Proof that masturbation doesnt affect gains?

You do not HAVE to masturbate to keep things healthy. They are other ways. But if you want to then go right ahead.

Quantify “other ways.”

For instance:
o Hookers
o Strippers
o Lonely gay guys
o Fake vaginas
o etc.

If you assume everyone can have sex anytime they want, then you are either hopelessly naive, or by some miracle the actual “God’s gift” to all women, and are never at want for the planetary orbit of pussy around the irresistible gravitational tug of your penis, begging for its penetration into the warm wet nethers.

- Saul

By others ways I mean just abstaining. Maybe that will put the fire to your ass to go out there and find some women to fuck.

Obviously, sex with a woman you love is the best. But the question is, assuming you aren’t with a woman you love who puts out every day, is abstaining for a hooker better than just doing it yourself? Weighing the pros and cons (taking into account sensation, possible repercussions, risks etc.), it seems like a tossup. You may think that hookers are the way to go, but other people think otherwise. In the end, if it isn’t someone you love, does it matter how you get off?

Unless you are naive and ignorant enough to believe any guy can go out and simply find women consistently with enough frequency to meet the recommended ejaculation frequency, then we can say masturbation (hand, fleshlight, microwaved grapefruit, etc.) isn’t completely off the table.

So it is! I stand corrected.

My main point was you do not HAVE to masturbate. Meaning you simply do not have to do anything. There are both health consequences from abstaining. Somehow you guys went on a tangent. Your body is not stupid it knows how to regulate itself.

I only edge and I do keep myself from ejaculating. It’s been well over three months now. I’ve been told that ejaculating will slow my gains. That being said, I don’t understand how if I had a relatively healthy sex life and ejaculated multiple times a week, that would be okay. Yet, if I masturbate(or edge) at the same scale and ejaculate it will slow gains? I’ll never jack off again, edging is far superior in my opinion. I will continue to hold back my loads, but it’s something I just don’t understand? What’s the difference?

All right, all right, I’m singing this song in my head for you knuckers who don’t know it.

Here it is, you anti-masturbatory, gonna-find-sex-anywhere, you believers that the words "premarital sex" are not redundant (they are, because there is no other type of sex), here is a song for you.

EVERY SPERM IS SACRED!!!

- Saul

It has already been established that if PIs are positive you will make gains regardless of sex frequency or masturbation.

That gas been my assumption all along.

The anti-wank crowd seem a touch fanatical at times, which is their right, but it’s not proven as fact.

I agree, having good physiological indicators is the most important thing. So I guess it varies from person to person.

For me, not ejaculating is the best way to always have positive PI. So I can masturbate all I want, as long as I don’t ejaculate. I can go for a long time without ejaculating. But I allow myself ejaculation at certain intervals. Of course, it helps that my girlfriend is a long way away right now. But I would encourage persons to try it, if it is feasible for them.

It’s funny how even something like opinions on masturbation can become political. Sheesh! You guys should relax.

LOL Seriously they prepared entire essays about it going into the subject of love and all that.

Being older, edging is just somewhat natural for me at this point. Sometimes I just get a kick out of not climaxing during masturbation. With that said, I will also just as often ejaculate during masturbation and don’t fret about it. On top of all that I have sex with wife daily, sometimes more than once. So if ejaculating slows gains, oh well. I keep to my routine regardless and log every day, so maybe one day I will look back and wonder just how much more I could have gained. However, I am optimistic that ultimately the impact of regular ejaculation will be incremental when compared to a consistent and smart PE regimen practiced over many years. Just a gut feel, so quite possibly not accurate.

My two week decon break ends tomorrow. PE Thursday, thank god, I am looking forward to getting back on the clock!

For me, is a nightmare stop masturbate… this is the hardest part of the PE program. But. Let’s do it.

But one doubt. There is any search about this? Who said that masturbate decline your gains?