Originally Posted by mravg
I just read this whole thread and here are my questions/thoughts:
1. To do this light clamping for one or two hours, are you laying around masturbating with your pants down the whole time, or can you maintain enough of an erection while going about your business?
2. Why would anything less than 100% erection have any effect on size? If you are not 100%, there really is not significant internal pressure to expand the tissue, right?
3. I understand the goal of trying to achieve enough of a sustained engorgement for growth without damage. In my mind however, I see it much more likely to achieve damage without growth. For example, clamping at less than 100%, causes no stretching, yet still limits venous outflow enough to cause a state of hypoxia.
4. I have found that clamping produces significant “faux” gains caused by skin swelling and lymph build up, or whatever, and that taking a breeak for a week or two will be enough for these gains to disappear. So, I wonder how much of these impressive initial gains are real.
I think we have to divide our thinking into 2 camps.
One, using force to expand the tissues.
Two, stimulating some sort of growth.
Ideally, I think you need to find a force where it SLIGHTLY overlaps.
I’ve been reading on priapapism…it is usually described as “a painful erection”…this is most likely from a harder than normal erection.
The real damage occurs from lack of oxygen for prolonged periods and acidosis of the blood.
So, we know that this WILL cause a massive increase of size…but also massive tissue damage.
So, backing down that continuum…what would it take to get modest sustained gains with little to no damage?
I don’t know. Thats what were trying to determine.
As far as damage…I think its safe to say if you go towards discoloration and coldness…you should limit it to 10 minutes…the majority of clampers here tend to indicate this is a safe range.
However, I truly wonder if even this range doesn’t cause fibrosis due to the oxygen depletion.
I was reading some of Drillas stuff and pics…I don’t think he ever uses the “purple dick” method…he appears to be clamping at a pressure that allows normal color….hence normal oxygen…I may be wrong.
So, what if you maintain a 90% erection for an hour or two…do you think this will stress the tissues? I think it will…will it be enough to expand them?
Maybe…for some.
What if you add another 1-2 hours at 50-70% erection…will it expand the tissues? I don’t think so. Will it stimulate a growth mechanism? Maybe.
Is it enough to “hold” the tissues in an expanded state while it “heals”…maybe.
Some have reported that they believed times of prolonged sex over a period of months, led to some gains.
Others said they went through the same thing and saw no changes.
Is it possible the natural tissue toughness of the individual had an effect? Of course.
Is it possible the roughness of the sex had some effect too? Of course.
I know myself, there has been times where my dick was achy…like pe achy, after a wild weekend.
If I let it recover completely before repeating the process, could it have resulted in growth? Maybe.
Personally I think if we can use JUST enough forces to expand the tissue, but not enough to cause contraction…thats the key.
I think this is done with slightly more than your normal erection for a short time…then back off with a lesser force to MAINTAIN that expansion for at least 20 minutes.
I have been experimenting with a modest PRE EXPANSION force, like ADS or ADC first…THEN use the higher force to push the tissue boundaries….THEN back down to a lower force to fulfill the 20-30 minutes…and actually I found 2-3 hours best for the force level I use.
This allows me to use less expansive forces…therefore same stretch with LESS force/time…hence, less “healing” time needed…allowing more “growth” time.
Its like BG says…”never let it turtle”.
But what if the forces you use cause it to turtle for days?
I think that is like 2 steps forward and 3 steps back.
What if it only contracts for a short period of time, and during that time you keep it in an extended state with a force that doesn’t further irritate the tissue.
If you do that, I believe recovery and growth can occur in the same day…not be pushed days down the line…and thus never really get a chance to occur.
I think this is ideal for sustained gains…daily mild to moderate forces, from which you cycle STIMULATE…RECOVER…GROW.
So, I think there are some possibilities here…we are looking to see what results from these experiments.
I’m glad were doing this…and time will tell whether it has potential…or just ANOTHER pe dead end.