Is LESS more, or is MORE more?

I would also like to point out something on the “less is more” approach.

The body will adapt whether the load is light or heavy. This may have been pointed out somewhere else but this seems so very true from many experiences I’ve had.

Here’s an example: Say you started PE and ditched the newbie routine and started hanging with 10 pounds. Let’s call 10 pounds an “established foundation” or a baseline. Once your penis adapts to that baseline weight, you will need to increase the weight. You can only increase the weight so much until it becomes painful to hang so much weight, etc. That’s when a decon is needed. You won’t have many “growth” opportunities since you started out with such a relatively high weight and a high baseline.

Now if you started with 1 pound for your baseline and VERY slowly, over the weeks and months, increased the weight until you weren’t gaining anymore, you would have a better chance of stimulating growth.

Some people don’t see results right away and then start increasing the weight or intensity too fast. By doing this, your body doesn’t have a chance to adapt to the baseline intensity. So if you started hanging with 1 pound and increased it too quickly and you are up to 20 pounds within a month or two without seeing gains and you finally start hanging with 20 pounds on a regular basis, THAT will be your baseline.

I have fallen prey to this before and have learned. It’s like going into the gym and doing a million different exercises and not have a solid, planned routine that you stick to for a certain amount of time. You will not gain by doing different exercises at the gym and changing it up all the time. If you are one of the few that gain by doing that, consider yourself lucky, but you could gain better by doing a solid routine.

There are some that gain that go against this theory. That’s fine. But for those that are beating up their dick and not seeing results, maybe its because your baseline is too high and you need to “start over” with a new baseline.

Just my .02 and a theory that I believe in :)

Good post!

I don’t mind at all!

Interesting.

I’ve discussed the “breakover point” before in some of my ramblings. Its based on the concept that a certain amount of stress is needed to stimulate growth. Once you hit that point, gains can begin. If you go past that point, you can get unwanted “adaptive” responses like toughening.

So for example, jerking off…we all have done it since we were kids, and for most of us it didn’t cause us to get bigger, so I would say, its “below” the breakover point. Then comes jelquing, which obviously, when done right, stimulates growth, so I would say many guys have brought the stimulus UP to the breakover point. Then, there are those that do it too hard and/or for too long and they not only don’t gain, but actually get deceased EQ and shrinkage…so I would say they probably went PAST the breakover point. This can be verified if they back down on the force and/or time used and start to get gains.

SO, SMS…it just seems to make sense to start low and slowly work up. It may be a bit slow, but your chances of finding your breakover point and not just shooting past it are greater. I think in something like PE, its best to eliminate the variables as much as possible. It would be one thing if we had some sort of meter that could tell us exactly, but we don’t…so the next best thing is a gradual systematic approach where you slowly ramp up time and force, and observe your EQ and PIs while you do it.

I think for those that think they have a very high breakover point, heck DOUBLE your time every 2 weeks and see what that does to your EQ. When you finally hit a point where EQ drops, go back to the time that gave great EQ and then slowly move that up until you are gaining. It should still allow you to find your breakover point, but not take forever if you have a high breakover point.

I would just offhandedly say that if you hit 30-45 minutes of PE, and EQ is great but STILL no gains, you can then begin to up the force level, but watch PIs and EQ carefully. High force CAN cause tissue toughening very rapidly.

I don’t really get a few things. If your such an easy gainer (you need to do less for gains as you say), you must have gained quite a lot by now, no? And why do you wish you where a hard gainer (where more is needed for same amount of gain)? Doesn’t really make sense to me, maybe I’m missing something?

Not EASY gainer, but easily over trained. And no, I haven’t gained what I consider a lot, primarily BECAUSE I ALWAYS DO TOO MUCH!

I don’t wish I was a hard gainer, I wish I could do a lot of PE and gain from it. I love pumping, but if I do more than 5-10 minutes, it destroys my EQ for a few days. I’d love to be able to do an hour a day productively, and believe me I have tried it…its disaster for me.

Your confusion comes in with transposing the concept that you can only do a little before you over train with easy gainer. I guess you could say I’m an easy gainer if you say the less you have to do, the easier it is to gain. Thats only true IF YOU CONSISTENTLY do less!

Most guys like me have thought themselves HARDGAINERS because they follow the standard routines (which is WAY TOO MUCH) and found no matter how hard they work at it, they CAN’T MAKE ANY GAINS! Its taken me years to accept that more than a little stops my growth cold! Its only been the last year or so that I have begun to realize my catagory. THEN when I stick to it, I have seen gains, but its still been hard to truly believe any more than a little puts me into over training. Its slowly been getting through my thick head.

For me, I really have to separate PE from recreation…and I have blurred that line for years.

So you don’t have to do as much to get to the “growth zone”, but your growth is slower while others have to do more to enter their “growth zone” but their gains comes faster?

You can gain very quickly by doing “less”, if that is the type of penis you have. I have seen a poster do 1/2 inch in a month with less than 100 jelqs per workout.

You can gain quickly by doing “more”, if that is the type of penis you have.

Both of these would be easy gainers. Maybe some “hard gainers” just haven’t found where their penis wants to be in terms of workout.

“So you don’t have to do as much to get to the “growth zone”, but your growth is slower while others have to do more to enter their “growth zone” but their gains comes faster?”

For me it took years to figure out what works. Now when I get “in the zone” I start to get some gains fairly quick. The problem also for guys like me is things like edging and jerking off can really set you back too. So its been a matter of learning to use just a little PE, plenty of days off, AND not messing around with it at all in between…thats a tough road!

Thats probably it for 99% of “hard gainers”.

This should be read by every Newbie!

The thing that has me wondering, is for the less is more or anyway you look at it, any guys that experience the less is more or so, do you feel like you have had a productive session?

I can only speak for me, and 5 minutes feels like I am just getting warmed up! Especially if I am pumping, its really hard to stop at the 5 or 7 minute mark…my mind is coming up with all kinds of reasons to keep going (and many times I fall for it!).

I’ve always felt more is more, even at the expense of EQ. I’ve pushed it and it seems that it’s the only thing that works well for me. To clarify, I’m not saying push to the point of injury. The only down side from over doing it have been water blisters from over pumping, donut from clamping/pumping and low EQ. The upside is over an inch gain in length and half an inch in girth. I push the envelope but never ever get to an area of pain or injury.

I don’t recommend my view point for anyone other than myself. I don’t want anyone here to get hurt. Just sharing what has worked for me.

T.