Gains Campaign Post 2 Year Decon

Way TL;DR: just read the bolded text.

The Prelude/Mindset
Hi all, I’ve made this thread to record my next ‘macrocycle’ of PE. My intention, as always, is to provide clear outlines of my thought process and research. My goals include providing as accurate information as possible, or at least collect some of my takes on the vast contributions of the PE community at large into this thread in order to potentially organize and add to the broscience of PE. Thanks to the influence of CBateman, editing the first post of progress threads is allowed indefinitely - so I’ll be returning here later to summarize, include further thoughts, and cite.

I come at this from a rather holistic approach, especially in regards to health. Mind arises with the body, one cannot exist without the other. Our penises do not dictate our value as lovers, as people. I encourage you to reflect on your reasons for being here. The Blue Chair, here on Thunder’s, has some absolute phallic poetry to think on.

Since my initial log, I’ve managed to clock and mitigate some less than healthy motivations - however, I do believe merely by practicing PE I am victim to some kind of mental malady. On the surface, I’ve got a thing for massive cocks. Deeper psychological hangups elude me, but I’ll keep an eye out.

Sexual meditation (well, meditation in general, too). Holding your lover close and elevating one another to heights that surprise you both over the course of an hour, two, three or more… I have a tough time thinking about much else.

Anyway, what do I mean about holistic PE, practically? When it comes to the science, I feel blessed to be in a time where there are meaningful connections between verifiable data and PE. I try to defer to what is tested in and outside this space which can feel rather untethered from most of normalcy. As far as penis health in general goes: I’ll start talking about kegels, then reverse kegels, then ballooning, and quickly turn into some kind of penis wizard conspiracy theorist. Seriously though, the mind is a powerful thing operationalized through our body - you’re just a bit of practice away from penis wizardry. Having better EQ, becoming multi orgasmic, hours long love sessions, directional kegels, penile bodybuilding, and more are not only achievable; there’s multiple guides on this very site! You’ll probably find these ideas infused throughout my posts and threads.

The Review
Ok, personal stuff aside, let’s talk about how I’ll be stretching my penis. If you’ve seen me anywhere on the site you’ve probably discovered I’m a Kyrpa fan boy; that is to say I’ll be focused on maximal heating and strain with minimal loads over short gains cycles with a healthy dose of extended deconditioning periods.

With the help of my log here at Thunders, and my more granular excel sheet of individual sessions, I have plenty to refresh and reflect on from my previous campaign around 2021. It is vital to log your sessions, I didn’t even know how valuable these records were until I came back.

The overall timeline and some analysis:
Something that I realized at the end of my last log was that newbie gains halted after 4 months, with a majority happening within the first 2.
-The first ‘Kyrpa’ cycle (timing and focus on heat only, no hanger or US) yielded exactly 30 days of gains in BPFSL, with BPEL gains stalling completely about 2 months later (with a minimal ‘decon’ within these 3 months).
-A very short (~30 day) decon before an attempt at a full on Kyrpa cycle that lasted 60 days - no gains.
-Misguided ‘girth cycle’ that lasted nearly 7 months and yielded nearly missed injuries and no gains.
-A 3 month decon into another proper 45 day Kyrpa cycle - met with a litany of injury scares, lymph buildup, inconsistent technique, US pinching, and no gains.
It was at this point that I finally decided to take ‘decon’ for what it was meant to be: PE abstinence for a minimum of 7-12 months.

What is indicated to me by this?
1) Gains occurred almost exclusively in the newbie phase, which elapsed over about the first 7 months.
2) ‘Decons’ lasting 3 months or less seem to be ineffectual.

Less conducive to the data I’ve collected on myself:
3) I’m not very good at vac hanging.
4) Girth gains might be a totally different beast.

So, here I am after 2 years off PE. Take my experience and learn from it, as I am trying to myself. I made ~70% of my gains in the first 4 months, the remaining 30% in the next 3, then spent the following year+ attempting add gains with increasingly risky maneuvers - to no avail. 640 days of PE, of which >400 were at best learning experiences and at worst flat dangerous. Don’t go chasing the gains fairy, she comes when she comes.

Within a gains campaign:
My best sessions and best (near only) gains occurred while doing strictly manuals, under submerged (bath/shower) or conductive pad heating modalities. I do not know if this is simply because vac hangers and US devices come with a steeper learning curve, or the tissues were highly conditioned by the time I had access to these tools, or some other variety of reasons; but this makes me wonder what my plan this cycle should be.

I do know that (manuals in general, but specifically) cyclic stretches, and the reasoning behind them, are perfectly tactile. You can feel your member eventually give in to gentle loading, then pull back, then release again over the course of a minute or two - just as the theory suggests. Reread: gentle. Far less than 10 kg. Vac hanging provides consistency in load, while manuals provide consistency in feeling. Not equal, by any stretch (heh), but is this a ‘close enough’ for something that may be a small piece of the gains pie?

Additionally, many users including myself report gains in the newbie period. ‘Newbie’ being the operative word, one does not take a very measured approach at this point. Manuals and jelqing, sometimes decent heating - broadly, the KISS method offered by vets and the PE basics forum. I’d be willing to bet most users appear on the scene, learn the basics, apply them with some success, then take their modest gains (or illusions thereof) and newfound confidence to the bank.

Those who make accounts offer that, what, 80% of us successfully gaining length? Does this indicate that the most important aspect of a successful PE career is unconditioned tissues? Perhaps generally pliable collagen? Not the loading, pre and post workout rituals, attachments, schedules, supplements, etc. that we seem to obsess over? These are beginning to feel more like superstitions than anything. Ideally some kind of data may come from my upcoming campaign.

From my excel log, my best recorded gains cycle included 3 sessions in 5 days, or about 4.2 per week.

The Methodology
The Context, Compulsions:
What are we doing? Stretching our dicks. This precedes anything else in terms of decision making. Measuring is the lighthouse on big dick island. Measuring should be a humbling experience, not an ego trip. We want to see the number change exactly because our dicks are getting longer, not because we are getting better at making it appear so.

Go test it out. See how much you can push your dick out, then see how far you can pull it back with nothing other than your hips. I found I can easily manipulate the measurement by 3.8cm/1.5 inches! Take this into account, measure standing against a wall or laying on a bed or however else you can find to lock your pelvis and head into the same place.

We only get one of these things and we care a lot about it. Move accordingly.

On Why within the given Context, the Foundation of Moving Forward:
The crux of my theory of gains revolves around the newbie phenomenon: anyone who is dedicated enough to sit down and pull their dick equipped with only trust and the newbie routine just make gains! Newbies just make gains (usually). Almost every optimization is comparatively optional, essentially down to preference. Heat is the exception, capable of improving any given length gains by a sizeable fraction - including as much as you can manage is a huge buff to any gains.

We seem to have settled on the more effective optimizations and practices for normalizing experience:
Loading styles
Schedule
PIs
Much much more…
But, to me these are tertiary concerns.

On Collagen Remodeling, Decons, and the Newbie Phase:
Thanks to many of the scholarly types around the site, we’ve heard some promising theories around why this may be: penis anatomy and the building blocks of the tunica. This provides us with a direction around collagen, we want to employ the maximal strain with the minimal stress to permanently lengthen the collagen matrix that forms the tunica - in other words: gentle weights with as much heat as you can scrape together in order to stretch without toughening. We want to heed the behavior and features of the structure of the penis.

The collagen realization gives us another wonderful dimension: remodeling. Over time (years at minimum and a decade or more ideally) the collagen matrix begins to rebuild itself in its new, lengthened position. This is not perfect - we can’t return to 100% newbie. This gives a justification to my theory here and forms the how - to emulate the newbie experience, you must take enough time off to remodel the tissues.

These previous notions together form a theory that accounts for most of the main observations made on the site. Untrained dicks make good gains, heat just helps. The phenomenon of vets returning to easy gains after years long hiatus, the general logarithmic gains curve… just trying to justify this to myself now.

Based on my personal experience and informed by various discussions had on the site, I cannot justify a total gains campaign of longer than 4-6 months. After which 2 years off. Depending on this campaign, a proper decon may need to be >2 years. One single, lengthy gains cycle followed by a very extended decon - should this next campaign be anything better than a total failure, this is likely how I will continue. (Probably shoulda listened to Titleist nearly 4 years ago…)

My personal rules of thumb: be very suspicious after month 3, when pre and post session BPFSL begin to close in on one another, or when BPFSL or BPEL repeat itself on the week.

On heat:
We are attempting to reach the ‘therapeutic’ heat range. 40-43C yields a sizable increase in plastic (permanent) deformation, increasing with further temperature increases. 43C is the upper limit due to protein denaturing, some very negative effects begin at around ~30 minutes (if I recall properly) in combination with the <60min max workout length and <30min US exposure recommendation leaves us with this maximal temp.

Ultrasound seems to be the behemoth of heat these days (aside from RF, but I don’t have that kind of money), with mountains of therapeutic evidence supplemented by our brave members’ members verifying for our specific applications. I continue to fight with this method, being unverified for gains in my single experience within my imperfect applications and conditions. US regularly achieved >40C in under 10 minutes.

As far as details go for the US, I’ll leave that to the mountain range of threads developed on these ideas (and go reread many of them myself).

MIR/FIR seems like the only potential alternative while a weak alternative at that, while being hands free.

Nuts and Bolts, the tertiary concerns:
From my excel log, my best recorded gains cycle included 3 sessions in 5 days, or about 4.2 per week. I will likely follow the general PI guidelines for adding rest days, otherwise aiming to repeat this kind of structure within the gains cycle.

I’ll continue to follow something akin to or at least inspired by Kyrpa’s loading methods: conditioning pre stretch, followed by a heated stretch to achieve collagen remodeling if at all possible, followed by a slightly higher load during a cooling down stretch, all of which takes place within the hour. Likely doing some ballooning variation and erect s2s etc once cooldown is complete, since (ideally) I won’t be abstinent during the cycle I’ll consider this non-sex active recovery.

Once length gains have decidedly waned, I may add light squashes, and mild bends for a brief period (in lieu of pumping, for now). After no more than 30 days of this, I will return to my dormancy - taking a year or more off, while still (hopefully) kegeling on a regular basis.

The Conundrum(s)
I spent a lot of thought to even get to these questions, if you find yourself compelled to contribute I thank you.

Does the newbie gains phenomenon of very suboptimal routines that regularly yield plentiful gains suggest that the most important aspect of a successful PE career is unconditioned tissues? Is the deconditioning break the greatest hope at long term (multiple ‘newbie’ phases) gains?

What loading method to use? Like mentioned, manuals yielded the only results in my career, but I did not even attempt vac hanging until almost a year into PE.

What heating method to use? US has a steep learning curve coupled with some disconcerting pinching sensations, along with suboptimal equipment readily available. I’m considering doing US in the bathtub, or maybe constructing a standoff. I’ve also been looking for a decent machine with totally waterproof soundheads - if anyone happens to know of one available without prescription I’d greatly appreciate it.

Alternatively, MIR/FIR seems at least as effective as a CVS conductive heating pad - I’ve considered TDP and other, more focused wavelength lamps. Using an IR lamp would also afford me total freedom for both hands, as well as having, potentially, more effective heating for potential girth sessions. If anyone has good readings on IR theory around here I’d be very appreciative if you were to share it here.

Has anyone tried Bryan Johnson’s kegel seat? Seems like a shoo in for the equipment used around here.

Thank you all, once again. Quite a bunch of obsessives - I appreciate each of you for it.

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Going internet spelunking today. Trying to find a decent IR solution as the general object of study. Lamps, heaters, and pads are the starting point - trying to learn just enough to make a decision that is more informed than completely guessing. Kind of stream of consciousness, taking notes so I need not repeat this searching.

Lamps: Aiming for high irradiance, >100mW/cm^2. Irradiance is measured through E = P/A, or Power/Area. We must consider the angle of diffusion and the total distance when calculating this as well.

Broadly looking for either 850nm LED lamps or NIR incandescent/halogen/other bulbs based on the "NIR is better than US" thread linked later and Tutt’s suggestion. The LED purports to deliver the wavelength intended, without generating a majority of irradiance through visible light or longer wavelength IR or heat, thereby preventing surface heating rather than potentially deeper tissue heating.

I think I’ll have to stick to LEDs for more accuracy despite the incandescents advertising >500mW/cm^2 or even ~1400mW/cm^2 - probably a recipe for burning skin before therapeutic heating. Further searching reveals that these incandescent bulbs can also produce UV bands, and are also used for reptile and food service applications. Good to know. Non-LED lights seem to also run into issues related to high inefficiency, which makes sense given part of the praise of LEDs. Even further research revealed that incandescent bulbs are more or less a crapshoot of random energy. Terribly inefficient and terribly unspecific. Stay away.

850nm LED lamps it is. IR security camera lamps, truck IR lights (for hunting?), LED array bulbs, individual diodes, and more. Noting that LED bulbs seem to be limited by the fixture output. 60W is a standard maximum for a bulb fixture, so I may be running two or three ~60W 850 LED array bulbs. Luckily, 850nm pre assembled bulbs are not hard to find - just takes some specific googling and sifting through amazon a little bit.

Beginning to close in on an IR method. Two 60W 850nm LED bulbs, potentially with some additional longer wavelength lamp? TDP or maybe a more narrow >1000nm band? Unsure for now. (I was just talking about incandescents being a crapshoot and not worth my time. TDP provides a random assortment of 2000nm-25000nm.) Will be going for a 1100nm LED secondary if anything at all.

Things are a-changin’. Finally nailed down some descriptions that yield interesting results: NIR/IR-A, SWIR/IR-B, MWIR/IR-C, and FIR. Mid infrared is further split into "short wave" (1400-3000nm) and "mid wave"(3000nm-8000nm) infrared. This seems to be the way the individual diodes are sold and named. Gathering at this point that anything wavelength larger than 1400nm seems to include a very high water absorption coefficient. The "Why Near Infrared is better than FIR and US" thread has graphs that do well to establish the absorbance relations. Be aware that the scales are log.

It appears that I am reaching the same conclusions I did the last time I attempted to find an effective IR method: 800-1100nm is theoretically the sweet spot. Except this time I’ve found some ways of getting these wavelengths without soldering my own heating pad together: LEDs.

Effilux and CCS Inc. seem to have IR led bars, circle lights, and multiple other flavors of pre assembled LED arrays. Thorlabs, Tech-led/Marubeni, and Infrared-led/DOWA seem to have some pre assembled LEDs as well, but quickly approaching the realm of literally just a bag of diodes. Need to concern self with whether these diodes are lasers (collimated/coherent) beams or not. Could go blind if I’m not careful.

Chasing Tech-led/Marubeni and Infrared-led/DOWA down left me realizing these are bag of diodes type places. Thorlabs is close, but doesn’t seem to have 1100nm prefab LED arrays.

Chasing Effilux and CCS Inc. down the rabbit hole left me realizing that CCS sells Effilux products (as well as their own, more labor intensive setup products). Diving deeper into the Effilux LED bar product suite, there appears to be multiple options for 940nm (semi-custom order required) for the small and mini LED bar. The EffiFLEX seems to come with options including 1050nm - but, cost upwards of $1,000 per. Well, that’s another dead end.

Learned a lot through this chasing, mostly that 850nm LED bulbs seem to be the place to be for maximum heating and minimal headache for an IR lamp. Maybe someone later on will find or develop a ~1000nm LED array for LLLT, Photobiomodulation, red light therapies and make another quick buck off this dead horse.

IR Pads: There seems to be a few major products for delivering IR in a pad fashion: LEDs, Carbon Fiber, and Ceramic Emitters (as well as semi precious stone "Infused").

Seems to be that Ceramic heaters are effective for FIR emissions and Carbon are suited for MIR+FIR - however, both are similar to non-LED lamps: they produce a crapshoot of wavelengths.

Important note: the beloved Thermedic heating pads have carbon fiber heating elements called "Cabric". So, you can just find a generic carbon fiber heating pad and get approximately the same effect. I may be getting a generic of these as a ‘backing’ for the LED array bulb.

I was curious about Thermotex heating pads, which are similar to Thermedic and also >$200, apparently the main ‘patented’ feature of this heating pad is the multiple layers that separate the highly heated carbon fiber including a ‘radiation permeable envelope’ that keeps the outside fabric ‘no greater than about 54 degrees Celsius’. Seems to me this is done in an effort to maximize the heat of the actual carbon element to improve IR emission.

It also just occurred to me that the standard heating element of any given generic heat pad is just that… carbon fiber. There are alternatives, like some resistive wiring, which are much cheaper and widespread, but one should not be paying hundreds of dollars for a heating pad you can get meters of the stuff on aliexpress for $20.

Alright, I’ve spent all day on this research (and post) and I’m just about satisfied with my knowledge of IR heating modalities up to this point.

Summary:
850nm LED Bulbs are the most available, biggest bang for your buck, easiest to set up, and most precise IR emitters that exist right now. 60W bulbs are the max due to the standard bulb fixtures, and be aware of irradiance levels - we are aiming for >100mW/cm^2 at the therapeutic distance. More specific wavelengths, LEDs, were chosen over alternative IR bulbs due to the deep heating vs surface heating constraint: we can’t heat deep tissues if we are burning our skin to get close enough and we simply don’t know what wavelengths come out of a halogen or incandescent bulb easily. NIR (~700-1400nm) is preferable due to being below the order of magnitude higher water absorbance peak around 1400nm and thereby provide the most heating for the ~1.5cm depth range. Still not US, but hands free (there are hands free US options, but this entire IR setup; bulbs, heat pad, and floor lamp; combined is still less than 1/10th the price of it).

Heating pads are generally a much lower accuracy tool. We can achieve some general IR band stuff with them, but the range is "yep that’s IR". For me, they will likely amount to a ball protector and backup secondary just in case kind of position in my heating process.

I really want to believe IR works a sizable fraction as well as US does, I am unconvinced that infrared heating pads are or ever were an effective means of delivering. All due respect to the FIR pad pioneers, of course. If I can toss $150 into the sea of consumerism to provide some semblance of evidence for or against this heating mode I’ll consider it a win.

Interesting, and thanks!

I use either a flexible IR LED pad or a 54W screw-in LED bulb. Both are approximately half 660nm, half 850nm LEDs.

A few years ago I looked up the IR transmissivity of clear plastics. There are several kinds used for pump tubes. All of them passed over 90% for 660 and 850nm, so I pump in my tube, for minimum density and maximum surface area. Both the lamp and pad are in direct contact with the tube.

I have bags of LEDs and a tube in my "round tuit" pile. The plan is to make some small holders for the LEDs to attach them to the tube, dip it in liquid acrylic to seal it all up so it can be washed, and wrap it with a conventional heating pad when in use. Like too many other things, it’s waiting for me to get around to it.

If you decide to try that for yourself, it would be a good idea to add a thermocouple. The LEDs do make some heat - both the pad and bulb get noticeably warm in operation.

Realized that there may be more hope for the IR path than before. I recall a post where someone was considering the amount of energy (and thereby heat) that was produced by each (US and IR) heating method and essentially wrote that:

US has a highest safe energy output of 2W/cm^2 for a single transducer head, which translated to Joules gives us 2J/(s*cm^2).

IR LED bulbs (18*3W LEDs) can generally only be found to have energy outputs on the scale of ~100mW/cm^2 at 6 inches, or 0.1W/cm^2 and 0.1J/(s*cm^2).

On the face of it, seems like a hopelessly losing battle. US all the way. Then, I realized that 2W/cm^2 is not over the entire shaft area at once! Recommendations for ‘therapeutic area’ is no more than 5 transducer heads, but I figure many of us will not be needing/wanting that kind of area. Minimum, we will not be leaving the transducer in one place, so I’ll call it 2 transducer heads worth of area.

Given this, the actual energy output for the US must consider the movement of the transducer across the shaft, so the average maximum is somewhere between 1W/cm^2 and 0.4W/cm^2 - likely still very close to 1W/cm^2.

So, IR may be able to actually approach the same order of magnitude in terms of energy output. By their delivery method, we get more or less even irradiance - no moving a transducer. Getting physically closer to the LED bulbs, say 3 rather than 6 inches, can bump our irradiance up to ~0.12W/cm^2. Two bulbs can double it to ~0.24W/cm^2 and three can do ~0.36W/cm^2.

So, maybe IR bulbs/LED arrays aren’t hopeless. With a decently large setup we can almost achieve the minimum Joules/second produced by a single 2W/cm^2 US transducer while also being totally hands free OR an order of magnitude cheaper than the equivalently hands free US setup (which would also lend itself to less user error and higher average energy).

For me, hands free, no worry of pinches (or worse), and a fraction of the cost of application in exchange for 1/5th the output is a decent trade off. Plus, to be totally honest, if I need to get my hands on some medical grade equipment and who knows what other esoteric substances and practices just to get another cm I’ll take my gains and just run for the hills - I’ve got other things I want to do with my life :idiot:

To be totally clear, this is a rationalization to an obviously less effective method that makes a major tradeoff: hands free heat for a much lower price. If you’re going for the optimal and money/time is little object to you: go for radio waves, probably. If money becomes an impediment only beyond $2000, go for the Autosound hands free US applicator with a compatible device.

Glad you liked it Andy, if I had to bet I figure we got the same bulb!

Good to hear you go for very small distances with the IR LEDs. Could you speak on your subjective experience with the heating feeling? Happen to know of urethra temps done with IR sources other than the one with the Thermedic heat pad?

Ah the ever growing tuit pile. This is exactly why I left the bulk LEDs out of consideration!

Manuals only. Cyclic stretching (30s on 10s off) and jelqing.
2*54W LED array bulbs, 1:3 660:850nm, 9*660nm and 27*850nm total.
2 or 3 days on, 1 day off. Aiming for ~4.2/week, PI breaks notwithstanding.
Preheating: heat pad or space heater and IR for 5min.
Starting with 2min of stretching and 5min of jelqing. Adding 30s of each per week a la the linear newbie routine. This will also afford my upcoming busy schedule.

This is a game of months inside years and only occasionally weeks inside months, never days within weeks.

Ideally, I will see 1mm/week or ~0.042in/week. Will likely measure about once a month for sanity. Using a uniform measuring method: standing against a wall, looking straight down, ruler in same place.

The point of taking 2 years off is to be as close to newbie gainer status as possible. It is very easy for me to forget that it seems. Plenty of mental gymnastics and chasing the optimizations as the entire solution led me into a place of overexertion and halted gains. The basics have worked for decades just on Thunder's, let alone at large. Pull it, Jelq it, HEAT the fuck out of it, listen to your body - gains come when they come. US and stress relaxation are wonderful optimizations, but I feel the gold must be in the collagen reformation - we have a coarse idea of WHEN (and perhaps even why) the gains come.

To this end, I took 2 years off. I will not squander this effort and I will control myself for another measly few months to verify. MINIMAL and linear routine, slowly increasing stress/time. Focus on heat and managing total stress. I have 2 months to really determine if this is working or not, and ideally 4-6 months total. I must move like this is the case.

I wrote the previous post before this one, but after the first workout back.

I feel went overkill. I wanted to test the IR bulbs, 23 minutes of total session - most of which was done with a holding stretch. The PIs afterward, turtling and receding flaccid, led me to remember what I am here for. Returning to the easy gains of the newbie period. While quite frustrated with myself, I remembered that this is an effort of months so hope is not lost; if I catch myself early it is better than never at all. This set the tone for the previous post, remembering what I already knew about this process and fighting against my addictive habits for wanting more. The next workout will be the significantly shorter version with some warmup.

On the IR bulb:
The half 660/850nm bulb felt much warmer than the full 850nm on the surface, this was to be expected. Over the course of the workout I got braver and closer to the bulbs. By the end of the workout I was as close as I physically could be to both of them without impeding my hands. I will be using a space heater or heating pad in addition to these bulbs moving forward, a little more couldn’t be worse.

It’s an interesting experience intentionally returning to the newbie workload, knowing I have been/am what could be considered a somewhat advanced PEer in terms of experience while also experimenting with a protocol designed to make me much more sensitive. Definitely a double edged sword.

It feels slightly warm, is all.

Always knew, in the back of my head, the importance of measuring protocols. Left it alone mostly for a long time, my original progress report involved a discovery of the importance of a ruler.

Tested it out today - how much I could manipulate the measurement if I tried. Over an inch in difference. Standing free, squeezing my butt and tilting my hips up yielded a measurement of ~19.7cm/7.75in! Relaxing and tilting my hips down left a measurement of about ~16cm/6.3in! Both being about 9/10 EQ.

Legitimately wondering if I’ve tricked myself completely and never had any gains in the first place.

Regardless, I’ve adopted a standardized measuring protocol I believe I got from UCBCN, here: UCBCN - UCBCN’s Log

Just updated the initial post to reflect my thoughts at this point. Very much enjoying this new feature, keeps the thread from getting dated even to me.

Anyway, reorganized my thoughts a little. Rerealized the context of PE as well as the varying timescales and effectiveness of various considerations within PE.

Collagen Remodeling >> Heat > basically everything else

However, only so much can be done about the remodeling during an actual gains campaign. Since I’ve settled on >2 year decons as the way for now, I have to make the most of these next few months. The focus now changes.

Revisiting heat again.

Further research into IR, and electromagnetic heating in general. Realized I am being too restrictive when pledging to IR. Any kind of penetrating light with enough energy can produce heat internally - this is exactly why radio waves have been discussed.

Also, realized a funny mistake in the IR research post: incandescent literally means ‘producing light by heating’. So, just about any filament bulb is an incandescent.

Still somewhat annoyed with the ‘Senior Member’ requirement.

I have been using a NIR + RED for 30 min / 5 times a week / for over a year. No issue at all with anything. Here are the tech specs on that pad. I place it either directly or 1/4 inch away from skin.

300 x Infrared 850 nm lights + 150 x 660 nm lights for a total of 450 light chips.

From everything I have read and felt. There is a good youtube video on PE that talks about a veteran saying he doesn’t know if you will gain from heat, but he is sure that time is reduced for a workout with it. Also, the benefit of healing is what is the tipping point that any regular heat pad would do. Also, this helps with any PE exercise you do. I think there is enough evidence from just the medical community in general on Red light that it is worth seeing if it is for you.

Thanks, do you use it as part of PE or for general health?

At the moment I’ve found that IR is an option. Ideally, better than standard conductive heating and likely worse than US for deeper tissues - which is my goal. I figure a shorter workout is generally good, same result in less time could mean more workouts more gains. Do you have a name for the channel?

Went out to begin research for electromagnetic heating methods in general… quickly found the notion of black body radiation. Some very interesting ideas coming from this. Vaguely aware of things like quartz halogen lamps, short wave heaters, tungsten halogen lamps, neodymium glass lamps… very excited. Will likely have a larger post upcoming.