After looking at all these dicks

If I may. I’d liken the journey to living in poverty. I’m tired of living day-to-day, paycheck to paycheck wondering if I’m going to make it. I want a better job, a better life. A friend tells me to go see Fred on the corner of Wilshire and Thomas, “He knows what you need to do. My cousin says his nephew’s fiance’s sister knows a guy who has used him and he done it.” You go meet the guy and he says, “A pshychic tells me these numbers will win the $100M jackpot lottery, but it’ll cost you $100. If they don’t hit, I guarantee the next numbers will hit and I’ll give you at a discount of $50.” Another friend tells me, “Come to my house and let me show you what I did.” You go over, he’s shows you bank statements of his debt and credit card statements from 5-10 years ago. Then, he shows you his current debt and accounts. He then says, “Take a Dave Ramsey” seminar and listen to him, to see what I saw, then come back to me and I’ll show you step by step what I did to get where I’m at following him. It’s going to take 5 years or so and a lot of hard work.” Which path are you going to follow? My dick and bank account have several things in common: They’re both precious to me, I don’t want to squander resources that could be damaging, and I want both to grow. What I’m saying is there are both types of folks in the PE world. The latter is very hard to find. I’ve tried everything trying to figure it out for 20+ years. From my perspective, I’m tired of trials and failures. There are doctor-documented trials where 100% of folks gained steadily and measurably similar. I’m hoping to find that someday. In the meantime, I’m trying to emulate that methodology used while hunting for the diligent members here for support and guidance. I’m going to document my case so if I fail, folks will know what I did to fail. If I succeed, they’ll know what I’ve done. I’m thinking I’m on the Dave Ramsey route, but I haven’t given it the proper effort over a long period of time. Are you with Dave or Fred? There’s a whole lot of folks here that play the lottery. All they see is the “BIG Prize” so many Fred’s promise.

I like your analogy, I definitely understand your frustration, but as you probably know your case is one of only a few, most who don’t gain don’t put the consistency in or listen to their bodies enough.
As I said, it seems some people don’t gain whatever they do, I certainly hope you’re not one of them, and I don’t feel legitimate to give any advice as you’ve been in the field for so long. BUt just looking at threads like ” less is more” , or the one on positive indicators, it seems to me everything is there. You need to find your own sweet spot (if it exists), perhaps you’re doing too much, or changing far too often? And giving up because of frustration.
I believe only one thing will be sure to help you, it’s easy to say, but not easy to do. Remove the frustration, accept yourself for who you are, find a woman who loves you, if you already spent 2 decades in frustration that sounds like an awful lot. Life is short man, don’t wait for some holy grail to feel better, work on yourself and make yourself feel better, that’s the only stuff you can be sure you’ll have very positive results with.
Confidence isn’t related to your size , how you perceive yourself is the most important, what you do to earn your self esteem, the respect you have for your as a whole human being.
Ditch porn if you watch it, forget about the others and focus on you, this is what matters .

Ok end of the life lesson lol!

Did you try jelqing?

There’s plenty of proof that this thing works. If you stay consistent and really listen to your sick I believe the vast majority will grow. Pictures aren’t needed for grow, consistency is the foundation of gains.

Absolutely do not believe that I’m one of the few. I absolutely believe I’m not sure one way or another. I’m an older guy. I learned a long time ago not to believe everything people say. Recently, was spammed by a guy who comes here touts expertise, flames, get’s banned, and comes back with another name. Should I believe him? I have read tons of cases of guys who I feel are here because they like the adulation or the perception of authority. They like answering questions and providing theory. It’s mostly nonsense and distraction. There is a thread here of tons of cases of fantastic gainers. Very good work putting it together. Guess what they have in common. No proof. All of those fantastic claimers and no one documented the journey??However, look through the numbers of folks with beginning pics, those dedicated to saying what they’re doing, yet do not continue after a period of time. Don’t know why they quit, but they’re reasoning for starting if often very real and they’re hopeful. Who is more legitimate? Honestly, I don’t know that answer, but I can surely tell you from experience first-hand. Humans are very odd and their behaviors are very odd. Don’t believe everything everybody says! It’s beyond foolish. The thing I wish I could change on TP is the lack of accountability. If you direct someone or help them with something potentially dangerous, such as PE methodology, you have a responsibility to lead by example. Examples are just that. Something someone can see. Maybe you and I can help start improving this by not giving credence to nonsense and being an example. I haven’t read your history or progress thread yet or seen your pics. All I know is that you are pretty new and seem like a caring guy. I am essentially new too. Let’s both lead. This I believe to be truth: In the very few doctor-documented studies, 100% of guys gained under the exact same methodology. Elaborated on, many different guys did exactly the same thing with exactly the same equipment, and they all showed positive results—amazingly positive results. This is what I always hope to find here at TP, an emergence of tirals and tribulations into proven methodology. Walter, I appreciate your concern. I do enjoy the support side of TP too. Makes me feel good. I’m loved by my wife beyond measure, I’m successful by most standards, I love life, and I’m always positive. This little nagging piece of me doesn’t define me or cripple me. Just something to improve if I can you know. By the way, I enjoy porn once in a while. Why would I give it up! :O)

Hey Monty responding to your post about finances top of page. I don’t know how you manage or budget your money but this is what I do know ,more money will never solve a spending problem, sounds simple almost like a cliche , but it is the fundamental principle for building wealth . And it takes time to get that part into your personality which is then played out into your lifestyle.

Monty after reading page 3 of this thread in regards to seeing a picture as proof or assurance that growth is possible. Can you prove by a picture that your not a female , so if you post a picture of a penis how do we know its yours , does that prove that your not a female. Monty all I am trying to say is that there has to be in element of trust in everything or else this world we live in could not function. That more money you want more of is backed by absolutely nothing tangible, but the trust or confidence of the American people period , and when that is gone , depression is an under statement. Pictures prove nothing.

Ok cool the way you put it earlier I thought you had been frustrated on this for 20 years! Glad you weren’t.

I see things differently, I don’t give a shit about the big gainers, many of them are probably full of shit (O bends is an example I have my doubts about).

The thing is, I don’t care. I see free information, I see helpful and nice people (I ignore instantly the so called messiah like DLD ), and I exchange with them and try by myself to see if I can get this working.
I want to grow and to have so many progress threads and plenty of positive results (not huge results, but still plenty have gains), all of this for free, it light the spark, if there is a possibility I’ll try my luck.

I don’t care about taking pics, you can fake girth measurement, may not have the same EQ, may measure fluid build up etc.. And , I have no intentions to tell every one come and grow a bigger one, I’ll try to help the ones who really want to give it a go the best I can, and I’ll appreciate any gains I get.

I’m in there for my self improvement and to share with an interesting community.

By the way I recently joined (tried to years ago but no new members were allowed), but I have been a member of pegym for a while (popol5169).

To be brutally honest, I didn’t think this could work either. Actually I still don’t 100%, however the ruler clearly says otherwise even just 60 days in (0.45 longer and 0.1-0.2 thicker).

There wasn’t much else recommended as “possible” or “viable” then. I got up to well over 500 daily. I don’t have a log. It may have been closer to 1000. I increased more and more with every lack of gains. I surely didn’t start off that high. They included versions of dry, wet, partial pulls, full pulls, vaseline, lotion, aloe, 2 second strokes, 3 second strokes, various erection levels, etc, etc. before someone at Thunder’s labeled some of them a cutie name. They are just natural “I’ll try anything” variables. For example, at work, you can’t quickly lube up and have at it. Shit, I did them at work too! These were all my first attempts. Went through thrombosed vein, busted capillaries regularly, bruising, sore head, friction burns, and I’m sure more. I think maybe I got a touch of girth in a baseball bat form. I don’t remember being totally baseball bat like. I didn’t measure girth then nor do I really care to now which is why I can’t call it a gain in girth. I have a faint hope of trying for girth if I realize some length gain. I also fabricated two dowels tied together to add extra pressure. I can’t remember what they called it then. I added padding later ‘cause that hurt a bunch. Did a similar “V” device and I’m almost positive others that didn’t go far in the Jelq realm. Not all of it was as wreckless as this all sounds here. If you give intensity to these things, this stuff can certainly happen. I want to clarify on the thrombosed vein. I called it that, but it was a hardening of the vein near the base on the left side. I’m not 100% certain it was just Jelq. I was also doing a variation of clamping using my robe tie as the constrictor during a portion of the Jelq history. Could have been that. I got a cable clamp quite a bit later on. In my Jelq history, I primarily broke up the session into two periods of the day, early morning and early evening. I jelq’d so much, I had near-pump fluid build-up. It made me feel positive until measurements said, “No way stupid.”

Just for fun in my history: My first attempt at PE was a sock hanging a crowbar at 15 or so. I’ll share as my poor memory bursts forward in other areas.

Heres the way Monty. What works for you…period.

True with the key fact that a person isn’t disciplined. You have to understand discipline in every aspect of you life. Most take the “Fudge it!” approach. I’m a retired financial planner. I won’t give advice on TP so no one ask.

I’ve been here nearly ten years and still find it hard to believe until I measure. I’ve been close to this size for 2-3 years and it seems like I was always this way until I measure. Then I remember all of the time invested once I found what works for me. Never dreamed it would work this well.

DLD has a bad rep? Wow. Haven’t heard that one. I’m not a member of his site. Is that “Matters of Size?” Or, is he the one selling hangers…besides bigger I mean. It doesn’t matter to me really. Just a flash back. Walter, I’m not promising you I’ll lead you down the path to success, but I promise to be honest. I’d love to keep in contact. I’d suggest you getting pics up. While you might not care, you have an opportunity to help someone else in your journey on their terms. I promise you, keeping accurate records will help you too. Bennet8 and BHcentral are two that keep/kept after it that are positive for me. I’m sure they aren’t the only ones by far. I’m still looking for more and was hoping you’d join in. I want you to join me. If not, as they say “blessed be.”

When I started PE (and for quite a while after!) phones made calls and some could text short messages, with multiple presses of each number key to find the letter you wanted. They were not camera phones. Digital cameras did exist but were expensive, and I didn’t own one.
I sure wasn’t about to take dick pick on a film camera and send it to some lab for processing, then take regular follow up photos just so I could show them to some guys on a dick pulling forum so they could see how much my dick had grown. Because I have no starting pics, I have deliberately avoided, in many thousands of posts, ever talking about the size of my dick, because I have no ‘proof’ to offer anyone. Do I care? No. I am a very happy man.

To most guys who doubt if PE is possible, I say go and try it for yourself. Does that mean everyone is going to grow huge? No, it doesn’t. When I was in my teens and early 20s I was really into bodybuilding - bear in mind this was before Windows, let alone being able to plug a 56k modem into the side of your computer to get stock prices, which is about all there was on the . certainly there were no bodybuilding forums or YouTube!

Did I grow much from all the hours I spent in the gym? No I didn’t. Why? Partly because my bone structure wasn’t heavy enough to have large muscle insertions, but also because all there was out there were magazines with the pro’s workouts and mostly pre-contest diets listed. Result? I massively over-trained and under ate. I ended up thinking that every guy who ever put muscle on was a genetic freak and that ‘normal’ guys like me just didn’t grow, that it was mega-rare that anyone would.

Lots of years later I dumped the water packed tuna for oil packed, I stopped cutting the fat off my steaks, and I started drinking a gallon of milk a day and just doing squats, benches and heavy rows. I grew. I thought I knew so much about bodybuilding because it had been an obsession since I first saw Sergio Oliva leaning against a sledge hammer, looking massive, and I’d gone out of my way to read everything I could. Eating ‘unhealthily’ was incredibly counter intuitive to me.
For a PEer not gaining, taking a year off for a proper deconditioning break, then starting with a super light newbie routine may seem counter intuitive, but that’s what I had to do after I started clamping too early and turned my dick into a piece of steel that wouldn’t grow.
If one person can do something, it’s likely others can too. But most guys give up too soon. They try. They fail. Maybe they try another method and fail. Then they give up and cry bullshit. They say the same thing should work for everyone. It doesn’t. Some guys go into a gym, look at a weight, and stack on muscle. Others struggle for years until they find what works for them. Collagen varies between different people. Some guys are naturally flexible, some are not. Etc.

The easiest response if you are not gaining is to say it’s all bullshit and that it’s only rare guys that gain. Don’t make your failures other people’s fault. There will be guys who just don’t gain enough to make it worth the effort, just as ectomorphs struggle in the gym. And believe me I know about that. But I’m not going to cry bullshit just because I didn’t make it to the local champs, let alone the Olympia stage.