Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to help growth!

Yea my measurements vary also. My girth at its strongest is 5 1/8 I think if I let go of some unhealthy habits my blood would flow a lot better

I’m gonna be as safe as possible I don’t wanna mess anything up

You won’t. Just be aware of your body.

Wow, what an amazing thread sparkyx.

I agree this should be mandatory reading before anyone does their very first jelq, but only if they want to save themselves years of wasted effort! It’s just too bad they’ll likely have to make the same mistakes (for years) before they finally heed it, like me, haha.

It’s so tempting to model beginner routines after the advanced big gainers but we forget they started somewhere too. I argue that guys with big gains are either super intuitive and just naturally “get” this, or they have naturally given freak recovery abilities. Either way they worked up to their high workload AND most importantly, are able to recover from it.

Which brings up a couple points not really fleshed out here. I’ve stolen these concepts from strength training which oddly seems entirely applicable here even with the differences of tissues involved. The same principals which allowed me to achieve a double body weight front squat (I’m heavy) and some of my lighter buddies triple body weight, seem to be the same principals required for breaking plateaus and continual growth without burnout in PE? Who knew.

It’s my experience that “active recovery” always outperforms passive. We’re suggesting people just take weeks completely off but the latest concensus for overstrained or injured tissues (muscle, bone, connective) seems to be to get it moving and working as soon as possible. Mind you not overstess it but begin ramping up what you can tolerate.

Times that I clearly overdid it for competition (read: so sore couldn’t walk the next day) I wanted to take days off but my coach would just respond “you’ll always be able to squat an empty bar - get started”, and he was right. By greasing that groove I’d feel much better and recovered by doing whatever my body could handle (often ultra light) and could recover in hours or days what would have taken days or weeks had I just sat at home on the couch doing nothing. Also, anecdotally, me going for a light swim for 20 minutes seems equivalent to 3 days of couch surfing in terms of recovery (cns and muscular)

So, instead of “take 6 weeks off” can we refine this and find PE that is more restorative and that lead to more positive PIs? Active recovery. Heating pads, light jelqing, even frequent (not harsh) sex come to mind.

The other side of the coin is we have to keep increasing our stress tolerances. It’s one thing to be able to do X routine or squat X lbs but I think by default our body will stagnate there. If we want extreme gains we will ultimately have to be able to tolerate either extreme intensity, duration, frequency or all the above. The difference between success and failure is if we can ramp up our recovery ability to match.

My gut feeling and limited experience tells me that it’s not enough to just do enough and recover and hope that we will automatically progress slowly over time - we have to actively fight to be able to do more and more work while maintaining these positive PIs.

I hope people can chime in and we speculate the best way to do this but my initial thought is increasing short bursts of intensity. Clamp hard (but comfortable) but for a single set and recover, for example. Similar to how if I go sprint 50 meters as fast as I safely can with good form, I’m invigorated and sleep better, and feel strong. If I do sprints for a full 30 minutes, I’m not getting out of bed tomorrow. But additionally, if I did a single walk or jog, I probably wouldn’t get much training benefit at all. Intensity is good, but going past what I’m conditioned for, bad.

Also I wanted to add a very weird but very early and telling PI for me. I will notice this even before my flaccid hang changes. When I kegel, I always feel the ligament tug back on my penis. But if my penis is healthy (Positive PI) then I can feel and see it engorge with blood. Like a single breath into a balloon it expands a bit briefly before returning back. I can pump blood into my wiener. When I’m in negative PI mode and flex my kegel, there is zero response, zero blood moved, just the ligament tug.

Again thank you so much for this forum, this thread, and all this collective wisdom!

seand11, I agree with you in principle, I would just add, try it and see. I think some guys active recovery is best, and some guys complete lay off. In general, I think active recovery may be best when a long lay off is required, just make sure its fairly light.

However, if you find one on and one off is best, active recovery on that one off may not be beneficial. Never be afraid to experiment and see what works best for you.

Great post, thanks!

I would like to propose that poor EQ is not necessarily a negative indicator. I’ve only been doing PE for 6 months; however, I have made some excellent gains (I would consider above average) from my routine. There was one thing that I noticed early on in my venture: right before I realized a gain, my EQ would go down significantly. It was bad enough, that on my first gain, which was right at about week 7, I almost stopped training. Fortunately, I decided to keep going because I hadn’t changed anything in my routine. So I wasn’t over-training. I’ve also noticed that poor EQ has often been accompanied by an increase in my BPFSL. My BPFSL remains at exactly 0.4” greater than my BPEL. Thus far, if I see my BPFSL increase along with an accompanied decrease in the quality of my erection, I can be fairly confident that in a few days my EQ will return and my penis will be longer. So I would argue that physiological indicators really need to be taken on a person-person basis, and multiple factors should be taken into account before its decided an specific indicator is good, bad or neutral. If I would have listened to the conventional wisdom I probably would have quit. And I probably would not have ever realized the 1.7” increase in length, and 1” increase in girth that I’ve made thus far. I’d still be stuck with the below average penis I was born with.

For me personally lower testes hung is definitely my main positive PI. Of course it is always linked to larger FL.

Ryloth, can you explain why lower-hanging testes is a positive indicator for you? I’m still new here and this is the first time I’ve read about it being a positive indicator.
I’ve always thought the testes hang low or high depending mostly on the temperature experienced by our unit.

As an aside, I found this particular thread really useful in answering a lot of my noob questions about PE, especially the way the penis reacts to jelqing and stretching. I only wished I found this thread at the beginning of my PE experience. I’m only 2.5 months in but I think I had been slightly over-training since day 1. I like to exercise in general and tend to give a little bit more in my exercises. Like the 110% mentality. In body exercises, that is usually beneficial, but in PE, the line between good training and over-training is so marginal that you really have to be careful. An extra 10 mins of running can do wonders for your stamina, but add that extra 10 mins to your jelqing routine? It could ruin your EQ for the whole of next day. At least that’s what I’ve find out so far.

Can any experts help me out? I had good PIs for a month, then after an intense edging session and very hard kegel at PONR, my PIs havent really been the same. A lot of turtling, especially during warmup. Jelqing isnt the same, I don’t get much engorgement.

Not sure if someone mentioned this. But when I used to clamp heavy, I would measure my erect clamped penis. Any time my erect clamped measurement exceeded past measurements without me putting near painful pressure on my penis, I noticed slow growth.

Hi guys, not sure if my question is best suited in this thread but here goes:

How do you measure your maximum erection strength? For me, I used to get some really hard morning woods which would hurt the sides of my shaft below the glans. I would consider that my maximum erection. Once the erection subsides, the “muscle” pain disappears and everything is normal.

I got these types of rock solid erections pre-PE. Ever since starting PE, my erections are still solid, but seldom to the point where it hurt my CC below the glans. Currently I’m taking a week off PE just to see the changes in my morning woods.

So how do you guys measure your own erections?

Hey expandable,
I’ve faced the same and similar issues. When it comes to gains, the ruler is your judge. So in that case, the answer lies in taking the highest repeatable measurement in addition to measuring over time (difference over months rather than on a day by day basis). Furthermore edging and kegels help a lot in gaining control over your erections which means that eventually it’s easier to judge what erection % you’re at. I have noticed that morning erections are harder BUT SMALLER than erections during the rest of the day. I’m not sure why, but I’m certain about the measurements.
PE is not an exact science, so the best way to get rid of the scatter is to take several measurements and see what you can repeat reasonably, and to measure your progress over time.
Finally if you’re doing length work, losing some EQ is fairly common. Add a few squeezes and absolutely edge every now and then.
Hope that helps!

My bad Crusher, what I meant when I asked how you guys measured erections was more like on a scale of 1 to 10 and not physical length. When I get those rock hard morning woods I felt like if I kegelled hard my penis would cramp up. But I get your point nonetheless. Keeping track of your progress in terms of physical length is a good way to know you’re doing well.

This I have not noticed, but could be true for me too. I do feel that my erections during the afternoon/late afternoon are the fullest, though I have never measured and compared between different times of the day. Past midnight, my erections feel the smallest. Unless I do girthwork in which case it expands and feels fuller than usual.

I have always wondered why that is. Any idea?

Hi

Thanks for your excellent post

When I do my routine, in recline state my flaccid is big but in standing, it become very small

Now I don’t know I’m in positive PIs or negative PIs ?

Also is there any solution for my flaccid in standing position? It bothers me a lot (it become 2.7 inch).

My BPEL is 6.7 inch

Thanks

Hey guys I’ve been at it for a little under a month now with a usual 2 on 1 off. I’m keeping things basic for now 5min warm-up 10min stretch 100-150(5-10min) wet jelq 5min warm down and I kegal through the day. My EQ quality was good at the beginning, decreased a while and fortunately now back strong. I just have a few questions to make sure I’m on the right track. 1) is this routine sufficient or should I adjust anything. 2). When I am ready to add more to my routine what would be some good ones to add? And most important 3) Are there any physical indicators I can look for and sense for while PEing? Like any particular feeling, visable signs I should see etc whiling Jelqing or stretching? Thanks in advance and my apologies if any of these question were asked if you’d be so kind to direct me I’d appreciate it.

Would drastically bigger and visible veins be a positive or negative PI?