Is it possible to make significant gains without using devices?

I apologize if this is not a new question, but I couldn’t seem to find anything with the search bar. Every single routine I see of veteran PE members are that they include some sort of device or appliance in their search for more gains after the Newbie Routine whether it is some sort of hanging device/clamping/pumping or whatever. My question is, how far can just stretches and jelqs take you? I actually started the newbie routine about three months ago and quit after about a couple of weeks because I didn’t have the time to do so. However, I’ve just started it up again, and I want to know if I can expect any significant gains outside of (hopefully) cementing my future Newbie Routine ones because it seems to me after reading through a bunch of this forum that manual stretches, jelqs, and exercises start to dish out very quickly diminishing returns without turning to some sort of device.

Thanks,
-bibbitybaboobab

Yes. Definitely. Many have gained a lot with just manuals.

Bibbitty, all of my gains are from manual stretches. Literally no devices used.

The newbie routine will see you gain and my recommendation is to continue on this path until you stop seeing gains. My routine now consists of 5 minute stretches a few times throughout the day and some jelqing to keep it engorged in my pants.

The only device if you could call it that is a rubber cock ring (actually a plumbers o ring) which I sometimes wear after jelqing.

Using devices may come later if you fancy a change and have the money. I’ve stuck to manual as it’s easier to do.

I’ve never seen your stats. All manuals and 3 years…that is some amazing stuff. Nine years and you’ll need a holster…*chuckles*

Thanks to Blindpew about his post. I am going to go trough this journey with nothing but my hands also. Not going to spend money on this, never (ok I spent 10 dollars also on a cock ring and of course the lubes cost).

Lets see how far I get with my jelqs and stretches. I’m having a great start, and whats important - THIS FEELS GREAT AND NOT LIKE A WORK AT ALL. I enjoy it. Beats the lousy feeling of jerking off to porn and feeling down afterwards at least.

Peace

Haha good luck man! If you ever need any questions just send a message or a post.

Hey yes. I think one can gain a ton from only manuals. They also give you a solid foundation in understanding what makes your cock grow with all the hands on work. I only started with a pump after almost a year or manuals and I’m glad I waited.

Thanks Thoughtfulgold!

I’m a bit of a lurker on here and I’ve certainly read a lot of threads - like the ones you’ve started - they’ve helped me to learn and understand what works for me.

I started then stopped at least twice before I found any real success and it’s only in the past year that I feel I know what works for me. I’ve added my stats to my profile to help me track my progress.

My only regret is not taking a photo of my ‘before’ size as I’m likely to hit the 9 inches mark this year!

Awesome man! Peace out brother ✌️

You’re one Lucky guy I did manuals only for over 10 years like on for 2- 4 months straight, then off for 1- 2 months because I never gained a single thing from doing them but as you can see I never gave up and eventually found what worked for me.

A little bit ‘envious’ of you though as I even tried the 5- 10 min here and there through out the day for about 2 months but gave that up as well after not as much as a mm of gains, lol.

Anyhow congrats on GREAT gains from manuals only. I’ve already spent too much money on this Journey, it’s worth it in the end but still, lol.

Probably the smart route to take. I spent well over $4k in 4-months. Oh well. About $1600 of that was exclusive to PE. The remainder was for supplements that are helping with fitness and recovery as well as PE.

I don’t begrudge anyone spending the money on devices. I’m jealous and if I could afford it I would certainly want to give them a go. They look fun.

Regardless of financial situation, I do believe that manuals are where you can find the best gains and also where more satisfaction can come from.

Crafting a new penis from your own hands?

I’m no zen master yet but I like to think I’m on the right path! 😉