Linear Newbie Routine

So J123, I have been talking to starter about his progress from your routine. I was doing the regular Newbie Routine for about 6 week and I guess I got discouraged.
Anyway, here is the link where I talked to Starter and other members about my routine and what I was doing. If you could read it and give me your thoughts I would really appreciate it!

viva51 - Done With Newbie Routine, What Now

I think I’m going to give your Linear Routine a try!
Thanks,
Viva.

Thank you for your encouraging words.

Although I am satisfied with the gains, I still have something to improve. That is the low stiffness even when fully erect. Any suggestions for harder erection ?

P.S. Viva needs some help too. Perhaps you can comment on his problem. Thanks.

I read those posts and what I recommend is, that you keep a week break and then start the Linear routine.
It is very light at the beginning, but it is the point. When you add stretches, the 1 per week means, that if you need to add stretches you add max. 1 per week, like this week 1 per direction (down, up, left..), next week 2 per direction and so on, but you don’t have to add stretches if there is no need.
It is only about adding the number of stretches, then there is adding the number of jelqs, how often you do your routine and so on, but those are a different thing.

If you have some questions feel free to ask. Good luck.

Starter47, do you have the stiffness only after a day or two after your workout or is it present always? To short term stiffness there isn’t much to do if you want to PE, it is just a indicator that your penis is healing and if it heals in a day or two there shouldn’t be risk of overdoing. If it is only partially PE related some supplements like B- complex could help.

Thanks J123! I get what you mean that each week you add another stretch like, week one you do 1 stretch in every direction for 30 sec. Each. Then for week two you do 2 stretches in every direction for 30 sec. Each, and 3 stretches for week three and so on. The only thing I do not understand is when you said, “You don’t have to add stretches if there is no need.” I thought you were supposed to add one stretch every week? Why wouldn’t there be a need too?

Also, how hard am I supposed to jelq? Because I know you say keep soft tissue soft. So does this mean I’m not suppose to jelq that hard? In the video of wet jelq that is provided in the video section here, the guy in the video is jelqing pretty hard, obviously to restrict blood flow. I thought that’s the idea, of Jelqing to force large amounts of blood through the penis, to increase internal pressure and creating controlled damage or micro-tears in the structure of the penis.

One more thing is it ok to do kegels on the linear routine, because I think they help.

Thanks J123! Please help me out.
Viva.

I read about JAI stretches, and tried them. They seem to be very very gentle to your penis, so would JAI stretches be a good thing to do in the 2nd to 3rd month of routine? Being so gentle, could I do some JAIs in the rest days or do you think it’s too much?

Another thing, I can’t use lubricant for privacy reasons, so I’ve always dry jelqed. I’ve seen that, as in many other things related to PE, there are two schools about jelqing. Do you think dry jelq is as good as wet jelq? I’m now used to it, so I wouldn’t like to change to wet jelqs.

Thank you in advance.

J123, if you could also tell me why I can’t do any stretching for the first week.

Thanks,
Viva.

J123, I think you misunderstood what I wrote as “stiffness” or I did not express properly. What I really meant by “stiffness” is the “hardness” of the erection. In spite of my success in length and girth, I feel that the unit is not hard enough when fully erect. How can I improve the this and get a harder erection ? I searched the forum and found that Kegeling, Weighted Kegeling, Vacuum Pumping are some of the methods. But I suppose it is too early for me to start those, or at least not before I get some expert advise.
Also, before starting PE I could move the erect penis (I mean the angle) just by tensing the muscle (I think this is what is called Kegeling by tensing the BC muscle) But now, although I can still tense the muscle, the penis doesn’t move as before. By the way, I always had a low erection angle even from the young days (approx. 8 o’clock).
As for your suggestion on B-complex, I have been taking supplements such as fish oil, Ginkgo and B-Complex within the recommended maximum daily dosage or body requirement from the time I started PE.

Viva, I don’t know why you don’t understand the basic idea. As far as I understand, stretching involves the ligs and why J123 recommends to avoid stretching the very first time starting PE is because of the risk of damage. You need to condition your penis first. Actually every PE exercise will damage the cells or ligs to some extent and the idea is not to exceed the damage beyond the speed of cell growth and recovery.

By the way, I answered your questions in your thread at starter47 - Done With Newbie Routine, What Now
I explained about “one stretch”. As J123 wrote here, it means one in each direction. And “one per week” really means that “one stretch each in all five directions” and “per session of that particular week” and not meant as only a single stretch during the whole week. I hope you follow.

The adding stretches max. 1 per week is just maximum number. You might add stretches 1 per week at start, but of course there comes wall ahead at some point. For example adding 1 stretch per week continuously you will end up doing like 50 stretches per direction and I don’t know is that very recommendable anymore.
It is just a maximum number to prevent over enthusiasm and to support safe continuous growth.
You are the one who decides, that do you add another stretch or not.

You can jelq just normally. The keep soft tissue soft means just, that you should aim keeping your penis like it is and not thickening the cells and ligs causing unknown problems and decreased growth from PE. Letting your penis to heal enough supports effectively this goal.

Kegels are fine and it is recommendable to do those.

JAI stretches and dry jelqing are fine, but it is better to do nothing at rest days, so that your penis is resting when it needs rest. Although I prefer wet jelqing in my own routine, dry jelqing is just fine, but it is a little harder to learn and that is why wet jelqing is better for newbies, but that is not a problem in your case.

Starter47 the hardness is what I did mean. Is it continuous problem and do you feel, that does PE cause it?
Kegeling might help to achieve getting harder erections. Simple physical exercises like jogging and walking could be also very helpful in this problem.
I think, that a single PE exercise can’t have a significant help to this problem if it haven’t already happened.
This is most likely a puzzle where you have to get a little effect from there and a little from here to get the result that you want.

Thanks J123,

I have been experiencing less harder erections since about 3 months. So it is not necessarily caused by PE. May be its my age. I have done a testosterone level test and waiting for results. If that’s the reason I have to probably get some supplements. Anyway I will do the physical exercises. May be I should also give up smoking.

Thank J123! It’s hard for me to be like “Ok, I’ll do however many stretches I feel like doing today” when I just came off of the regular Newbie Routine where they had it specifically outline how many I was suppose to do. It’s just the mind set that I have been in for the past 6 weeks so it will take some getting use to.

What I was doing for the 6 weeks I was on the Newbie Routine was not increasing the number of stretches I do but the number of seconds I would hold the stretch for! This is what I was instructed to do by other PEer’s! So basically I only did two stretches! For instance, my first stretch would be in every direction, up, down, right and down, left and down, Rotor Stretch (which is a counter clockwise stretch in all directions) it outline all of this in the video section! Then I would go through it a second time and be done! So I started off with 30 sec. For the stretches in all directions then I would increase it through out the weeks! Until by the 6th week I was holding each stretch for a total of 60 sec. In each direction! So I stretched up for 60 sec., down for 60 sec., etc.. So that’s what I was doing. Is this correct, or was I doing it wrong?

J123, One more thing before I forget! I have talked to other people about this but I just wanted your opinion on it. When I jelq even though I have been circumcised some skin still comes up over the gland of my penis. I have read that pulling the skin back is better for when jelqing. However, people told me that it doesn’t matter if you pull the skin back or not, you will still get the same results! So for the past six weeks I have been wet jelqing and have not been pulling back the skin when I jelq! What do you think?

Also for stretching I have been using the Wenchette for the past 6 weeks! It’s the same thing as the Captain’s Wench. It’s the same thing only it’s 1/2 the width of it, I think it stretches better than the regular Captain’s Wench! What is your take on this? Do you think the Wenchette is ok to use for stretching?

Thanks J123!

Viva51, even the number of stretches is not solid, it is best to be systematic with the number. A little variation doesn’t matter as long you can keep track where you are going and can have a controlled routine and hopefully results. Calculating the time of stretching and increasing it is one way to control the amount of force you use, but very long stretches have a little higher injury risk so be careful if you do so. By the way you can stretch to five directions up, straight out, down, left, right.

It shouldn’t matter how you keep your skin while jelqing as long it is comfortable to you.
Hanging is a bit too extreme method to use with Linear routine. It can make other exercises ineffective so if you want to use Linear routine it is best to leave hanging alone.

Good luck.

Thank J123! Ok so maybe I’ll steer clear of the long stretches and just stick to the 30 sec. Stretches! So how will I know when to add or don’t add stretches? It’s just still weird to me to go on a whim and listen to my body for when I should add stretches since I’m still a newbie and since I just came off a very structured routine. I’m sorry for asking so many questions about stretching, but length is a big deal to me. I have a BPEL of 7.25 but I really want to get a BPEL somewhere between 8 and 8.5, so if you could just bare with me and help me out a little I would really appreciate it.

I think you misunderstood me when I said I used the Wenchette. I do use it but not for Hanging. I use it for Manual Stretching. I use it’s handle to pull not to put weights on it. If you read the thread it says you can use it for both Hanging and Manual Stretching. So is this ok to do?

Thank J123!