Jelqing/Plateau Questions

Question to all jelquers on Thunders:

I know, these questions have already been asked a thousand times. But, I need to clarify them. As I do not have a permanent internet access I do not have the time to surf through all the threads and posts. So I would appreciate it if anybody could give me some links to good threads, in case he does not want to answer directly here to my thread.

Jelquing: How long per day/rest days… recommendations from experienced jelquers.
Shape of you dick after a jelq session? Feeling of the tissue?

Till to middle of february I only did hanging for more than half a year. REsults: Negative. This is not that bad as I have made several mistakes. for example I used to much wrap which made heavy weight hanging and hanging OTS very difficult. I will give it a try for sure. But now, I am a little bit enthusiastic on jelquing as I watched all the videos of gandolf and applied some of them.
Normally, with normal jelqing, just strokes from the base to the head, I do not get sore after any more after ten days. But with some Gandolf methods, Horse and plumped_bend, I still can. Still can now, even after three weeks. “Looks sore” means, looks really worked out. Blown up a bit. I would need some hints concerning how your dick should look and feel like after good jelq session. Time? Rest?

The reason why I became so enthusiastic on jelquing was because I did some extremme jelqing (horse, plumped bend) for a couple of days and I tried to measure 5 or ten minutes after the jelq session. Yes, I know this is probably not a measurement that you can trust but I have never measured a length like this before. Even when I cheated.

Mig

Hi Mig,

I’ve been jelqing on and off for some time. I hope I can help you out here. Hopefully some of the other guys will be able to chime in as well. At lot of PE depends on how experienced and conditioned you are. You don’t mention if you have done any jelqing in the past, so I’ll assume you haven’t done much.

I wet jelq in the morning for about 15-20 minutes in the bath (allows the tissue to warm up nicely), then sometimes follow that with a dry session in the evening. I also hang, but I’ve only started with that, so I’m a bit of a newb.

You say you don’t get sore after 10 days? Does that mean you aren’t taking a break for 10 days? Your cock will need rest to heal and grow new tissue. I jelq 5 on, 2 off, but as I said, I’ve been doing it for a few years so I’m quite conditioned to it. I’d suggest you try 2 on 1 off, then work up to 3 on 1 off or 5 on 2 off.

How it looks after jelqing: Well, it looks very pumped, the veins stick out and it hangs at almost my erect size. More so after wet jelqing than dry though. It is usually quite red and looks slightly swollen. It’s difficult to describe, really it just looks like my cock, only with extra blood forced in!

I’d watch out though with the Horses and erect bends. They are pretty hardcore, if you want to do them just be careful, especially with the bends, lots of people have warned away from these. Remember it’s better to wait a while and build up some resistance than to risk damaging the old fella.

There’s nothing wrong with measuring after jelqing if you just want to see how massive it is, but bear in mind your erect cock probably won’t be as big as your jelqed cock, so you might be kidding yourself! If you want to be able to measure with consistency to ascertain your gains, you need to do so after a bit of rest, that way you get an accurate size, not pumped after the day’s PE.

Well that’s my opinion, hope it helps.

LB

Answer:

Well, you assumed that I am almost a newbie concerning PE by jelquing. Actually, this is not true. I have experience of about one year in jelquing. But the last time that I did some jelqus is already one year ago. At that time, from last year january on till april or mai, I have been only jelquing. In the evening. 30 min sessions up to 1 1/2 h sessions. Days on days off. That means 3 on 1 or 2 off. Or 2 days on 1 off. Was really different. But no matter what I did, long term sessions or short term, one day off three on, two days off 5 days on: The result was always the same: Negative! What I did was just jelquing and Ulis. But, as I have already mentioned it in my first post, I did not become sore any more. That meant, only by doing strokes, no matter how long (20 min, 30 min, 60 or even 90), I did not look worked out. ULIs increase slightly your worked out shape. But after some time this vanished, too.

Worked out: It is like you said: After I have finished my session my dick really looks pumped up. +Donut. But only with these horeses and plumped bend. Doing strokes does not show anything like this.

Question: What do you mean by “conditioned you are”?

Measuring after jelquing: Yes, I know it was not that intelligent. And moreover, it is not very good for your motivation. But I just had the desire to measure.

Actually, I am a very experienced PEer. I have been hanging and jelquing for years. I have seen some gains. But the last succesful moment is already a long time ago. During this time I got sore by only doing strokes. That was the time where my gains come from. Since then, I have not seen anything at all. Maybe now.

I have seen a very good thread. It is almost at the beginning of this site = Overview of all forums. Hopefully I can find some good hints there.
But nevertheless, you can answer again, or anybody else.

Mig

In that case, I’d suggest you might just hit a plateau. You’ve been jelqing so much that you have made your dick really solid. It seems your best bet might be to take a break for a month or so, then start up again. Other than that, I don’t know, it seems you have a pretty intense routine, so maybe you’ve just developed a dick you could knock walls down with.

A lot of people have found that they get to a certain point and no matter what they do, they don’t get any more gains. Most of them will either take a break, or shock their cock with an intense routine (which sounds like what you are doing!).

LB

Hi Lordbase,

for the worked-out shape: It is like you said. I look like you described it: Pumped-up and a little bit red. (+ Donut).
Before, at least this is what I can remember, I did not see anything like this after my jelquing sessions. Just doing strokes and ULIs for a longer time, did not bring benefits any more.
Now, yes. Hopefully some gains will show up one day.

Overworking: Just one question: Do you think that this is a sign that I overdid it: Your head, right after you started your jelq session, does not swell up with the first strokes you are doing? I mean your tissue is overworked / overstretched so that it has become a bit tough. Consequence: I have to jelq for at least 20 min until it swells up as it should (= as I know it from before.)

Mig

P.S.: I like your quotation from Oscar Wilde.

Mig,

As for overworking it, I don’t think that you did. What I meant was that as you exercise your cock it naturally becomes harder and tougher. Think about when you first start (and I don’t mean you personally, I mean everyone) your cock is soft and (relatively) weak, you have to build up the training to condition (or strengthen) it. This conditioning doesn’t stop after two weeks when you step up your routine, it continues and every time you increase your routine it accelerates. This is a good thing as it reduces the chance of injury when doing harder workouts and so allows you to do more.

However, it can get to the point where your cock is so well conditioned that it doesn’t matter how much you tug and pull, you just can’t get through it’s armour plating to cause the essential micro-tears. At this point you need to rest the old fella and let the level of conditioning drop to a point at which you are having a positive impact once more. Once your rest is over, it might take another year to return to the level of conditioning you have now, but by that time you might have stepped up the training (so the plateau will be higher), reached your goal （so gains are not important) or you will have to take another break.

It looks like you have hit the plateau, since you are wasting 20 minutes of jelqing just to soften your cock enough to have an affect on it. I’d suggest that you take a week off. Try jelqing again after that. If you still experience that 20 minute wait take another week off. If, for example, it is only a ten minute wait, then you can consider another week off, but it depends on how long you are willing to wait. It may take a month or more to bring your conditioning down to an acceptable level, but most people record significant gains following an extended scheduled break, so chances are that time would be well spent.

I hope that I’ve explained that clearly. What do you think about the subject?

LB

PS Cheers for the compliment on the quote. I just regret not having read more of his books. Maybe I’ll start one day.

Lordbase,

I took off one day, it total it was almost 2 days. Consequence: After my jelq routine my fella clearly looked more worked-out. Also, at the beginning my dick has been not that tough any more. So rest days really bring some benefits.
So for the future I will implement some more rest days. I have planned 3 days on two off or 2 on one off.

QUestion: You have mentioned that rest days /weeks correctly implemented brought most success to the PErs here who use jelquing to enlarge your dick. Can you give me a good link to a thread here on Thunders where this is discussed?

Mig

Mig,

Good news on the benefits of breaks.

Here are a few links on the subject, there are loads of others out there if you want to do the search.

The break has done me good
Andrew69 - Hit serious plateu…any recommendations?
Punctuated PE Theory
Breaks and progress?

Happy reading

LB

Great discussion guys.

After posting this I will take the liberty of changing the thread title to make it more descriptive, so hopefully people with similar concerns can find it.

SS4

SS4,

It makes sense to change the title, thanks for jumping in.

LB

So for jelqing it is good to have off days to get a better pump. But for hanging or stretching is it better to do it every day to stay fatigued?

Very good question, Phil. Anyone?

I would say that rest breaks are still vital for hanging. Although I am a newbie to hanging, I have been hanging 5 on 2 off and still seeing good gains. I would be concerned that if I didn’t take a break from hanging every week the microtears would never heal and would get bigger every time I hung, leading to serious damage. I like to create new microtears every week, rather than risking a proper tear. I’d rather have slower gains than risk an injury.

But as I say, I am a newb at hanging, so maybe some of the experienced hangers can talk about their experience.

LB

I read on another board from an older experienced jelquer that it helped him a lot when he would jelq for weeks (with days off ofcourse) and take the same amount of time off.

Example: do your routine for a month and then take a month off. I’ve been doing something similar to this since September of last year and have had good gains girth-wise, and I’m not very consistent.
Good luck.

I think that age might have something to do with it. For example, when I was younger and had a sports injury or one from working out, it would take a matter of days to heal. Now, (no more sports; can’t seem to provide the competition I used to) when I get a sore muscle from working out, it takes weeks to heal. This is why I find it interesting when you say “older experienced jelqer”. I think a month on (with rest days) and a month off could very well be a plausible theory for those over 35-40 years of age. Recently, I went through a bout with impotence (overtraining) and a urologist (whole completely different story) and decided to take atleast a month off from PE. After a month off (four weeks anyway), my unit was bigger than when I stopped, though my unit when I stopped was bigger than when I started. Now I have been doing very light jelqing for about a week and a half and am perceiving newbie gains. I say perceiving because I do not know yet whether the gains are actual, or if I am swollen due to the four week de-conditioning. Anyhow, the whole idea of one month on one off intrigues me. Do you remember which forum you read this on or the “old-timers” call.