Reasons for SLOW gains and NO gains

Being an extreme hard-gainer (actually, a no-gainer – 17 months and virtually no gains), I spend a lot of time thinking about potential reasons for my lack of results. It does seem like there are many “hard-gainers” out there but wow, do I feel alone when it comes to the “no-gainer” group. So, why do you guys think this happens to so few people? Here are some of the best reasons I can come up with (in no particular order):

1. Technique sucks
2. Very tough dick (manual PE doesn’t provide enough force)
3. No “newbie gains” because EQ is too high* (and seemingly unbreakable)
4. Shitty genetics (no potential for growth)
5. Failure to dial-in the right workout : recovery ratio
6. Overtraining (hand in hand with #5)
7. Undertraining (hand in hand with #2)

* Newbie gains: I had an EQ of 10/10 when I started PE.
* Most newbie gains that people get are just EQ increases and not actual size increases?

Let’s see if we can come up with some other reasons.

Or, if you support one that I already listed, expand upon it please.

I have often wondered if slow or no gainers hang, or are they just not gaining from manual exercises? I would like to hear from those who have hung and not gained.

#2 e #4 are pretty much the same, IMHO.

In your case, I thin # 1 has a low degree of probabilty. # 3 should be deleted (just my opinion) : young people have newbie gains too. I think newbie gains are not different than gains done in first months you start lifting weigths : the adaptive reaction working at his best.

Instead I would add to the list emotional factors and lack of sleep.

The most common reason for slow and no gains are inconsistency and not using heat.

Any collagenous tissue will become more extensible when you heat it, even though it may be extremely resistant when at body temperature. Inconsistency allows your body to return to its ‘default’ settings, and not need to adapt to a stimulus.

I don’t think you can call having a tough unbreakable dick ‘shitty genetics’.

As long as we don’t have an understanding of how growth occur, we are shooting blindly. Admitting that there is a growing mechanism which can be triggered by PE routines, no-gainers just didn’t find the trigger, or didn’t use the proper value of the trigger to be effective.

For length gains, we use to consider stretching (manual, extenders, hanging) as the trigger for growth. The stretching force should be in the “proper” range, not too little, not too big.
For girth gains the trigger is considered to be the increased internal blood pressure in the chambers. We could admit a similar range for the “proper” values of that pressure.

With this simplified picture, the problem would be finding the proper range for the trigger to be effective. Even oversimplifying things, they aren’t simple! Length gains can come from ligament lengthening, or from tunica growth. There must be different mechanisms involved for each of them. One may have more elastic ligaments and consequently harder time for gains by ligament stretching. The threshold for the force to be effective could be much higher for such an individual.

In this contest I think it is. At least if you don’t think that a tough penis is not determined by genetics - thing that is partially true actually: one of the reasons of no gains is to start with very aggressive PE; this strengthen TA fast; in this case the only way is to take a very long break and then restart in a more gentle way.

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UFGator I find point three very interesting as when I started PE this was one of my newbie dilemas. I consider myself to get rock hard erections, so hard that it feels like ti could explode sometimes. I was skeptical and assumed that because of this my PE gains would be limited. Although the physiological theory behind PE would suggest otherwise, for some reason in my head it seemed like a hinderance. But the fact EQ quality is so high anyway is a great bonus regardless of size The importance of EQ

As for age I dont think the starting age effects PE potential. Although a subject I have brought up in a previous thread Safe age to start? was concerned with the dangers of PE and whether starting young may be deemed more dangerous in the fact if something did go wrong, things such as reproducing and relationships may be ruined.

I think all the suggestions relating to training i.e. over, under, correct technique are valid to some degree in the course of a PE career. But I think the major point is, as you put it ‘shitty genetics’. Its not the fact there shit, its simply the fact that everyones are different. Some people may be much quicker at healing from a broken arm than others, but may be poor at sprinting. Very much like the different body types and metabolism. The body has different ways of responding to exercise, nutrition and other factors. If you don’t gain from PE its not because of a specific reason but simply because the body is not genetically made up to change in the desired manner. There is no guarantee with PE, I’m relatively new and do not know whether it will work yet, but its worth a pop.

If I had a tough penis, I would not have Peyronie’s now. In the grand scheme of things, and by any measure of evolutionary success, it is far better to have a penis that won’t get deformed, bent, insensitive and impotent. That outweighs not being able to enlarge your penis by about a billion to 1.

Booner, we are speaking about the reasons for lack of gains. Having ‘a penis that can’t be deformed’ is pretty much the same thing that not having gains, right?

By the way, Peyronie’ disease is caused by tough, fibrotique plaques. And a penis with the Peyronie’ disease, for this reason, is tougher as a whole compared to a ‘normal’ penis.

I’ve been thinking about this lately. I think so far my gains have been quite good, and I’ll probably hit 1 inch of length before my first year is through. If I don’t hit a plateau before that. Looking at my routine I don’t see anything special about it or the way I do it. I just do each exercises deliberately, and stick to a schedule. I use heat. But there are other guys who can do exactly the same thing and get lousy results, or nothing at all.

I don’t worry much about why pe works, I just apply the ideas other people have seen success with. For hard gainers, it would be very helpful to know what exactly is happening when we gain, to try to figure out why they don’t.

I had a left hook to my penis when I began six months ago and now….dead straight.

PE is amazing. It tests the very core of your nature. Discipline, focus, analysis, honesty. What more could a man ask for than to be tested this way….by the self?

I suppose this begs the question; is there a penis for which none of this works?

I don`t know. What I do know is that, over time, the majority of people posting here have had results that were beyond their imagination when they started.

When I began my attiude was that of “I hope this works”. Then I went through a period where I thought that I was experiencing better EQ and that was what was making my dick seem longer. Then I got the shock of my life one day when I measured 6 7/8” semi-flaccid…one inch longer than my erect length in december.

Six months to achieve one inch of length.

Was it worth half an hour stretching and hundreds of jelqs per day and hiding it from my wife?

Hell yeah!

5. Failure to dial-in the right workout : recovery ratio

I suffer from this issue in that I get excited and impatient and want to get more from this. All the work ethic stuff from modern society that conditions us to keep our nose to the grindstone.

I would suggest that, if you aren`t seeing gains after 17 months, that you firstly need to de-condition, and then go back to the newbie routine. That seems to be the standard approach here.

Best of luck, and don`t give up!

Totally second the heat. Added heat to manual stretches and gained 1/8” in one session (obviously tendon stretching rather than “growth”). Of course that was a bit too much and now my dick don’t work, but at least it proved the theory to me.

I’m once again against the stream. When I began PE, if anything, I had lower EQ than before, but pretty good newbie gains. Better EQ is a bonus for most newbies, but not the main cause of their gains.