Originally Posted by redworm
LOL, gross!
I’m with you, man. It freaked me out a little too.
Originally Posted by TaurusMale
Originally Posted by sta-kool
Are you unable to tolerate AAKG? Because that is an excellent supplement.I get 500g for about $25.00. I take around 6g a day.
http://www.vita cost.com/NSI-AA … lutarate-Powder
That’s a decent deal.
Originally Posted by TaurusMale
I haven’t tried it yet just standard L-Arginine HCI - what is the difference?
Absorption.
You have to take a boat-load more of L-Arginine HCI to get the same level of effects.
The bonded forms of AAKG and, alternatively, Arginine Ethyl Ester have the net effect of being more powerful by weight by virtue of being more easily absorb-able; a dose is between 2-3 grams instead of 6-10 grams.
Plain Arginine’s absorption through the intestines is limited, causing Arginine to be rapidly degraded, leaving only small quantities to produce the desired effects. You need to consume quite a bit more base Arginine to see any results.
Ester-fication (Arginine Ethyl Ester ) or bonding with alpha ketoglutarate (Arginine Alpha Keto-Glutarate or AAKG) overcomes typical Arginine limitations, ensuring that the Arginine absorbs optimally and is available for its ergogenic properties. So, you basically need less of Arginine Ethyl Ester (about 2.5g per dose) or AAKG, (about 3g per dose) compared to base Arginine to produce similar results.
In my opinion, all Arginine supplements taste nasty, for that reason I like to take them either in gel-cap or tablet form or, if powder, flavored in some way.( Jack 3D is pretty good, like grape and watermelon - watch out though: massive caffeine, creatine, and alanine in that formula).
This is a cheap bulk site for various raw powders: Pure Bulk .
Straight Arginine can cause upset stomach/nausea at workable dosage and for some folks it triggers attacks of diarrhea as well (Whoo-hoo!).
Personally I prefer Arginine Ethyl Ester. It seems to absorb a little faster for me. Click here to see the brand I take: SNI's Arginine Ethyl Ester
That bottle lasts about a month and half if I take two servings a day; a month if I do three a day.
Arginine of most types will irritate people with herpes or who are prone to rashes and skin ailments, like eczema or psoriasis. Look forward to more out breaks.
Originally Posted by TaurusMale
But what I am really looking for is a topical vasodilator that can be rubbed on the penis vs taken internally.
Maxoderm type products?
Originally Posted by TaurusMale
I understand there are pharma preparations but I haven’t heard of a natural formula.
Natural?
Originally Posted by TaurusMale
My thought is some combination of L-Arginine, Yohimbine, Ginko and maybe Minoxidil. I’ve prepared a batch and will test it tonight. I doubt that it will penetrate the skin well enought without DMSO to be absorbed in the blood stream.
Uh, Minoxidil? Hmm… That idea and the Rogaine idea creep me out. It just sounds… icky, I gotta be honest.
We aren’t going to see a "HELP! I have a big, hairy penis!" thread are we?
It strikes me that those products are pretty far from a ‘natural’ approach.