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Monday morning status, pre any work:
BPFL: 6” on the button
BPFSL: 7 1/4”
Flaccid Girth: 5”
Both the flaccid hang and stretched length are improvements from baseline a few months ago (5.5” and 7”). The girth was about the same, at least flaccid. The stretched length is the most encouraging I think.
I have experimented with peptides and hormones for MANY years, and with the help of my doctor. I would personally prefer DES for PE work given its makeup vs LR3. I have used IGF-DES in conjunction with BPC and TB500 for a PE routine. I can certainly vouch for the healing benefits of BPC and TB both as stand alone peptides and in conjunction with the Des. As for the IGF DES, I am not sure at this moment what role it played in my last routine as I have been at plateau for a little while and did not make significant gains last time. Still though I feel it shows more promise for gains than LR3.
I will most likely go back to using IGF DES midway through my current routine to see what can be done.SIDE NOTE:
There is a lot of talk of the quality and validity if Peptides - especially the IGF’s. There are a couple of companies out there that specialize in testing and they will test your stuff for you for a fee.
What were your PE results while using BPC and Tb?
Igigi:Thank you. I read about your thinking on PGE-1 as well. I think we have a couple different basic paths mapped out to consider, first being the study I think I attached before, but do again, the second being the protocol the Toronto doctor has attempted to patent through the years: Analytics for US Patent No. 7671091, Penis enlargement
Some of the size changes touted in the linked patent material verge on the unbelievable (3-plus inch gains), but it is an interesting read. He advocates some sort of other compounds (I think he calls them "activators") to further the effect (not PRP that I can gather in his descriptions), with relaxin being one (not easily available). You can read that (assuming the link comes up). Instinctively, it does seem as though some sort of peptide or other compound to activate Hgh or healing properties (or both) would also make sense.
As I think I said, a doctor on the West Coast is teaming with Runnels for some sort of study, more akin to the Chinese one, and I am pretty sure has to involve the "P-Shot." The study materials lack detail on how and when the PGE-1 was used, but I had wondered for some time why PGE-1 or similar compound wasn’t used at the same time to help the PRP "matrix" form better and to say in the penis longer post-injection. So, we are using a small amount of PGE-1 in each PRP syringe. I still do the post-injection pump, but very gingerly as the PGE-1 acts pretty quickly and I do not think one wants to pump very hard with that rigidity. It makes for an interesting departure from the clinic, past the nurses, etc….
The Toronto protocol has been followed somewhat by others here, but I cannot recall the one gentleman’s name who posted extensively. Apparently, that protocol calls for PGE-1 4 times per week, I assume rotating on an every other day basis. My concern on an every day injection (and even every other day, we’ll see) it that this is a lot of needles into the CC. I do use the very fine gauge insulin syringes, and understand proper methods. But I am still concerned about the cumulative impact. What I do intend to do is to try to go with the every other day injections for at least a few weeks post-PRP. I suspect I may not be bale to hit this exactly, because the world is starting to open again and I suspect I will be doing some traveling.
But…I agree with you that it just seems there’s a path here, and combining the PRP with the PGE-1 only makes sense. Wednesday (3 days ago) was shot number 2.
I’ll keep updating periodically. I welcome your input too.
Very glad to see this new post. Hope all goes well. Do you know if this Dr. Is seeing patients to perform this?
Mid-A:
The doctor that pursued this is Kenneth Adams in Toronto. I have no idea whether he still offers this protocol, but a web search indicates he still practiced in Toronto. I have had zero contact with him.
Per the protocol, yesterday was the trimix day. Today, I have used heated low pressure pump, 2” cylinder then 2.25 inch cylinder. Then immediately into Size Doctor.
After an hour (I remove every hour and replace, for a total of three hours usually) I measured while in the device. I had a baseline measure of 7.5” in March. Today it showed at 7 3/4”. I took a cm measure as well and it was between 19 and 20 cm, so same ball park. I need to get a clear measuring ruler to be more accurate and so I can better photo-document.
In any event, today, post trimix day, continues to show apparent gains, consistent with yesterday’s pre-trimix measurements that were just “hand held” flaccid measurements.
Hi NYTX, let me ask you a few questions.
From watching this video:
Is this what your doctor is doing?
I am going to be doing this on myself, I have blood collection vacuum tubes with sodium citrate, a centrifuge and blood collection needles on the way.
I know you think PGE-1 is needed, though to be honest I have my doubts if pumping anyway (plus ADS).
I would note you could consider having Vitamin D3 added to the shot to see if that helps, see this study:
https://www.res earchgate.net/p … ith_Vitamin_D_3
If injected into the penis just a few thousand IU of Vit D3 plus K2 might do the trick to increase growth.
From having it done so many times, if doing it on yourself what would you do, would to numb the penis before the injections for instance?
Hi NYTX, let me ask you a few questions.From watching this video:
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It is clear to me great results come from drawing a large amount of blood (60ml) and centrifuging it twice and injecting "just the gold" of extremely platelet rich plasma.Is this what your doctor is doing?
I am going to be doing this on myself, I have blood collection vacuum tubes with sodium citrate, a centrifuge and blood collection needles on the way.
I know you think PGE-1 is needed, though to be honest I have my doubts if pumping anyway (plus ADS).I would note you could consider having Vitamin D3 added to the shot to see if that helps, see this study:
https://www.res earchgate.net/p … ith_Vitamin_D_3If injected into the penis just a few thousand IU of Vit D3 plus K2 might do the trick to increase growth.
From having it done so many times, if doing it on yourself what would you do, would to numb the penis before the injections for instance?
Hello "P":
I hope you have medical training to fully understand and carry out the home version of the PRP process. I know that injection skill is key, and my Doc does very well. I had used others in the past who caused horrible bruising, etc. A steady hand is, to say the least, important, and I cannot see how one could self-administer with a steady hand, not to mention angles, etc. And, the proper blood centrifuge is, I am sure, key. I can only suggest proceeding with utmost caution.
On the D3, I will read a bit more, but note they do not suggest direct injections. I think Vitamin D is an oily vitamin? I would be cautious about adding any oily substance to the penis directly, or anywhere into the blood stream for that matter. I think oily substances can cause an embolism. Not good for anyone.
Another aspect that concerns me is the mention of kidney damage for ultra-high D3 dosage. Yes, they say avoid calcium supplements, but I wonder if that’s enough. I had never heard of this study before, and it seems a bit cursory? But, with what I am doing already, I would consider oral supplements, sure. Just need to make sure one doesn’t end up on dialysis!
Pretty sure if you loo into it you will find 50,000IU to be safe provided you manage magnesium (take it) and Calcium (avoid it) for at least a year or so depending on your current vit D levels.
Apparently it is healthier to take it slowly for longevity, but I don’t think a short burst of 50,000IU should be an issue for the liver, or really anything.
In Germany they give infants a routine million IU dose, think how small an infant is.
Not saying there aren’t risks, it should be done with care.
~1997 age 18 I was 4.7" BPEL and somehow grew either because I wasn't done growing and or some PE work to a bit under 6 inches without measuring or noticing progress at the time. Girth has always been about 6 inches but is slowly getting larger 6.2" at widest
Current BPEL after a little work is 6.2" also, Bone pressed stretched flaccid 6.5" Will update with gains.
According to the Mayo Clinic and Harvard Medical School the recommended daily amount of D3 is 800 i.u. and more than 4,000 i.u. per day can be harmful.
Other medical articles discuss 50,000iu dosage for treating severe vitamin D deficiency.
I strongly suspect that if an infant was given a dosage of 1,000,000 iu it was as a treatment, not as a normal supplement.
Taking too much vitamin D can cloud its benefits and create health risks - Harvard Health
Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG
Current: 7-7/8” BPEL; 7-3/8” NBPEL; 8.5” BPFSL; 6.5” MEG; 6”x5” Flaccid.
Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.
Pretty sure the 1Million IU of D3 was a routine one off dose for newborns and not a treatment for a disease.
~1997 age 18 I was 4.7" BPEL and somehow grew either because I wasn't done growing and or some PE work to a bit under 6 inches without measuring or noticing progress at the time. Girth has always been about 6 inches but is slowly getting larger 6.2" at widest
Current BPEL after a little work is 6.2" also, Bone pressed stretched flaccid 6.5" Will update with gains.
This article from WHO reports dosage of D3 for infants is 5 to 10 mcg/d. Ten mcg converts to 400 iu.
I could find no evidence anywhere of a dosage of 1,000,000 iu which supports my initial position that if it was in fact given to an infant it was as a treatment for a specific issue. And an uncommon one.
If you have a link to your source of information please post it.
Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG
Current: 7-7/8” BPEL; 7-3/8” NBPEL; 8.5” BPFSL; 6.5” MEG; 6”x5” Flaccid.
Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.
Good point about the oil, of course it could be emulsified first and then shouldn’t be an issue.
Or, you might be able to obtain the these variations (there might be newer versions, this was from 2013:
“Currently, there are three commonly prescribed intravenous (IV) vitamin D therapies: calcitriol (1α,25-dihydroxyvitamin D3; Calcijex, Abbott Laboratories, North Chicago, IL, USA), paricalcitol (19-nor-1α,25-dihydroxyvitamin D2; Zemplar, Abbott Laboratories), and doxercalciferol (1α-hydroxyvitamin D2; Hectorol, Genzyme, Cambridge, MA, USA).”
Seems to me that these sound closer to the name of the active form: 1,25-dihydroxy-vitamin D3
It was just Germany giving newborns 1 million IU, but it was in a video on Youtube of a lecture given by a doctor, it is valid and isn’t milli or anything.
~1997 age 18 I was 4.7" BPEL and somehow grew either because I wasn't done growing and or some PE work to a bit under 6 inches without measuring or noticing progress at the time. Girth has always been about 6 inches but is slowly getting larger 6.2" at widest
Current BPEL after a little work is 6.2" also, Bone pressed stretched flaccid 6.5" Will update with gains.
I don’t know if this is the video, but it does a good job of pointing out that vit D3 isn’t that dangerous.
HOWEVER it is if you don’t take K2 and Magnesium with it.
~1997 age 18 I was 4.7" BPEL and somehow grew either because I wasn't done growing and or some PE work to a bit under 6 inches without measuring or noticing progress at the time. Girth has always been about 6 inches but is slowly getting larger 6.2" at widest
Current BPEL after a little work is 6.2" also, Bone pressed stretched flaccid 6.5" Will update with gains.
Wikipedia does not have much good to say about your Dr. Michael F. Holick. He seems to have made positive contribution to the subject, then apparently went off the rails:
Positive:
“He helped perform dose escalation studies establishing how much vitamin D is required to maintain blood levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D in the sufficient range for adults. These studies also demonstrated that up to 10,000 IU of vitamin D a day for 5 months did not cause toxicity.[49]”
He studied dosage of 10,000 iu which is much less than the 50,000 iu you quoted and no where near the 1,000,000 iu you also quoted.
Negative:
“Holick has been involved in several medical controversies. While at Boston University, he was asked to leave the Division of Dermatology because of his promoting the medical benefits of sun exposure. He accepted research funding for this work from a non-profit tanning bed company, considered by many to be an important potential bias. Barbara Gilchrest, then head of the department at Boston University, called Holick’s book "shlock science" and Holick "a poster boy for the tanning industry".[50]”
“Since May 2017, Holick has been barred from evaluating or treating children by Boston Medical Center, which subsequently reported him to the Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine for "health care facility discipline." [53]”
“His promotion of Vitamin D has been called extreme, even speculating that the extinction of dinosaurs caused by a lack of it in reduced sunlight.[55]”
Initial: 7” BPEL; 6” NBPEL; 5.25” - 5.5” MEG
Current: 7-7/8” BPEL; 7-3/8” NBPEL; 8.5” BPFSL; 6.5” MEG; 6”x5” Flaccid.
Goal: Improved/consistent EQ while managing ED. Secondary: maintain current stats.
I’m sorry but none of that means a thing, the fact is that Vitamin D3 can be taken in high doses for a while by some people and be safe, and taking k2 makes it safer as does taking Magnesium.
I am not saying that dosing oneself with 50,000IU of vitamin D should be done lightly.
Ideally you should first check your levels, also consider if you are going to get vitamin D from the sun.
Next you should ABSOLUTELY take at least the K2 the study mentions and also a bioavailable form of magnesium.
Then you should try it for just 3 months only, the period in the study for some participants (some did 6) but all apparently gained length in 3 months.
You should watch out for the symptoms of too much Calcium, and ideally be tested at least mid-way through the study for Calcium and Vit D levels.
That all 14 members of the study survived for 3 months and others were okay for 6, then we can assume the odds of death if you are careful aren’t overly high or there would have been at least one death.
Based on the fact that people have to take 50,000IU for an extended period to have problems normally or be sensitive to vit D overload, 3 months should be fine probably following the precautions, but do so at your own risk.
There have been studies with people taking 50000 and 60000 IU for longer than 3 months and all were ok, but they were all deficient in vit D, but most people are by many estimates.
If you are a nervous person then don’t do it obviously, and don’t do it at that level if you have been supplementing with say 5-10k of vitamin D3 a day for some period.
But if you are overweight, your levels are all the more likely to be low.
~1997 age 18 I was 4.7" BPEL and somehow grew either because I wasn't done growing and or some PE work to a bit under 6 inches without measuring or noticing progress at the time. Girth has always been about 6 inches but is slowly getting larger 6.2" at widest
Current BPEL after a little work is 6.2" also, Bone pressed stretched flaccid 6.5" Will update with gains.