Is LESS more, or is MORE more?

Hi Forward, welcome to Thunders and keep up the good work!

I think this post really adds to what you have just said…

There are so many mixed opinions about penile enlargement, especially on this board. Some have seen fantastic gains in as little as 2 month, while others have seen nothing after 6 months. Some have erections of steel, while others have a harder time attaining an erection.

As to date, I have gained 2 + inches, most of it being in the last 3 months. Basically, I look at my penis the same way as if it where any other muscle in my body, and take into consideration all the factor that determine muscle growth.

Have you ever been to a gym before, then stopped going, and returned a year later?? What do you usually see? Well, for argument’s sake, let’s say everyone that was there a year ago is still there. You will have some people who have gained a tremendous amount of weight, while others have gained very little, and most have gained nothing at all. Why? Were they not working out?? Yes, but one must realize that there are so many factors that need to be there in order to make growth possible. You cannot expect growth just because you do the exercises. All the exercise does is stimulate growth. Once you’ve done that, you must give your body what it needs to be able to achieve growth. Genetics will play a part as to how fast you will grow, but regardless of your genetics, EVERYBODY is capable of growth.

The 2 most common reasons why people attain very little to no growth.

1. Your Diet
2. Overtraining

The most important factor of all, and I cannot stress this enough is your DIET!!!!!! 90% of people have a terrible diet, your penis will not grow if you are not giving it the raw materials it needs too grow no matter how perfect your training is!! No breakfast, fast food, lack of vitamins and minerals, lack of proper calories, essential fat, protein, and the list goes on. I can go to the gym, do everything right, but if I do not have the proper diet, I will gain NOTHING!!! and could even end up losing weight, the same goes for your penis. So if you are serious about growth, look at your diet very carefully. Adding a multi vitamin will not solve your problem. If you don’t have the proper diet, a multi V. will do very little for you. Yes, they are important, but there are many other factors to one’s diet that must be looked at.

Overtraining. Your biggest enemy. So many people are under the impression more is better. I see time and time again, people who go to the gym, and have the mentality that the more I do, the faster, and the bigger I’ll grow. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I am 5’9”, at a competition weight of around 210, 5 % BF, 21” arms, 55” chest. And I do less sets and reps than 95% of the people in the gym. Why?? Simple, to attain growth you need to stimulate your muscle, telling it to grow, right?? Let’s take my biceps for example. I do three sets. 1 warmup set, one heavier set, and the last set I will do to absolute failure. (You must have INTENSITY on the last set) What have I just done? I have put my muscle under stress that it is not used to, hence, it will adapt. How will it adapt, by growing. You only need that one set to stimulate growth. If I were to continue and do 3, 4, 6 more sets, the only thing that I am doing at this point, is tearing it down more. I am doing nothing to increase growth. So my body will need more nutrition, hormones, as well as time just to repair the muscle. My point being, MORE IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER!!

What happens when you work a muscle, is that you tear it down. Then your body goes in, repairs the damage that was done, THEN after that it will grow. If your body has not finished it’s repairs on the muscle, and then you work it out again, your are overtraining. There will be little to no growth. Your body is going to work hard and struggle just to repair itself. So if I preform 10 sets instead of 3, then I may be doubling the time it takes to repair my muscle before it can adapt. So why would you do more, when it only slows (or stops) gains??

There are two types of overtraining. Localized (Just a specific muscle) or your entire body. With penile enlargement, you obviously only overtrain locally.

My point to this post is this. Most people on this program are lacking the two most important factors that determine growth. Diet, and proper exercise. Don’t take this manual and follow it to the T. Experiment. Find out what works for you. Everyone is different, so you cannot set a guideline that will work for everyone. I have experimented with this program. For the first month on this program, everyday my sex drive would go down, my erection got weaker and my stamina got worse. So instead of continuing the program (as so many people do), I stopped and analyzed why I was going downhill instead of up. My biggest mistake, I did exactly what the manual told me. So after months of experimenting, I am now having excellent gains from this program. 2 + inches in length, 1 inch in girth, harder erection than ever before, and stamina has much improved.

This is now my routine.

6 day’s a week:

5-10 mins hot wrap before and after
10-15 mins of jelqing, that’s it!

I usually never go over 10 min. But I make it an intense 10 minutes. Hard, slow jelqs. And I make sure that when I do my strokes, that my penis expands bigger than normal. I find that sometimes when I am not erect enough, I can still jelq, but I don’t expand beyond normal size. You must make it bigger than normal in order to attain growth. I also find that I need to be around 80% erect to achieve gains, not 50-60% as I was told, this may be different for you.

Now I only do stretching 2-3 times a week, and no more than 5 min per session. I found that to much stretching, as well as pulling to hard was the biggest factor in my ED.

Kegels, in the manual, it says you can never do to many of these. Bullshit!!! Don’t ever listen to that. You can!! I do a good set of kegles every 2 days. It took me about 1 month before I found out how to truly isolate the muscle, unless you know how to focus on the muscle you won’t be able to effectively work it. But once I did, the next day I was so sore, that I could barely walk lol…..I was sore for about 3 day’s after that. Give your PC time to recover. Don’t think that doing them in the morning, when you drive, at the movies, at night, 5 times a day will make it stronger. For me, it is counter-productive to work it so often. Try to give it one intense workout every 1-2 days. If you feel that you are overtraining, take a few days off. It will do you more good than most people realize. If you are performing tons of kegels a day, and still have a hard time getting an erection, decrease your frequency. My kegel-workouts are very intense. If I perform them everyday, that’s when I have trouble to attain, and maintain an erection. I can only perform them every 2 days. Any more, and it’s to much.

Dedication. One must be dedicated to see any gains. Don’t expect to see gains after a week. Give it time, they will come. If you do not have patience you absolutely will fail at P.E. no if’s and’s or but’s about it.

This is only my personal experience with the program. I am, by no means, saying that this will work for everyone, but it is something to consider for those who have not gained and with a bit of self honesty, know they are over training. Again pay attention to the P.I’s

Growing,

Very nice post, excellent points. My only comment is that nutrition for bodybuilding is critical because of providing nutrients for tissue repair primaily and secondarily for endrocrine function.

I suspect that with PE the repair aspect is very small so it plays a very minor role. However, it may well be that proper nutrition may be critical for a proper endocrine response that may well be very important for gains.

I wholeheartedly agree on you must monitor YOUR responses and adapt your routine accordingly.

Congrats on the gains and your critical thinking!

Nice post Growing 28.

Some very valid points and some things that I need to remember myself.

Good nutrition being one and overtraining the other.

Sparky,

Ever hang weights off of your wang?

Klay

I am one of those less is more guys too. But it’s very frustrating, because once your stagnant and haven’t gained for a while, what do you do? Ok, ramping it up doesn’t work. Going even lighter doesn’t work. So then went back to hanging, then jelg after,.NO. I’m about to get some liquid nitrogen and dip my penis in it just for some cellular damage just to grow.joke of course. Those of you who are less but more gainers, let me have some ideas! Thanks.

I have the same problem as you. I am also a less is more-guy. I had a 3 month deacon break from April to July and after that I started with half of the newbie routine and now I have ramped it up to a full newbie routine but I am starting to feel the limits. If I go harder I will get negative PIs and if I maintain my current routine or go with less I don’t gain so I am not sure at all what I am supposed to do now. Maybe I will start with hanging and see how that works out. Not sure at the moment.

LV has a nice post on clamping where he discusses his method called OLF/OLR. I suggest reading it.

It boils down to slowly pushing toward overloading, then taking some time off to recover.

So for guys that can’t tolerate too much, you start at the low end, and slowly add so your EQ will begin to drop to about 5 toward the end of the cycle, ( whether it is a 5,10 or 14 day on cycle). Then take 2 to 7 days off to recover, then begin again.

Right now I am experimenting with a 5 on and 2 off cycle. The trick is to start with EQ high, and SLOWLY overload so that you end up about 5, the take a few days off.

Yes. For me,its far less stressful than jelqing, clamping or pumping…IN GENERAL for me. Of course I’m talking using a mid-range average level force.

Same for me.

Less is more is more applicable to ‘blood work’ it seems, right? I’ve searched high and low and can’t find any examples of guys reducing their weight and or hang time, or stretcher time, and then gaining. On the other hand there seem to be lots of examples of guys reducing their manual PE time and seeing better results.

Wow, Growing, my thoughts exactly. I believe weight training and PE go hand in hand (like total body training, I guess) along with proper nutrition and sleep. I firmly believe that conditioning the body to build and repair itself through weight training and cardio helps with PE. The problem I have is knowing when I’m overdoing it with PE, since I’ve been working out far longer than I’ve been doing PE.

I have been doing PE since March 2007 (not consistently) and still don’t know if I’m a more- or less- kind of guy. I think intensity plays a big role as well as time spent doing my routine. Like working out, sometimes when I’m not into it I still go through the motions, but it’s not that great of a workout. But I’ve heard a bad workout is better than no workout.

Hi, this is my first post in Thunder’s Place since I signed up to become a member. I was looking over this topic and I think I might fall into the less is more category. I’ve gained around .20 of an inch in the last 3 weeks doing nothing but jelqing, but I still have a hard time not overdoing it. I don’t feel sore afterwards, like some say they do after a good jelqing session; my flaccid state just seems fuller and more expanded afterwards, and I only jelq for around 6-8 minutes. I don’t stretch or anything, so I stick completely with jelqing for any PEing that I do. I was just wondering; Is feeling sore an indicator of a perfect session, or am I still doing it right even though I’m not feeling sore at all? On the topic of weightlifting, I happen to eat a 3500 calorie diet and lift weights daily, alternating upper and lower body, and I’ll feel sore after the workout. However, I won’t feel sore the day afterwards and my lifting has improved, even though I don’t feel like I once did when I first started lifting weights. Is this natural as well?

For someone who falls into the less is more category: how often should we take a rest day? Every other day?

I wrote a couple threads to help you answer that question. Read my PIs and EQ thread linked at the bottom of my post.

Welcome to Thunders!

I agree with the first part of this, that it is alot like weight trianing, and is why I recomend like weight training you take at least 1 day off inbetween workouts.I say this because when you are buildig muscle you need to take off at least 24 hrs, and muscle is easily repaired, being sore after a penis workout is not nessisarily a good thing, you need to know the difference between fatigue and soreness

I don’t doubt that you can gain inches with more work, but I think it is smart to start out with less and build up from there if you need to.less meaning less that 1 hr a day