Ligament ache pain, good or bad?

Here is the link to the full study:
http://144.92.4 8.140/files/loc … trinsic2005.pdf

look what it says:
"After a Grade III injury (complete rupture) to ligament, a
region of scar tissue is deposited to provide a provisional
matrix for connecting the two residual ends of the ruptured
tissue (Frank et al., 1983; Jack, 1950). Biochemical analysis
of this scar tissue reveals changes in total collagen and glycosaminoglycan content within the scar
tissue out to 40 weeks post-injury (Frank et al., 1983).
………………
Mechanical evaluation of ligaments after subfailure
injury revealed a substantial strength deficit and increased
deformations within the strain-stiffening toe-region of the
load-deformation, consistent with previous reports (Provenzano
et al., 2002a,b) and indicating a significant tissue
injury. This early portion of the stress–strain curve is
physiologically relevant. Changes in mechanical behavior in
this region indicate a longer functional length prior to load
bearing…

Results herein point toward an intrinsic process of collagenous
ECM remodeling that relies more heavily on
replacing type I collagen directly than producing a predominantly
type III collagen provisional matrix (scar) to be later
replaced by type I collagen.

Furthermore, proteoglycan
mRNA levels indicate significant increases in conjunction
with increased collagen expression. Since proteoglycans
such as decorin, lumican, and fibromodulin are associated
with collagen fibrillogenesis (Birk et al., 1995; Chakravarti
et al., 1998; Ezura et al., 2000; Jepsen et al., 2002; Svensson
et al., 1999; Vogel and Trotter, 1987), as well as cell
behavior (see Kresse and Schonherr, 2001), it appears likely
that they are, at least in part, up-regulated to help modulate
the fibrillogenesis of the newly synthesized collagen…"
http://144.92.4 8.140/files/loc … trinsic2005.pdf

According to this link, an Achille’ tendon takes 6 months to fully heal:
http://achilles blog.com/files/ … re_mass_gen.pdf

Summint it up, grade II injuries (no inflammation neither scar deposition) are repaired through more ‘healthy’ collagen deposition and new fibers. Being this tissue similar to the normal tissue, it can be elongated again, ‘small’ injuries (grade II) to this tissue will cause new collagen deposition and so on. The whole process can take few weeks. Scar tissue, instead, is less elastic and requires more time to disappear. Without even thinking to the pain, inability to have intercourse etc..

Beside that, how can you pull on your ligs without pulling the penis? And again, stretching ligs would add about nothing to erect length. In penis surgery, where the ligs are cut, there is a gain in EL of about 1/4"; some people don’t report any lenght gains at all from this procedure. If cutting ligs can’t do much, what stretching them can accomplish?

This was the argument that won me over.

The simplified version is that type III collagen(scar tissue) ‘shrinks’ to draw healing edges together. It is inelastic and has a cross-linked structure (think of reinforced concrete) that stabilises tissue and resists deformation.

How does somebody know if he has scar tissue?

If there is a significative amount, I think you should notice a strange shape of your dick, like in Peyronie’ disease.

It is possible that there is a very small amount and you don’t notice, I think. That would cause a tougher penis, all other things being equal.

The physician has spoken :) Im guessing type I collagen does not shrink to draw healing edges together?

I have read the whole report. And it is logical, as you say, that after grade II sprain has healed it can be elongated again. This should though also be true for a healed (or non healed, if the force is enough) type III collagen dominated repair. Creating gaps in scar tissue would (i assume) cause the body to lay down scar tissue between the scar tissues.
However… i just read that scar tissue is like 10 times stronger than regular ligaments, and logically that would mean that i need 10 times as much force as i had (creating the inflammatory injury) if i wish to keep working in that "region". Thats NOT practical, since it would probably cause me to crush my glans and other parts.

All in all, even IF there is something to the "hardcore" approach of susp. ligament gains, i feel like there are more arguments in favor of trying to work with the type I collagen response.

How can i pull on ligs without pulling other penis? Well, since i got a slight inflammation in my ligs, but nowhere else in my penis, that is apparently just what i did. The force is concentrated there, due to physical mechanical properties. But thats besides the point.

Anyway, i feel as if i have gotten answers to my questions now and i would like to thank firegoat, mister007 and marinera for discussing and giving me information!

Thank you!

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Old thread I know but I have a question;

I have the same dull pain (have been for a few days since my last static stretching involving 30 secs stretches). For me it’s like under my right handside ball, within my body. It doesn’t hurt per se but it’s uncomfortable sometimes.

I don’t wanna stop PEing for weeks, that would depress me. But damaging my wang would depress me even more. Yesterday I skipped PE and woke up this morning with a morning wood but still the dull ache/pain on the right handside.

Flaccid is hanging nice sometimes too, not stiff all the time.

The actual question is this: Are positive PIs indicative of whether I can resume normal PE training (I’ll be careful with the stretches now, I was thinking that ligament fatigue was a good thing, I don’t now, it means I’m pulling too hard) ?

A dull pain means you have a mild ligament strain, a;most certainly from pulling too hard. They can last anything from a week to around 6. If it’s mild it should recover quite quickly. Once the pain has completely gone it doesn’t mean that it’s 100% recovered, but you can start lighter stretching again. In the mean time, you can do any PE that doesn’t make the area ache more after you finish your session. Anything that causes increased discomfort during or after the session will stop it from healing quickly.

Thanks firegoat, that makes sense and that’s straight to the point.

Hello everyone!

It’s an old wire but I have the same pains, I put the PE to side

Do you know stretches that do not affect the ligaments, for example holding the base of the penis with the left hand and pulling with the right hand will put less tension on the ligament?

Thanks to you!

I had a sharp pain a few days ago, and then the pain stayed but very mild. I don’t feel like hurting myself.

I hurt myself when I was stretching and with my finger I unintentionally pressed on the ligament, it’s pretty stupid..

I’ll let it rest but for the next time, how do you advise me not to stretch the ligaments?

If the unit is in Pain, then maybe its better to let it rest and heal. From my knowledge when you stretch upright you are targeting different parts of the penises “attachments”. Try upwards. Good luck!