Tongkat Ali?

I don’t believe in the stuff. I am willing to try (almost) anything to see if it works, but
if I find that it doesn’t, I won’t spend my money on it.
I like Cialis and Generic Viagra.
I also tried L- Arginine, which didn’t do much for me either. It could be me, of course..

Ahund

Same here.

Eh? Why not? You could always PM me. :)

Sent :)

Shy..

What’s your regimen? Strength, amount per day, cycling, etc.?

Thanks,
BFLR

To be honest, I’m not taking it right now. I’m taking two other products for building muscle and strength and writing a review about them on a different forum (has nothing to do with PE). I don’t want Tongkat Ali to interfere with them just for the sake of seeing if the two other products work.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think TA would be bad, but like I said, I just want to see if the other two products work.

For cycling (what I have done in the past) is 1200mg-1600mg per day. I’ll go 5 days on, 2 days off. Or, I’ll mix it up (4 days on, 1 day off, 2 days on, 1 day off). Taking it continuously for more than a month isn’t recommended. Cycling is VERY important.

Be careful with tongkat ali from Malaysia a lot of it is contaminated. You must buy it from a reputable company that will guarantee purity. Most of the tongkat ali products from Malaysia contain contaminants such as Viagra, and cialis so you think it is working great. The danger is getting some with high doses of lead in it. Here is a site you can read all about it on.

Great post!!

I totally agree with you 100% :)

ShyMplsMale, I think I can clear up what seems like a paradox that 1:100 and 1:200 powders are not 2X and 4X stronger, respectively, than 1:50 powder from the same supplier (see my Post #159). Let’s say you take 50 grams of fairly small-sized root chips and boil them in water for at least a half hour, then you decant and express as much of the resulting dark brown “tea” as you can from the solids and boil or freeze-dry it to dryness. You’ll end up with about 1 gram of dried solids because that’s the amount of water-extractable solids in tongkat ali root. When ground, this solid would rightly be called a 1:50 powder. Let’s say that instead you boil the chips only 10 minutes, or that you boil them a half hour but then don’t recover all the tea from the roots. After drying, you might only recover 0.5 grams, or even 0.25 grams of solids. These could rightly be called 1:100 and 1:200 powders respectively, but you certainly wouldn’t expect them to be 2X and 4X as strong. I’m not saying that this is how commercial 1:100 and 1:200 powders are made—I’d prefer to believe that producers do something like adding a second settling/decanting step after the tea cools but before it is dried—but since the ‘natural’ result is 1 gram from 50, clearly something must be done to reduce recovered solids. One supplier acknowledges that their 1:100 and 1:200 powders are not 2X and 4X as strong (Post #159), so in their case at least, whatever step they take to reduce recovered solids also results in some loss of active ingredients.

1/50 of the root is water soluble I presume. Could it be so that 1/100 of the root is soluble in ethanol, and 1/4 of the 1/50 water extract is soluble in ethanol, thus making the 1/200 extract?

I get what you are saying. But, I’m guessing the 1:200 extract could be really close to twice as strong, while the 1:100 extract is just a little more potent than the 1:50.

All the 1:100 stuff I see for sale is outrageous. If you go on Ebay, there is 60 capsules of 1:100 stuff being sold and each capsule is 25mg. 25MG! That’s it! In that whole bottle, it comes out to be 1500mg. I believe the recommended doseage for 1:50 is up to 1600mg PER DAY. Since 1:100 isn’t that much stronger than 1:50, it’s probably safe to say that 5-6 capsules of the 400mg stuff that is sold by “good” suppliers equals that whole bottle of Tongkat Ali. Yet, I’ve seen that 1:100 bottle of 60 capsules of 25mg go for well over $10. Sad, but true.

Also, thanks for all of that info :)

I got this stuff from Sumatra, 1:200, and whether it’s really twice as power as 1:100, or whether even a given batch is uniformly some specified strength, I have to tell you it WORKS!

A couple days on this stuff (2-3 800mg doses) and I’m hornier than a bull for a week! Science is good, but as they say “the proof is in the pudding”.

BFLR

I think Sumatra is the best source around. Anything that isn’t from Sumatra can easily have fillers in it, etc.

Can’t wait until my review/trial is done with these two other supplements I’m trying (for building muscle), then I can get into my huge stash of TA :)

Is it in powder form or in capsules and where did you get it from?

Sumatra Pasak Bumi (tongkatali.org) is where he got his stuff from (almost positive). They are THE SOURCE of the 1:200 stuff and the 1:50 that I have.

If I’m not mistaken, he got it in 30 gram pouches.