Originally Posted by Clubber
It is clearly impossible for me. My OCD battles me and tricks me into to doing more PE. How long do I need to stop PE activities for? Can I do something small, like light pumping or a light clamping session? Is edging and light bends out of the question? Or do I need to just lay off completely? If I can figure this out this may finally work out for me because if what your saying is correct, I only have gained a little over half an inch of girth but over an inch in length. My dick is really long right now from swinging heating pads off my tube while water pumping. My dick still looks like a pencil, even when it gets as low as 5.6 eg, which is as low as I go now on bad erections. Hell, maybe that’s how big I really am though. I don’t want to admit it and I always do a small session of clamping and even 5 minutes of pumping (no edema though) with some squeezes before I judge my size; it’s only fair the way I see it. I just always figured it is stupid to measure a weak erection since my penis physiology is so different now.
Clubber,
I would like to say that I have a great deal of respect for you as a PE’er and fellow forum poster. The reason is because of your dedication, but also because of your insecurities about your size. I have the same issues, and I have went through periods of overdoing fatigue. I recognize the signs, and thats why I pointed them out to you. I still see my penis as somewhat thin, despite it being at over 6 inches EG.
There are a number of things that I want to comment on, from your post.
1. What do you mean about swinging heat pads? This sounds very interesting.
2. How long the OLR phase is depends on how much fatigue you have held during the OLF phase and how high your recovery rate is. The more fatigue you cause in the OLR phase, the longer it will be. This might actually be beneficial, but from my experiences, it seems that grow is WITNESSED during the OLR phase (suddenly you note growth when it’s fully recovered), but CAUSED during the OLF phase. So the ideal is to push your recovery rate as high as possible, and this is one of my focuses. This might mean cardiovascular excersize, heat therapy during the OLR phase, better nutrition, etc. The higher your recovery, the more fatigue you can incur in the OLF phase, and the faster you can recover in the OLR phase.
3. One important note: the temporary girth expansion from doing five minutes of pumping, a session of clamping, etc. is not growth. Don’t try to just keep doing this because eventually the gains will “cement.” They won’t. Think of it this way: the more expansion you have, the more growth will be TRIGGERED - the expansion won’t just cement. It has to be triggered by greater stresses, so the body can adapt. Correct? So try to get away from the mentality that “if I don’t do something, it will shrink.” Do something, get it larger in EG than it has ever been, do that several times for a period of time until the fatigue is too high (this fatigue limit has to be set by you through trial and error), and then STOP. Recover, let the body adapt. If you go TOO high in fatigue you will get injury. If you carry the fatigue for too long, it simply won’t be able to grow.
I believe this is the reason long sessions of mediocre clamping have not yielded gains (Sparkyx ran a trial before, check out the thread). Same thing for cock rings. Keeping the penis engorged does not cause girth gains. What causes girth gains is getting the penis more engorged (with blood, though lymph isn’t necessarily a bad thing) than it has been, past its natural EG, and then recovering. Play with fatigue incurred per day, play with the limit of fatigue (the point at which you say I need to enter the OLR phase), play with the amount of recovery in the OLR phase (1 set of clamping or pumping or nothing?), play with all the variables listed in the original post. I don’t have the answers. The point is that you need to try it and see. And this isn’t because of individual differences, it’s because we don’t have any empirical trials and honestly don’t KNOW what’s optimal. I originally thought, for example, that 2 weeks of OLF may be optimal, and I should reach a point very close to injury. Then I discovered that it wasn’t optimal, I should use shorter periods (2-3 days), and go less close to injury.
This is the fun part. If you can maximize the way you play with recovery and fatigue, and give it time (years), and vary the stimuli (pumping, clamping, bends, jelqing) through phases, you can reach your goals over time. It’s important to know WHY you are doing things, so you can personal test out your hypothesis always - PE is a work in construction for all of us, it will take years to reach our goals, so we need to understanding what works and what doesn’t (for us, individually), so that we don’t run around in circles.
Note: I might post a thread in the pumping forum soon describing my method of water pumping. You may find it beneficial, check it out later, I hope you may be able to add anything you’ve learned.