Proof that masturbation doesnt affect gains?

West,

Who gives a fuck what they think of your avatar and sig. You like them, I like them, most of the people of this forum that count like them…so you should keep them. Neither one of them were against the Forum Guidelines and anyone that has a problem with them can plant a proverbial kiss on my behind. :D

You better not leave this forum! You can’t spell “Thundersplace” without “Westla90069”. (Why couldn’t you pick a username like “ersplace” or something along those lines so I make sense?) ;)

Anyways, if you leave, you won’t know what I’m talking about at Thanksgiving when talking about current T’s-Place events. :)

Well he isn’t gong to put SOMEBODY ELSE’S opinion in HIS signature. It isn’t solely his opinion either. A majority of the vets (those that know what they are talking about 90% or more of the time) agree with HIS opinion. He takes a lot of crap because he has stepped forward as the posterchild of “Masturbation does NOT affect gains”, just so he can make it easier on us other vets. Sort of like a lightning rod absorbing the criticism of many. It truly is a great sacrifice that goes unappreciated by some newcomers. I consider him a brother/father figure, and am lucky to have that.

The point that I’ve tried to make, apparently rather unsuccessfully, is that the statement in westla’s signature, without some indication that it is an opinion, reads as if it were a fact, when, as you’ve clearly pointed out, and westla has acknowledged, it is his opinion.

Absolutely right IMO. And exactly why representing something that we don’t know as fact (or, to use your words, proven scientifically) is, IMO, a bad idea.

I, like westla, am concerned with the impressions that newbies get about PE when first encountering it. I think we that have learned some things about PE have a responsibility to share what we’ve learned with them. I don’t see that responsibility going so far as to mislead them by presenting the opinion (of a very worthy of respect individual) as fact. As I’ve indicated, I think we should tell them the truth.

I really don’t understand why my point is so difficult to understand. Here it is again, I hope you get it this time XL:

I’ve stated my opinion on this subject several times now as clearly as I can. I’m not interested in repeating myself further, even for the sake of clearing up confusion. Please accept my apologies if I don’t respond to further counter-opinions to mine on this subject.

One more thing though, lest something other than what I intended to convey be understood, let me add this:

I value the heck out of westla. Always have. Let there be no misunderstanding about that.

Thanks for the welcome.

Ooops, you didn’t strictly refer to a study.sorry.

The previous discussion was referencing a survey. The survey is very informative, and not poorly done. This whole area of PE is fascinating to me, especially since the medical community claims it is impossible. There are few things that I can say are probably true:

1. Masturbation (as typically enjoyed) will not enlarge your penis.
2. Hundreds of men are probably not making up bogus stories of their gains, and then posting photoshop enhanced photos of themselves. There may be something to this.

Beyond that, I am entering into this with an open mind. I hope I don’t get a year into this and find that the “jokes on me” and PE is really NOT possible :-)

:-k

Welcome aboard Novi!:)

No, I read it right the first time. That first line was an attempt at heavy sarcasm. Obviously not heavy enough because it flew over your head. :)

I am glad to hear that. He more than likely feels the same way about you.

People try to make scientific sense out of PE. I know why they do it, but the whole point of simplifying the phrase down to “Masturbation does NOT affect gains” is so newbies know that worrying about masturbation isn’t a factor in whether or not they’ll see gains. If you write a whole schpeel about why it doesn’t, they start to worry about it more, as if they NEED convincing.

A little welcoming comitte present for you novi: Take pictures. In a year you can either burn them while crying about the “jokes on me” or you can cry tears of joy when you compare what you’ve got with what you had.

Hopefully, this explains…

It did. I’m REALLY slow with sarcasm. I’m misunderstood enough without guys faking it :)

All wrong again. Guys don’t fake it….girls do. :D

Not mine brother :D

So you think. They won’t tell you, until after you’re done dating.

Sorry to hear that XL. All my girl tells me is my penis is getting bigger and bigger and bigger and …

I guess I better start jacking off more :D

How’s that for a seguay back to the thread topic?

No girl has ever told me that they faked it, but I was told by another girl that I never slept with that most girls have done it. Statistically, most guys will have it done to them unbeknownst to them.

When I gained the most (in the beginning), I was having sex EVERY evening for about one hour, And I always ejaculated once or twice.

I actually think that it helped in the gaining process, Having an erection for one hour every evening that is, Not the ejaculation part.

I am not 100% sure about it, But it felt like it was helping.

Here is a theory that might work:

1. Do your PE excersices, So that you get a bigger than normal penis size.

2. Have sex or masturbate for one hour, So that you “cement” that bigger than normal size.

You could also use viagra or cialis to keep the erection at 110%, What do you think?