Clamping: Advanced Empirical Discussion

Lol, yes I can see how it would appear that I must be doing something wrong, and for the first few months I agree that I probably was. I would also like to add that in the 13 months of consistent PE prior to clamping I only gained 1/16” in EG, and that is with lots of variations in jelquing time, intensity, erection levels, etc. I tried 440s, and even chemical PE with IGF-1 with basically no gains. So I do believe that girth gains may always come slower for me.

In the first 3 months or so of clamping I was only doing 2-3 sets per day and my sets were only about 7-8 minutes in the clamp. I have always responded better in length gains when I took very few days off so I did the same with clamping. I just think that I simply was not clamping long enough to see gains. In the past 3-4 months I have gained 1/8” in EG which is more than I had gained in nearly 1.5 years of PE previously so I do believe I am doing things much more correct at this point. I increased my TUC to 8-10 minutes per set and have been doing 3-4 sets per day probably 6 days per week for the past 3-4 months. I did have a 2 week period where I was inconsistent due to girl issues, and I feel if I had stayed consistent then my gains would be even better at this point. Bottom line is that I actually have made good gains lately compared to what I was used to.

1. I use the white cable clamp (small), due to my small girth. The medium is just too big unless I use a lot of wrap, although at this point it might be almost time to buy one as my base has gained more than my mid-shaft.

2. I use the tape that sticks to itself and not the skin, although I actually prefer it when it gets worn out and doesnt even stick to itself. I just put the clamp over it and tighten to hold it all in place. It’s very comfortable although I am looking into purchasing an air clamp.

3. I attach the clamp when I am fairly soft, then i tighten it some an kegel in blood until I am close to 100% erect then I tighten 1 more click. I have tried various levels of tightenss and measured my clamped girth to find the optimal constriction, and yes I also try pushing the clamp into the body.

4. I have rarely ever gotten any spotting from clamping/jelquing/440’s no matter how intense my sessions are. I have not noticed much in terms of permanent discoloration but I certainly get much darker while clamped.

5. I don’t prevent outflow completely, the clamp is moderately tightened, but I do feel a lot of internal pressure and soreness while I’m clamping and I maintain a 100% erection with kegels and watching porn. I do get a good feeling of fatigue and soreness, it feels productive. The engorgement is about 1/4” above usual EG. This is much more than I get from jelquing or any other girth work, although I cant really measure it when doing 440’s.

6. Yes I do get the fatigue feeling. I think early on I was not getting that feeling. I was only doing 2-3 sets per day and about 7-8 minutes TUC for the first few months. Now I have increased both and feel more fatigue and have seen more gains.

7. I started off doing 2-3 sets per day, 7-8 minutes TUC, usually 5 or 6 on, 1 or 2 off. Now it has increased to 3-4 sets per day, 8-10 minutes TUC and also I do some 440’s in between sets.

8. My gains have occured in the past 3-4 months, after increasing TUC, frequency, and adding in a few 440’s per day.

So I think maybe we can all agree that by increasing my TUC and/or frequency of sets for a period of time, then recovering and repeating, I could see better gains. This is why I was interested in testing this OLF/OLR hypothesis while also increasing my TUC to help facilitate gains. I have been doing basically the same routine for months now other than the small increase in sets and TUC, but I think using the techniques hypothesized in this thread may be exactly what I need to jump start more gains.

I also just received some generic cialis and would be interested in trying the EVO oil throughout the day as well to see if that aids in recovery and gains.

Of course. Sparkyx, I am not testing the validity of it personally. That’s why I am using multiple variables :) .

The Man, I’ll reply to you a bit later. In fact, how’s about you post on The Experiment forum thread that marinera and I started. You can be our first candidate!

Thanks LV I would love to try this out and help add to the knowledge base of clamping and hopefully see some gains myself! I have a few ideas I would love to offer in terms of a routine along the lines of what has been outlined in this thread if thats ok. I know you and/or marinera probably have an exact routine you would like me to try but if I could offer some ideas and we could come up with something we all feel good about that would be great. Should I post my thoughts here, on the other thread or via pm?

I think you can post here, The Man. And your experience has to be taken into account, since probably you know your specific body better than we do. :)

Go ahead here :)

Thanks for your response, from what I read here it looks like youre not doing much wrong lately, you seem to be reaching fatigue with your sets and see more gains which is good.

I honestly believe you will see more gains as you increase the amount of sets per day and maybe, TUC. So it would indeed be nice to see this “experiment” from you.

Great, thanks guys. For myself personally I would love to extend the the OLF stage some, because I feel that for myself it will take more than 2 weeks to see solid gains even if I do increase TUC and follow the hypothesized guidelines. I do feel that this routine should be a great change and should produce some gains but I have always had a tough time with girth so I think a little extra time would be good to help evaluate effectiveness. I would also like to be able to take advantage of the weekends and clamp more often then if possible, but that’s not necessary. If it’s ok with you guys I would like to try 12 minutes TUC right now. I have been using 8-10 minutes for the past few months so this is a 2-4 minute increase which alone should be very beneficial. I don’t think I would be ready for more time then that for a while.

How do you guys feel about condensing the OLF/OLR and repeating it for a set amount of weeks? Here is an example:

Thursday: 4 sets
Friday: 4 sets
Saturday: 10 sets
Sunday: 10 sets
Monday: 2 sets
Tuesday: 1 set
Wednesday: 4 set

Here you see a non-linear approach that is condensed into 1 week and could be repeated. 4 sets at 12 min TUC is probably my maximum per day without carrying fatigue. So this approach has a few days right at the edge of not carrying fatigue with 4 sets, then bump it up on Saturday and Sunday, causing my body to adapt to the large increase in frequency, and also carry fatigue over to the next day(s). Then I could drop it down to 1 or 2 sets for a couple of days as the OLR stage and repeat this for a few weeks or maybe longer? I don’t think the body would adapt to this as quickly since the frequency changes almost daily.

Another possibility with this plan is to slowly increase sets over a number of weeks, so week 2 you could add a couple of extra sets here and there and slowly increase overall frequency for a number of weeks before having one week of light clamping to recover completely. After this maybe we could repeat it all over but increase TUC by 1-2 minutes.

Or I can do a plan like LV had outlined, although I would probably need more frequency since I would like to try using 12 mins TUC on the first go around.

First few days: 3 sets/day
Next few days: 4 sets/day
Week 2: 5 sets/day
Week #3: 6-7 sets/day

Then week 4 could be my OLR where I do 1-2 sets per day to recover completely.

What do you guys think? Any opinions on which would be more effective?

Maybe I could try all of them at some point.

Promise: I’m not going to go anymore in the details of a specific clamping routine - I’m not an expert of clamping, and I think is fair to give to LV all the play- field on this experiment. :D

So said: I think you got the basic scheme of the “system”, The Man.

Now I would like to know if you are planning to use some erections enhancers to acclompish the experiment, or you do think to be able to stand the huge amount of work of your first example (up to 10 sets) without any supplements/medicine?

>>How do you guys feel about condensing the OLF/OLR and repeating it for a set amount of weeks? Here is an example:

Thursday: 4 sets

Friday: 4 sets

Saturday: 10 sets

Sunday: 10 sets

Monday: 2 sets

Tuesday: 1 set

Wednesday: 4 set <<

I’d do a even more ondulating routine:

1st week:

Thursday: 4 sets

Friday: 3 sets

Saturday: 6 sets

Sunday: 4 sets

Monday: 8 sets

Tuesday: 2 set

Wednesday: rest

total sets for week 1 : 27

2d week:

Thursday: 6 sets

Friday: 3 sets

Saturday: 9 sets

Sunday: 5 sets

Monday: 10 sets

Tuesday: 3 sets

Wednesday: rest

total sets for 2d week : 36

3d week

Thursday: 2 sets

Friday: 4 sets

Saturday: rest

Sunday: 5 sets

Monday: 1 sets

Tuesday: 3 sets

Wednesday: rest

total sets : 17

and, as you see, to cause a more pronounced ‘rebound’, I’d take at least a day off every week.

Finally, to be sure that your previous work is not influencing the experiment, I think at least one week of total rest before starting is advisable.

Yes, when I’m clamping I do watch porn and use a couple of techniques to stay erect. I’ve done 6 sets today and have been able do stay hard through all of the sets. 6 is the most I’ve ever done in a day and so far so good but 10 would be tough on back to back days, maybe 8 would be good for a limit at first. I actually just received some Cialis as well and tried it for the first time last night. I dont have any EQ issues but wanted to try it out just to see what effect it would have and I love it. I stay hard much longer which will also help with this.

I like the plan that you outlined above. I would love to add a 3rd week where I increase the volume again, then the 4th week I could go light to recover completely. I really feel I’ll need 3 weeks of OLF to see solid gains before my week of recovery. The only reason it would be tough to do the exact plan above is that on Monday-Thursday its tough to get more than 5 sets in per day due to work, and other obligations. But I could still vary the frequency along the lines of what you and I have proposed. I can gradually increase volume over 3 weeks then have a week of much less volume to recover. After this I could start it again but possibly increase TUC depending on my results.

Anyone else wanna add to this? I think any routine along these lines would be helpful to increase the knowledge base and begin testing this system. What I like about this plan is that is that every week is a mini OLF/OLR inside of a 4 week long OLF/OLR. Very interesting and fun to discuss this stuff.

A 4-weeks (three weeks progressively heavier, one lighter) macrocycle is the most used lenght in periodization, also. Of course, as the basic principles are observed, the lenght can vary. I’d say that, in a nutshell, the concepts of this approach are:

1) planned overwork in a brief period of time;
2) jumps in progression;
3) nesting.

Is it just me guys, or is what you are trying to do inherently very dangerous? Using drugs and clamps to essentially synthesise the effects of a priapism - that can’t be good and if it goes wrong you could end up ruining what you have - is it really worth the risks? The complications can be devastating.

Have you considered that you may be messing with stuff that you don’t really understand?

I don’t want to see people get hurt. Just a voice of reason in the wilderness …..

lil1 :lep:

For someone who hasn’t clamped or PE’ed very long this would not be a good place to start but I’m confident that I can tackle a routine like this without a great risk of injury. I don’t need to use cialis or anything else, but I do have some which might be helpful for the weekend sessions when my volume of clamping is likely higher. EVO (which is aroset’s mixture, correct?) appears safe and effective for healing so that should help with everything. In the 2nd and 3rd weeks where my volume is higher, the risk for injury would be greater but having lighter days to recover and a week of light clamping at the end of it all will hopefully be sufficient. I think that a lot of people clamp similarly to this even if it’s not intended. The cialis and EVO are just ideas to add a little extra but by no means necessary.

We always have room for a voice of reason, the last thing anyone wants is an injury while PE’ing.

I’m very surprised no one has mentioned to you to take a break.

If someone is weightlifting and they don’t see gains for 7 months, it’s time to take a break. No question about it. I don’t think your penis could be anymore conditioned. You could definitely try shock workouts, but I believe that will just condition your penis more. Maybe you might gain, but a deconditioned penis is easier to grow more than a conditioned one.

Just trying to help out a fellow TP member :)