PE as a Lifestyle: Choosing Our Paths

Hello all,

I’ve spent some time recently reading a variety of posts from some long-time members regarding permanency of gains. These two threads stood out among them:

been there…done that!…

An Abrupt Size Loss

From what I noticed about gains that have to do with losing elasticity (gains that occur when the elastic limit is passed), which I believe pumping relies on, is that there are stages of gains. As I described here:

Are Pumping Gains Permanent? Wrong Question

What I’m referring to is the second and third type of gains that I described there about pumping (not edema). It seems that the penis can grow temporarily (this really seems to be the initial stage of plastic deformation), and then this gain needs to be "cemented" before it becomes permanent.

The problem that the above two linked threads have led me to considering is that even after gains become permanent, they are not really permanent. I do think that the permanency of these gains might depend on the stimulus used (I think there may actually be more than one method of gains - creep vs. micro tears and maybe their permanency differs), but either way the permanency is not guarantee-able.

In a number of these threads both ThunderSS and marinera have used the common phrase "use it or lose it." Clearly that is the case. I think when Wadzilla originally saw his losses he reacted in an overly negative manner (it is, after all, very saddening), and failed to see something that seems obvious in retrospect:

If the (likely elastic) losses are already cemented, and by that I mean they do not disappear for the first 6-12 months, then they will only deteriorate at a very slow rate (years). Therefore, Wadzilla’s intuition about needing to do PE for the rest of his life at the same levels he used to gain is unrealistic. Since the deterioration is so slow (3 years in his case), one will need to perform much less PE than was needed to grow originally, but this PE will need to be continued permanently.

I think this is fairly agreeable. Of course, most people have already considered this before and decided that they will likely have to maintain their gains permanently. My only new comment is regarding the path that one takes through PE.

1. For one to be able to "maintain" his gains, if Wadzilla’s idea on deterioration is right, he would actually have to grow, not maintain, at a slower rate, permanently. If you never could grow from manual stretches, for example, then you cannot rely on manual stretching as your permanent maintenance routine. The maintain routine needs to actually cause growth. Within this point, it is important to consider that many people cannot grow from very low volumes of certain stimuli, but can grow from larger volumes of it. For this reason, it may be useful to use a maintenance routine that oscillates between high intensity work for short periods using a certain stimulus that will cause growth and complete lack of work for other periods. For example: 2 months off, 2 weeks of clamping every other day, as opposed to clamping once a week. The first example might cause you to gain while the second might not, so this should also be considered.

So in the first point I stated that I think its important to use a method (frequency, volume, intensity) and stimulus that can actually cause growth, albeit at a slower rate. I think keeping this in mind while performing a maintenace routine is important, I don’t think randomly pulling ones penis 5 times a day will work over the long-run. My second point is:

2. Consider that you have a variety of stimuli that you believe will cause growth. Consider that you are now not in a maintenance routine, but that you are actually on your path to growing, and you have 3 options that you recognize as growth paths (ex. manual stretching, hanging, ADS). I want to argue that you should not simply choose the path that will minimize the time for gains. It is also important to consider that whatever stimuli you use to build your gains is likely what you will have to use to maintain the gains - so choose wisely. Don’t use a stimulus that you can’t stand unless you have no other options, because you’ll be stuck with it to maintain those gains.

You might say that "ah it’s alright, I’ll use a different stimulus to maintain." True, its possible that the other one will also cause the growth needed to maintain, but it may be a different kind of growth (therefore, by definition, you won’t be maintaining, your penis will be changing). Further, it might be too slow, take too much time, etc. - how do you know? The level of mastery over a stimulus that you build up from using it to create gains initially is, I think, important in being able to use it to maintain your gains efficiently.

So my second argument is to choose your stimuli carefully. Possibly, take the longer root to growth to avoid having to do shit you don’t like for the rest of your life to maintain it.

What do you guys think about this way of thinking about long-term PE?

Note: My Loss of Gains is Nearly Complete :( this thread is a follow-up on Wadzilla’s losses from the afore-linked thread.

“In a number of these threads both ThunderSS and marinera have used the common phrase “use it or lose it.” Clearly that is the case.”

You posting for me and marinera now LV? I checked the threads you linked to above and I’ll be fucked if I could find any mention about “use it or lose it” from my keyboard.

I didn’t mean that in a negative way, I meant that your posts both showed insight.

I spent some time reading a ton of old posts last night. I’ll try to find it (I could have gotten mixed up, but I think I saw it somewhere).

Edit: Found it, sorry for the delay.

PE and “Permanence”

Post #12.

Again, sorry for this, I thought your posts both showed insight and was giving you “props.”

I don’t need any more wind up my skirt LV.

Awesome post LV. Read all of it and most definitely agree. Sound reasoning on all points in my opinion.

Interesting read. Well, I dismissed cementing gains theory right from start and learned to deal with the fact that PE is a lifelong journey.

Yeah, me too…

I’m not sure I like the idea of excercising my cock the rest of my life just to maintain size. I suppose it’s the same as with muscle. No activity = shrinkage.

I`m ok with doing some work for the rest of my life. It tells me that this really isn`t for everyone. Only the dedicated….like anything else worthwhile in life.

Otherwise everyone would have a 10” dick and a ferrari and we`d have to find something else to be insecure about.

I thought it would have been obvious to everybody that some form of maintenance would have to be used to stop the gains from diminishing.

I think it would be a small amount of what we were doing before to maintain the gains.

Would be a case of messing around with the percentages. Maybe light jelqing a couple of times a week is enough?

I think your right LV with the way in which the gains were obtained. Some means of gaining are more permanent than others

Believe me, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I tried to convince myself that “cementing” gains would make them permanent, but Wadzilla’s posts and explanations really made sense…I don’t see how it is possible for the gains to be permanent. The act of “cementing” though I do think exists, I think that (from what I’ve seen) gains go through stages of semi-permanence and then permanence. I think Wadzilla’s post was on target when he talked about the body regenerating, because the gains seem quite permanent, once conditioned, until that point.

But I think the good news (and the reason I posted) is that knowing this from the start can make for a much more enjoyable (and efficient) PE journey, by choosing the right stimuli (that you enjoy) and mastering them. For example, I personally detest hanging with a constriction device. I have no idea how anyone can tolerate it - the discomfort for me is always there (even when doing it properly). It’s not something that I’d want to (much) for the rest of my life. Another example, I find manual PE (manual stretching and jelqing) to be a really inefficient use of time since I can’t multi-task while doing it. I would hate to make a certain type of gain from manual PE and then have to maintain it from the rest of my life.

That’s the thing. I think it would only be enough if:

1) It can cause gains on its own (since, if Wad’s right), gains would degenerate by themselves, so we aren’t trying to maintain, we are trying to grow at the same rate the gains generate over time.

2) The kind of gains you have made are the same gains as this method would induce, so that your penis isn’t actually changing over time (losing base girth but gaining end girth, for example)

I realize this post is very obvious to some members, but some people like me might not have thought this out well enough.

Thanks, Alrdybig :D .

You are a wise man, UpTo7. Now the goal is to make it the most efficient and enjoyable journey possible.

If I ever think reach an ideal size I’d get 0.25” ontop of that and cement it. If I loose that extra 0.25 over the years, then like who cares right? Think of it as insurance. :)

The cementing theory is right in a way. If you just reach your goal, like literally you’ve just made gains. You will be way more prone to loose that quickly if you don’t cement it by doing PE for another few months in a lesser version. That’s just well proven to be true. I’m sure just as someone gets older, there dick tends to get smaller, if you quit PE’ing it may possibly depending on the person get slightly smaller too.

Use it or loose it, I like that. It could be that just having sex regularly through the years will keep your gains too.

LV, once we reach our extreme goals don’t be surprised if we have to clamp 10 minutes a day the rest of our lives; but ask yourself this….people masturbate everyday….so why can’t I make my whack session productive?