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Originally Posted by RedWilly
Good luck my friend.

Keep posting about your progress!

Thanks and will do.

I’m treating this as a science experiment. Since perusing the forums, I see that there isn’t as much data as I would like. There’s no question the methods work, but I’d really like to know the amount of time it took. Not in terms of “twice a day for 6 months”, but more so “X number of hours over a Y time period yields Z results”. If I had a metric that said “200 hrs of extending will add an inch” or “10,000 jelqs will increase girth .25 in”, then it would be much easier to set realistic goals.

As I type this, I think I’ll shift my goals to PE time vs. Gains. I’ll have to figure out what’s reasonable, but I thinking shooting for X number of hours by Y date is more practical and will keep me disciplined.

So as part of my contribution, I’ll be keeping meticulous notes on what I do and will post periodically so others can see.

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Any good girth routine recommendations involving jelqing and manual work with EQ exercises? I just came back from a 5 month spree and ended with clamping frustration because my EQ dropped so low even though I got good expansion. My PI’s were jack as well. My problem is a need a routine and I’ll can modify from there. I’m 4.45 meg and I’m shooting for 5meg in a year. If possible.. Yes I’m seasoned regained condition. Girth is my target. I’ll appreciate a message as well if some one could recommend tips and stuff.

Originally Posted by alkari
Thanks and will do.

I’m treating this as a science experiment. Since perusing the forums, I see that there isn’t as much data as I would like. There’s no question the methods work, but I’d really like to know the amount of time it took. Not in terms of “twice a day for 6 months”, but more so “X number of hours over a Y time period yields Z results”. If I had a metric that said “200 hrs of extending will add an inch” or “10,000 jelqs will increase girth .25 in”, then it would be much easier to set realistic goals.

As I type this, I think I’ll shift my goals to PE time vs. Gains. I’ll have to figure out what’s reasonable, but I thinking shooting for X number of hours by Y date is more practical and will keep me disciplined.

So as part of my contribution, I’ll be keeping meticulous notes on what I do and will post periodically so others can see.

If only it were that simple.

There are 3 types of tunica structures. There’s a single, double where he muscle fibers are crosssectioned and where most people lie and there’s the unfortunate triple.

Microtears in the tunica help expansion and if you’ve a tough tunica you’ll have trouble expanding.

So really everyone is different. I wish it were that simple.

I’ve gained .2 inches in girth but came back down. It’s pissed me off. I’m back to about 4.9 to 5. I was up to 5.125 within a month.

It’s hard and give and take. But hopefully we’ll get there!

Originally Posted by Aaron22
Any good girth routine recommendations involving jelqing and manual work with EQ exercises? I just came back from a 5 month spree and ended with clamping frustration because my EQ dropped so low even though I got good expansion. My PI’s were jack as well. My problem is a need a routine and I’ll can modify from there. I’m 4.45 meg and I’m shooting for 5meg in a year. If possible.. Yes I’m seasoned regained condition. Girth is my target. I’ll appreciate a message as well if some one could recommend tips and stuff.

Girth is my target too. Doing horse440s and jelqs.

Good luck my friend!

I definitely try that out and thanks !

I have a question, how long does it typically take to see better EQ? I have been loosening up my grip on the jelqs and I did 20 of them and some kegels. I have even tried very light grip. I’m 22 and it’s like I struggle to get hard rock erections unless I’m around the lady. I do not watch pornography that I feel like my own hands cannot stimulate a rock hard erection without some effort. I can get it plump and flaccid for jelqing but it’s hard to get to 100% I can get to 90% masturbating almost. I have a history of doing 15min or 50 reps with a firm grip and I get a good pump and puffy but the EQ doesn’t get resolved it’s almost like a thick lifeless flaccid. I do get morning wood but I do not get the ease of erection like most people say.


Last edited by Aaron22 : 05-15-2017 at .

I noticed back when I started PE in the very beginning, I too lost a bit of EQ. However, after I stopped, my EQ came back. I didn’t stick with PE long enough for any appreciable gains.

But, my thinking is this. Throughout this process, EQ is going to drop a bit. What I suspect will happen is that the penis will grow and if you stop the program, it’ll shrink down, but it won’t shrink down to its original size (assuming you’ve gone well past it). I THINK this shrinkage is what’s going to be necessary to restore EQ.

For me, my goal is about a 6” girth. So the plan is to get up to 6.5” and then ween off of PE altogether. The HOPE is once PE stops, I’ll shrink down to about 6”. I really don’t want to be doing PE all my life. Ideally, I’d get above the size I want, ween myself off, shrink to what I want, and never have to do any PE again. I can’t imagine a 20+% increase in length or girth actually shrinking back to its original size.

I’ll let the gurus chime in though.

I really like your way of thinking.
Growing to a point to were it will never be the same size again. You lose some but it won’t be the exact same size after the “cementing” process.

I guess my biggest question is would you pay more attention to morning wood and a nice flaccid hang, puffy pee hole(after jelq session), visual plump in your penis over better EQ ? I don’t get all these random 110% raging EQ like people say. My unit does feel thicker during the day even though the measuring tape says different. It seems much more plump when I take a piss. I do warm up and stretch and do 40-50 wet 5 second jelqs with a firmer grip. I tried to go lighter and less reps but my EQ didn’t seem to change much and I ended up trading the good plump hang during the day.

Honestly, no. I’m really not concerned about EQ throughout the day. As long as I can achieve full strength when I’m with a woman, I’m ok. For me, it’s a small price to pay, cause I believe it’ll come back once I ween myself off of PE.

I just checked myself last night with a woman; EQ was what it always is. My flaccid measurements aren’t important to me. I’m a major grower. My flaccid, untouched for a while, is honestly just a little more than 3” (estimate). But at full erection, 6.5”. If I massaged it out, it’s closer to 4.5” (estimate) flaccid, but otherwise, it shrinks down. I’m finding the all day CR to be helpful though. Keeps it closer to the 4.5” and makes it feel more plump.

I wonder if some gals know about this hangout. Could some even be members?

And I have stopped jerking off. But isn’t it healthy to have regular erections? And does it have a place alongside PE?

Originally Posted by Paulready
I wonder if some gals know about this hangout. Could some even be members?

And I have stopped jerking off. But isn’t it healthy to have regular erections? And does it have a place alongside PE?

Yes. Regularly achieving an erection is vital to sexual and dick health… Look up atrophy.

Originally Posted by Richard65
RazorJack

This type of statements is often made in here and always makes me wonder a little. I know that a lot of people have specific goals they want to achieve - and mostly as fast as possible.

In my humble opinion PE is a game of consistency and patience. The Newbie routine is not only a beginning into PE, it is per se a solid combination of the basic components of PE: stretching and jelqing. Add Kegel exercises to it and you have a proved and quite safe routine to go with.

Now safety is a big concern - all advanced routines include a higher injury risk. My feeling is that a lot think that “advanced means better”. But advanced means advanced, not forcibly better. Just more specific to a single goal.

A lot of Newbies may consider the Newbie routine as mandatory entry process to get to the “real thing” - whatever advanced exercises these may be. I admit my beginning in PE was similar - I wanted to get into pumping as fast as possible.

But the more I learned here the more I am convinced that consistency is a key element. Just imagine you make a 0.25” BPEL and a 0.1” MSEG growth in the first 12 weeks. You then go for clamping (in your situation) and after another 12 weeks you notice 0.2” girth growth (nice and probably desired) but no BPEL growth. My question is then: why did you deselect a routine that brought good results in length AND girth? Attention: this is an example, not a prognosis!

And that’s all about this theory: never change a winning horse. If a routine brings good results, and the PI’s are positive, stick to it unless the results are stalling for at least 1 measuring period of 1 month.

I have to be precise: this is NOT a statement against clamping or any advanced exercises. I just think that a lot of beginners give up a successful routine instead of keeping it and getting good success.

Just my 2 cents

Anyhow: welcome to the club and a big wish for great results.

Richard65

Richard65,

Wonderful advice (I.e., “stick to what is working”). I have read similar advice in multiple other posts. However, somehow I have made the assumption that after 5-6 months the newbie routine would stop working (A bad assumption on my part).

Nonetheless, you’ve pointed it out as precisely as possible, and I sincerely appreciate that. So, here is the new plan. I am going to stick to the newbie routine as long as it works.

By the way, my PIs have been amazing so far. I’ll post my experience in a separate thread about it. I’d most certainly appreciate your views on it.

On a side note, just wondering, are you a Critical Reasoning aficionado? I am asking because I can see the care and effort that has gone into articulating your thoughts as precisely as possible. :)

Thanks,
RazorJack

Just started doing the exercises 2 days ago after reading many threads. Been on the newbie routine except I don’t do kegels because I need to find out how to do them exactly.

Originally Posted by Xaserty
Just started doing the exercises 2 days ago after reading many threads. Been on the newbie routine except I don’t do kegels because I need to find out how to do them exactly.

You can do search mode.

10-13-2013, 09:28 AM
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Crazyant83
I used to be able to do this. In order to get there I performed more than 1000 kegels a day. This included the hardest kegels where you place weight on your erect penis like a towel and keep him pointing upward. And also, every time you urinate, let a little go and then squeeze your PC muscles for some set time (like 10-60 seconds) then let some more go and repeat until your bladder is empty. Normal kegels can be performed anywhere. Vary the duration of time you hold each contraction. That is perform them as fast as possible and also squeeze and hold as long as possible. Give youself 3-6 months. You should notice a significant difference in one month. And what will help you through this is to improve your physical fitness and cardiovascular health.

I am curious, wet jelq or dry jelqing for girth? I would appreciate a good response. I am cut but I am considering trying to dry jelq if it is truly better for girth. Who has gained gain a good amount of girth through wet jelqing and in how long ? Did you empathize pressure in sides of shaft? Did you squeeze hard as hell or light ? Benefits of both ?

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