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Originally Posted by Tommybuckles

Or more specifically what is the average age of the people that have had success with this stack? Pygeum seems to be advertised as a prostate supplement so in theory it should benefit those who are older more than those that are younger?

I’m 20. So far my erections are stiffer but I feel like my libido haven’t increased. I feel like my overall blood flow is better.

I’m trying to notice any side effects. Just in case.

Originally Posted by Hurreheheh
I’m 20. So far my erections are stiffer but I feel like my libido haven’t increased. I feel like my overall blood flow is better.
I’m trying to notice any side effects. Just in case.

Good to know. Thank you for the reply. Going through the thread it seems there are a few people who’s erections and libido have decreased with the stack. But as always everyone reacts differently.

OK so a quick update.

I held off until last night (Saturday evening) and the orgasm was absolutely mind-numbing and intense - probably the best orgasm in terms of feeling in my life. Every orgasm does feel stronger, and that has definitely got to be the 1360mg of Lecithin I take once daily.

Sadly though, the load is not changed. In fact, I could go so far as to say it’s become less potent. Precum itself is also unchanged.

In terms of next steps, I plan to abstain until Friday, giving a large amount of time to see how long periods of abstaining will effect me, and when I do, I will try to edge for as long as I can to truly put 3 weeks of my combo to the test.
At that point, I will have to consider the following:
- Other brands of Lecithin and Pygeum
- Higher doses of the current brand of Pygeum (and Lecithin if I feel I need to)
- Removing Pygeum altogether and try L-Arginine and/or Zinc

Originally Posted by MasterTemplar
OK so a quick update.

I held off until last night (Saturday evening) and the orgasm was absolutely mind-numbing and intense - probably the best orgasm in terms of feeling in my life. Every orgasm does feel stronger, and that has definitely got to be the 1360mg of Lecithin I take once daily.

Sadly though, the load is not changed. In fact, I could go so far as to say it’s become less potent. Precum itself is also unchanged.

In terms of next steps, I plan to abstain until Friday, giving a large amount of time to see how long periods of abstaining will effect me, and when I do, I will try to edge for as long as I can to truly put 3 weeks of my combo to the test.
At that point, I will have to consider the following:
- Other brands of Lecithin and Pygeum
- Higher doses of the current brand of Pygeum (and Lecithin if I feel I need to)
- Removing Pygeum altogether and try L-Arginine and/or Zinc

With the increased orgasm intensity that you are feeling do you find that your staying power has changed at all? Do you find that you are reaching the point of no return quicker? Or is the ending simply intensified but it takes the usual amount of time to reach orgasm?

Originally Posted by Tommybuckles
With the increased orgasm intensity that you are feeling do you find that your staying power has changed at all? Do you find that you are reaching the point of no return quicker? Or is the ending simply intensified but it takes the usual amount of time to reach orgasm?

Good question, and I didn’t think to include these details.

Staying power has improved a good bit - I wouldn’t say a lot though. I think I’ve always been pretty good at it beforehand. Reaching the point of no return itself has definitely extended, I find it takes a bit more effort even without staying power to actually blow. The ending is then intensified, and it seems the longer I hold off, the more intense it gets (*thinks I’ll fall unconscious if I can hold off for a week* LMAO).

That said I’ve not been able to hold off for more than 3 days so, and it could have been coincidence. Though I can say I absolutely am more horny, more often, than I used to be. I would need a longer refractory period than I do now, but the point at which I begin that struggle to resist - and start feeling pretty ‘full’ to go - is around 24 hours. This is what has made it difficult to abstain for more than a day most of the time.

Originally Posted by MasterTemplar
Good question, and I didn’t think to include these details.

Staying power has improved a good bit - I wouldn’t say a lot though. I think I’ve always been pretty good at it beforehand. Reaching the point of no return itself has definitely extended, I find it takes a bit more effort even without staying power to actually blow. The ending is then intensified, and it seems the longer I hold off, the more intense it gets (*thinks I’ll fall unconscious if I can hold off for a week* LMAO).

That said I’ve not been able to hold off for more than 3 days so, and it could have been coincidence. Though I can say I absolutely am more horny, more often, than I used to be. I would need a longer refractory period than I do now, but the point at which I begin that struggle to resist - and start feeling pretty ‘full’ to go - is around 24 hours. This is what has made it difficult to abstain for more than a day most of the time.

Thank you. Excellent explanation. It would be interesting in the coming weeks if you happen to remove 1 component of the stack from your regime as you mentioned you may remove the pygeum and replace it with zinc. Once that happens it will be interesting to see if anything changes for the better or worse and will allow you to pinpoint what is creating increase in EQ or if they are all working synergistically.

So being that I’m from the UK, and hearing many others across the EU countries have issues finding the more ‘promising’ supplements, I emailed Swanson’s UK department customer service to inquire about the Pygeum recommended in this thread, here:

https://www.ama … /dp/B00068S882/

Their response was that the product was ‘restricted’, with no further elaboration, but that there was an alternative which is nothing like the product in question.

Https://swanson.co.uk/p/swanson-pygeum-500mg-100-capsules/#!q=1&_ship-from=nj-us&_label=us

I’ve surmised that some ingredient(s) must be banned in the UK, or possibly - and more broadly - the EU (if no one else in EU countries have been able to acquire it).

Furthermore, if you try searching “pygeum” on the swanson.co.uk web store, it cannot find results. It’s really quite strange.

If anybody who is well versed in supplements could figure out the specific ingredient that has restricted the US availability of the Swanson brand of Pygeum, it would be a great help, and it might provide insight into what actually gives Pygeum its potency (I’ve still seen no improvement as yet).


Last edited by MasterTemplar : 05-14-2019 at .

Originally Posted by lapsslap
I believe it is a ban based on unsustainable farming practices of what is considered an endangered species
Prunus africana (Hook.f.) Kalkman: The Overexploitation of a Medicinal Plant Species and Its Legal Context - PMC

Thanks for the response.

It does suck to know that there is farming of an endangered species, and so I can’t complain. Let’s just hope they soon find a sustainable way to grow and farm it out of endangerment in the near future, especially for our selfish needs. Haha!

Wo the Stack

My load is ok without the stack, I think. My wife says its too thick for her taste ;-)

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I’ve used L-Arginine for workouts and have noticed firmer erections and more volume in my loads. I went to the vitamin shop and picked up the other components of this holy grail and am going to take some measurements on before and after, doing my best to hold activity, hydration, and number of loads shot a week as constant as possible.

Originally Posted by Maerobin
Newbie to PE and supplements. I’m hoping to bring something new to the bedroom. Feeling like I’m losing my partner..

I got myself:
100mg Pygeum (400mg bark) x2 daily
1200mg sunflower lecithin x2 daily
50mg zinc x1 daily

60-80fl oz of water daily.

I started this week after reading this thread. I read something about cycling? Do I not take this “stack” everyday? I think cycling said something about five days and a two day break vs three weeks and a two week break?

Please advise for someone new to all of this.

Started this in March .. I have seen no changes to any areas claimed in this post. Does anyone have any suggestions?
On a side note: I am also taking Doxycycline Hyclate.

Originally Posted by Tommybuckles
Thank you. Excellent explanation. It would be interesting in the coming weeks if you happen to remove 1 component of the stack from your regime as you mentioned you may remove the pygeum and replace it with zinc. Once that happens it will be interesting to see if anything changes for the better or worse and will allow you to pinpoint what is creating increase in EQ or if they are all working synergisticaly.

So I’ve dislocated my elbow and broke/fractured my wrist in my right arm, which means 3 weeks in I saw little result except in the way of pleasure and firmness.

On the fourth week (the week in which I injured myself), I decided to take the OP combo (Pygeum + Lecethin + Zinc + L-Arginine) PLUS I included Maca Root Extract, and finally increased my Pygeum and Lecithin to 4x/daily (400mg Pygeum, 5400mg Lecithin). This was taken for 3 days, plus 1 pill of each on the 4th, right before I was sent to A&E where I haven’t taken them since (23rd May).

The results of this brief intake has been telling though. I believe it was by the 30th May (so about a week later) that I found some effects had kicked in despite not taking anything since. Again, the effects are essentially in the sensation department - orgasms have become slight more powerful than they already were when I last reported, but this time 3 key things have occurred.

1. My penis goes rock hard to the point I could feel like it was going to explode whilst I could feel the cum start to travel up the shaft. This blew me away (pardon the pun xD) and I’ve not experienced that kind of pleasure before.
2. When I feel the cum travel it takes MUCH longer (at least to me while organising, it may just be 3 or 4 seconds), and while it does, the underside of my penis has this intense sensation of the cum travelling up inside it.
3. Upon release, I feel like it’s going to shoot far away, like a damn shotgun blast or something. But no. Instead it seems to do a small shot a few cm as normal, before it dribbles out like a tap that’s slightly turned on.

In terms of volume, I believe it has increased slightly, but I can’t tell yet for certain. Precum has been the same still - little bits beading at the tip from time to time, if at all.

I’ve heard somewhere that some men have a thinner passage for their cum to travel, resulting in trapped precum, or not being able to shoot a great distance, and I fear this may be the case for me if it’s true. If it is, is there anything I can do or take to “loosen” the passageways?

I’ve been off the stack for a while and just seeing about my standard amounts. And it is woefully low. I wonder what is missing from my diet that its such a low amount. Maybe I’m still too dehydrated.

My biggest load ever was after a few months where I didnt ejaculate at all, not in my sleep, and I was also having non-ejaculatory orgasms. In that period I also did PE with good results especially for erection quality.

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