe to the school of thought of it’s better to extend for longer periods with low force/stretch rather than shorter period with greater stretch ?

I admire your scientific approach to PE and would love to replicate that but for now extending is the only PE I can afford since I can go on with my day in the meantime.

Thanks

Hello,

And thanks ,though it may sound scientific, the more pragmatic applied science should overcome the clinical theory.

I rely on what science say about connective soft tissues , longer periods with low force provide more plastic deformation aka permanent elongation. Completely another thing is how we determine the long time or high loading values?

That said I would go with a combo because the higher loading, or lets say essential loading during the heating time can make the difference.

Using low force extending for a conditioning for the start, then add the heating element on and use the stress relaxation setup (fixed rods), with higher loading during the heat and finally keeping the thing cooling down in this maximal elongation.
So, one hour against springs with low force , half to one hour in fixed length with heat, tightening the rods every ten minutes , half an hour in the fixed length cooling down.

If you are familiar with the concept I am favoring, the same principles are independent of the equipment used.

Thanks Kyrpa, this makes much sense and is exactly what I was looking for. I appreciate you having taken the time to write that, this may make a tremendous difference in gain. I will begin trying that today.

One other thing, can I use the 2-3 hour cycle you mentioned above as often as I want during the day (up to 4-5 cycles) or should I let my unit heal for longer periods of time ?

Well I appreciate you asking the opinion.

If you are able to perform it effectively, meaning there is significant displacement, certain percentage of strain as a result of the set it is all you need for the day.

Most of the protocols used are totally concentrated on stressing the member.
Instead of what we should be doing is stretching it.

As far as it goes for evaluating the efficacy of the exercise all that matters is if there is strain or not.

The most common phrase I have read is that people are feeling the stretch. Are they? Or is it only stress.

Very insightful. Thinking back of all the PE I have done, I think I have been stressing my member since 2018 instead of stretching it most of the times.

Thanks again man.

Edit: Do you believe in the heal in an elongated state (ie: put an ADS for the day after the PE daily work is done ?

How much low energy you spend from half an hour to an hour and a half can be further clarified in this formulation

Well, surely you have been stretching it as well as far as I know about the techniques you have used.
But there have been many logs I have opened and my penis has started to ache reading for the first notes, and I have to shut the page down.

I really don´t like to say that I believe on anything but I don´t find it necessary during the protocols I use.

There is no healing if the penis in constant pull all day long. It is another exercise to me. Stressing the already stressed member again.

If we are talking about really healing possibilities then it should on coil or fixed length extender. Not in pulled state but relaxed well below the BPFSL or even BPEL length.
This form I am planning to use myself in some occasions. Possibly on the rest of the decon period.

I am not sure if I understand your question.

But if you are referring to the example I gave to GentleP and asking about loading forces? then I can only speak for myself.

For the starters if you have read my log you can find I have found the right amounts of load to use by testing.

1. For the first hour use the smallest load which gives you the maximal elongtion in that time. For me it is 2kg. Some other have managed to do it with 1 kg. It is individual .
2. For the heated part I did choose in halfway of the minimal load giving the bes elongation and the maximal I can bear for 30 minutes without any discomfort. For me 3,5kg for someone else something else.
3. For cooling down in fixed length the shaft can be loaded with the same as used in heated stretch. During the cool down the tension rises in the fixed length and in the best case it starts to relax at some point, If not then the tension can be discomforting towards the end.

Thank you ,

The plateau , in other terms the diminishing or completely stopping growth has stayed the biggest question mark on PE. There is no reasonable and conclusive solution available for out coming this.
Some have managed to continue gains in some degree after they have taken extended times off completely from the PE activities. For some even long absence have not offered any help.
Why the growth stops even for great gainers and never recover follows the same laws that regulate natural growth or the bodybuilders reaching the level no longer gaining muscle.

In PE discussion the reason for the diminishing gains have usually been pointed on incomplete collagen remodeling. If it were all about that every penisbuilder would be gaining like big-gainer newbie every time after taking 2 years off from PE.

It is easy to find out, it is not that simple, there is lot more into it.

I try to put it in short term, and I believe not having the ability to even describe all in details.

I have been lately mentioning to an exhaustion about mechanotransduction, mechanosensing and residual stress etc. The newest science has been trying to solve the mechanics of regulation of growth still not having the conclusive answers or accurate formulas.

The consensus is within the scientific field that the evidence is pointing for the cellular pressure having a major role on limiting the growth.
Naturally growing tissue, and more precisely any organ after reaching certain level of ECM pressure and there for the cellular pressure being transferred by the mechanotransduction will stop the growing.
At this pressure the organ then keep its form if there is no major external compounds affecting it.

Tissue extracellular matrix put under the stress, in our case stretching it, forms equal to the external forces internal stresses, which are transferred through the ECM complex to the fibroblasts. These force sensing cells start to signaling the growth responses leading in to easing the internal stresses by profileration and re-organizing the ECM .
The ECM trying to reach the homeostasis in to new stress level environment. To make it more complex the homeostasis is not only reached for the displacement, strained and elongated tissue but for the stressed tissue as well. If we keep exercising without gains the internal pressure still keeps on accumulating despite the gains being absent. The ECM adapting to the stress level.

This works both ways as with the external forces no longer present the ECM tries to find the homeostasis at the no- loaded state.
As a consequence of the abusive external stress or in best case residual strains, in other terms permanent lengthening, the unfortunate side product of the tissue growth is the residual stress on the ECM.
According some literature, despite the profileration and remodeling processes maturing the cellular and the structure settling for the new size, the cellular pressure seem to stay at the elevated level limiting further growth.

I previously presented one mathematical modeling based estimation of the accumulation of the residual stress and the powerlaw basis decay for it. It is a robust presentation of the importance of the decon breaks. If the model were to be realistic the residual cellular stress should take more than a decade to downgrade back to the starting level cellular pressure. Which was the time having 67% smaller unit almost two years ago.

Being accurate or not the model shows the ugly reality the more we gain and the longer periods we
exercise not having extended breaks, the more guaranteed it is that there are no future gains available.
If I were as educated on this subject as I am today I would have taken at least 3 months decon breaks after
every 60 to 70 days gaining periods I had.

Now the focus is on extinguish the on going fires. Something needs to be done for trying to “reset” the
ECM by somehow intervening the residual stress recuperation.

I have been thinking of ways to shake this homeostasis somehow and reboot the cellular stress.
There might be some chemicals available but I don´t want to take that route.

ESWT has been studied for the last two decades from different intruding angles on healing tendons and
ligaments.
LIPUS has been studied on healing soft tissue damages and since I already had two machines capable for
produce such a treatments I will take an advantage of it.
Since both of the methods are used for treating light to mediate erectile dysfunctions as well I don’t
hesitate to ulitize these treatments.

Using even the Light Energy Shock Wave Therapy (Li-ESWT ) it will cause microdamage on
cellular level. What is the cellular damage exactly remains unknown but the studies on ESWT indicate that
the level of damaged cells is proportional to the amount of shocks used per treatment. And there is always cells
destroyed. That we can call as a literal shock to the ECM. On the one hand but also an increased expression of
different growth factors associated with regeneration processes. There remains a balance between teh destructive and rebuilding processes.

So looking for the disorganizing collagen degradation causing tool for ‘rebooting’ the ECM you have it.
“ESWT treatment of healthy equine tendons would lead to adverse effects on tendon matrix in the short
term, indicated by histologically visible disorganisation and increased gene expression levels for the
proteolytic matrix metalloproteinases (MMPs) 3 and 13.”

”Repair promoting effects may take longer to occur and, therefore, it was also hypothesised that the total
collagen content and the expression of genes coding for the major ECM components collagen types 1 and 3
(COL1 and COL3), as well as the gene expression for MMP14, a mediator of collagen remodelling, would be
higher 6 weeks after treatment.”

https://beva.on linelibrary.wil … -weYIC2374FV3Ep

Light Intensity Pulsed ultrasound (LIPUS) has been found to promote cell motility through cell to
ECM adhesion which to me signals for the possible release on cellular pressure.
Though the studies are in -vitro studies and the academic level of these is astronomical, but if there is a
chance and I will take it.

Now completely another thing is the ED aspect both of these treatment forms provide, both are found to
be promoting for example angiogenesis, neo-vascularization, NO-production, Nos -pathways etc.
Interestingly in animal models LIPUS has been found to enhance smooth-muscle to collagen ratio and
elastin content on cavernous tissue as well.

The evidence found from the several studies with ESWT telling me to use the most effective way on treating ED with as less shocks as possible will be the principle. Using less shocks with higher energy pulses at the start and soon after decreasing the shock energy to the ED therapy level .
For using the LIPUS in conjunction I can keep the ESWT use in minimum and using the LIPUS known for minimal adverse effects in greater volume.

For setting the "new standard" for ECM residual stresses fixed length extender is used for keeping the unit near the BPFSL dimension without tension during and after treatments.

Krypa thank you so much for the goldmine of continuing education :) Do I have it right that these practices are promising and even proven for increasing length but that girth remains a somewhat different challenge?

I believe there is no difference between the mechanics of longitudinal or circumferencial growth of the tunica.
The tools are just incomplete at the moment for the girth gains to be equally great as the length has already shown.

We are getting there.