I Need to Pull a Cedric the Entertainer

I Need to Pull a Cedric the Entertainer from Barbershop - Apologize to those that haven’t seen the movie.

Can we be honest here? I know this isn’t a Barbershop but if we can’t be honest on a forum that talks about pulling on penises then what the hell?

This is a separate thread because I didn’t want to threadjack on Naysayers basic post asking a simple reasonable question… guy has been a lurker for three years and purchased a Phallosan Forte and Bathmate and asked what’s next.

Three years of looking around, reading post, and for whatever reason did not elect to try the Newbie Routine that’s is always mentioned (and comes off as a TP mandated response to all threads),

So, Naysayer ask a basic question, gets the mandated response of “everyone must do a newbie routine” and I just don’t get it.

Many of the active legends here at TP tell you straight up their gains came from one device or another (or multiple devices) but will only reply with the mandated “must do newbie routine” to every thread.

(Active legends, I mean absolutely ZERO disrespect, ZERO. All ya’ll are my hero’s and I am grateful you take the time to answer all these questions).

As an outsider… I just don’t get it. If I was told I had to start with the mandated newbie routine, I never woulda tried PE.

I will not mention Rosa Parks or Jessie Jackson as Cedric did… but I did want to throw this out there that even tho the Newbie Routine is an awesome, very thought out, and expertly put together routine that some people just need to get started and go from there.
I really don’t think it is bad that some choose to get started another way,

Michael
(and yes, I already know what responses are coming to this post)

I personally don’t think anyone has to start with the Newbie Routine. It is however an intelligent and safe way to familiarize one’s self with PE while beginning to understand some of the basics. Heat, manuals, rest, etc. It also begins some step conditioning, which is a more careful approach.

While some of the “Legends” might not have began with the Newbie Routine, they might believe or feel that this is a more appropriate path to set a Newbie on. While we can be reckless in our own decisions it’s another thing to be carefree or overly aggressive when providing a recommendation to another.

I push PE limits from time to time at my own risk, but if someone is just starting out, why not recommend beginning with the Newbie Routine?

Personally, I do think many can start and do start PE with a device and do just fine. I also think the Newbie Routines are of value when someone new is asking for a recommendation as to where to start.

Very well put LE. Thank you for this response because I’m sitting here scratching my head with this question.

Yes many of us decided to not do the newbie and we regretted it once we were stuck and couldn’t gain because of a device such as the bathmate. Many of us also did the newbie and rode those gains out.

I started with a similar routine to the newbie many years ago and I got great newbie gains. Those gains were probably all EQ. That’s something many of us concluded about the newbie, it’s most likely EQ gains. And in reality if that’s all it is then great.

I came back and was one of those guys that got sucked into the bathmate bullshit. Yea the gains came quick and also faded quick. I don’t believe anyone just starting out should use a bathmate the pressure is off the charts. I also believe because of going that route I screwed with my gains. I have to push much harder now for gains where with the manuals I originally started out with gave me gains with less intense work. Which comes back to why I suggest the newbie or variation of it depending on conditioning level.

The bottom line is it’s the one of the safest routines to start with. I mean can you imagine hurting of all things your dick? The one reason you came here looking for advice and then you hurt it and freak out….

Well, I think I will comment here as someone who spent entirely too much time and money on his dick.

TL: DR- Got a ton of shit gathering dust. Cuz I do. And a sale thread for it Blowout Sale: thoughtfulgold

The reasons I recommend the Newbie routine are layered but ultimately simple.

1. Is PE for you?

The Newbie Routine is a free and easy way to get into the ultimately disproportionately huge time commitment PE becomes. If you aren’t bored to tears, irritated and frustrated after 90 days and didn’t quit…then devices may be worth trying. If you pay a price of admission and never used the device again you’ll be very sad that you wasted $300 on a Bathmate that you never want to use again.

2. Do you know how much strain your penis can take?

The short answer is no. There is no possible way for you to know that because you never done this before. The newbie routine gives you a physical baseline to understand the physical reactions of your penis. From what gives you good morning wood to what kills your morning wood and gives you pain afterwards.

3. Did you buy something comfortable?

All too often people will buy devices and they will be uncomfortable and all sales are final. Hundreds of dollars wasted. People will read and think extenders are a great idea but so many people quit because the noose which is the most common and inexpensive way to get into extending is also uncomfortable to a point of utter sadness and exasperation.

Some people find pumping greater than 3 HG is incredibly painful. They wonder how the device could ever be useful. Some people find similar with water-based pumping or hangers. Also, how well can you size these things since you’ve never bought them before? Buying several different sizes multiplies your investment before you even know if you want to continue long enough to see if PE is for you.

4. How do you know what to buy?

If you haven’t done the Newbie routine and you haven’t conditioned yourself then how do you know what is worth buying? If you haven’t studied where you will go after the Newbie routine because now you have a physical understanding of PE then how will you make a purchase decision that is informed at all? Doing the Newbie routine for 90 days and researching your next steps gives you exposure to the theory that you will need to understand to make a reasoned and educated purchase decision.

Additionally, if you trust "marketing research", you will end up buying every possible thing. Take it from someone who has spent more than $15,000. It’s easy to sell yourself with marketing even with things you know don’t work: this is how I got my Size Genetics extender 4 years ago even though I long since stop extending 5 years before that. There is no substitute for experience coupled with research. Research alone will not help you.

5. The Newbie routine is the only thing that we all have a consensus on that we can teach that doesn't cost any money.

If we insisted you buy a device and then taught on devices we would be no different than any other website that has a vested interest in a device, advertisers said device then coerces you into buying it. In the interest in keeping things free recommending devices just is disingenuous. Every other form pushes the Bathmate because that company has made a sock puppet out of every PE forum except this one because they offer commission based on people who buy things after clicking on a banner ad they install in your site. That element ruins a website for me and I would hate to see Thunders take that route.

I understand that you want to see gains and Stat increases and progress. But recommending against devices doesn’t mean we’re trying to keep you from reaching your goals. Speaking as someone who has spent over $10,000 in 9 years and only luckily have something to show for it so many others have gone the same route I have and have nothing to show for it. There is no guarantee that buying a device will help at all. Just because you spend your money doesn’t entitle you to anything, not games, not progress, nor a money back guarantee.

I’m not sure what else I can add. I know that I wish I started with manuals instead of a $515 device that was ridiculously uncomfortable.

But maybe that’s just me.

I can attest to doing newbie level manuals. I’m making gains so far after maybe a month and a half of doing them. My bathmate collects a bit of dust as well. It just doesn’t provide the same level of control and feedback as manual excersizes in my humble opinion. On another note, there is so many different things to try and learn, so much potential with just manual excersizes. Tg is right, why not start with something free?

Great post, TG. My thoughts are the same.