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The Long Game: Learning with Longerstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
The cross sectional area chance during stretch is so minute for most of us that load - strain curve serves us fine..

I agree. When I started actually, all I wanted to do was recommend a Spring Scale to measure loads for different devices or elastic bands. Completely agree that cross sectional area variance is minimal; Maybe something to consider for really girthy guys.

Originally Posted by Alex2.0
I agree. When I started actually, all I wanted to do was recommend a Spring Scale to measure loads for different devices or elastic bands. Completely agree that cross sectional area variance is minimal.

I have worked at the load-strain level as there have been no one else to compare.
I am going to transform it to a stress-strain level once I start my next length period with new test in next few days.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
I have worked at the load-strain level as there have been no one else to compare.
I am going to transform it to a stress-strain level once I start my next length period with new test in next few days.

No one else has load-strain data in general or that we can compare to girth? I’ll keep a record, as I’m starting to keep more serious data.

Originally Posted by Alex2.0
No one else has load-strain data in general or that we can compare to girth? I’ll keep a record, as I’m starting to keep more serious data.

No. Never published if there is . Two pioneers discussed about it nearly two decades ago.

And you know what. It sounds really stupid when you think of it. It should be the base ground of the development of the PE never existed.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Well that’s a huge reason why I think what kyrpa and manko have brought to the table are so revolutionary, and if these ideas were discussed a decade ago let’s not let these ideas die this time.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Great thread.Englisb is not my native language, so sorry for not understanding everything.So in general long time, low tension is the way?

I am currently working on a ship and wont have a hanger for a few more months, but I ve made a ADS, can wore it for 8-10 hours a day, no problem.Is this good?
I am sorry, besides decon, ultrasound heating and low tension sttetching, do I miss something important that is discussed in this thread?

That’s the recommendation I can make for a total newbie and if you’re approaching PE as a marathon and trying to maximize total gains that are possible to achieve. This way has proven itself over time. After that a routine that’s more intense for shorter durations would be appropriate. I’ve outlined a form of a routine that kyrpa, manko, me and others have used with great results. Taking decons and using heat will allow results to continue with lower weights.

No offense maybe it’s the English not being your primary language issue but it would behoove you to reread the thread and see if you can find the studies in your language. What do you do on the ship?


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

I saw the routine now, sorry.The thing is I ve plateued my length gains, and I believe too much force is the reason for this plateau.I am not a newbie, I am 3 years into PE, and have gained about 0.6”-0.7” length wise.Girth is easier for me I believe, so I am not concerned about that.Not that I am for length either, I have a good size, but would mind to gain a little more.Just trying to solve the puzzle.

So I saw the routine where you mention 30 min extender, 20 hanging and 10 min cyclical manual stretching.And you suggest something similar after you have exhausted you length gains with low tension high time workouts like ADS, extending?

The thing is, I ve gained from high tension low time and after that plateaued.I guess after a decon I should come back and see something newer for me which is low tension.My dick just reacts against hard stretching.What do you think?

I will re read the studies and will try to gain more insight.

I am Officer of the watch on Tanker ships

And thank you for your work and time you have put in studying and researching how we can make our dicks bigger.

Then I’d recommend an extended decon in your situation or others in similar situations. Theoretically most of the healing takes place in 3 months, but depending on intensity currently being used and how long you’ve been stalled, longer may be warranted. There’s no hard and fast rule but the longer decon the kess weight would be required tomake progress when you return and the longer you can progress before plateauing. Maybe 6 months for you if you’ve been stalled for over a year and depending on what high intensity looks like for you. I don’t know what high tension looks like for you, but if it’s like >15-20 lbs then yes. I recently came back from an 18-20 month decon this year in June and have made great gains and am now bigger than I’ve ever been using these techniques.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Hey Longerstretch,

great read. You really nailed it. Funny thing I wanted to write pretty much about a similar approach.
Love the scientific approach.Thanks to Kirpa too.

I experimented a lot with heat for years and Ultra sound is a game changer. It is much better than IR light. After using it, it is a lot easier to manipulate the tunica.

I tried about 10 different routines and tested them for 1/2 intervals until I ended up with one that produced the desired PIs and temp gains on the off days.

The workout that I chose implements some of your concepts .
Maybe it could be of interest how a routine could look like if some of the newer concepts are used.

In the end I came up with a Ipr routine (1/2, all in all 9 sessions with increasing workload( 27 days) in I-phase, 2 weeks 1,5 hours extender, towel raises daily + all night cock ring every 3rd day in P-Phase and 6 weeks+ decon break in R-phase)

My workout looks like this:

1)Extender @ low tension 1100-1300 gr for 20 min until fully stretched out (equals about 1cm longer than erect state)
Then 20-25 Min Ultra sound @ 1,6-18 mhz while still being in the extender

Afterwards I do the manual work under IR-light (100w).

2) experimental stretch for 7-8 Min (it is a tunica crusher)

10s 2point stretch/tunica tugs (v-grip at the base) as pre-stretch trying to go to max size in short time frame(intense stretching).
After releasing the grip I do a bundled stretch for 15-20 seconds (but easing into the stretch this time).
So I combine 2 stretches in one. Both of them combined are one rep. I try to keep the time between the 2 stretches as low as possible (under 5 seconds).

3) semi-flaccid bends

I do them in all 4 directions 5s per finger at 30-50 % EQ

4) mid eq squeezes

Ok grip at base and head at 50-70% EQ
Release and Kegel every 5 seconds for pulsating pattern
every 5 grips switch the hands
goal is to balloon the midshaft up and make veins more pronounced in the process

5) 3s mid EQ jelqs for bloodflow

6) dynamic pulse pumping with a electric breast milk pump alternating vacuum in fast cycles (1-7 inHG) in 7-8 Min sets in a narrow cylinder

7)Several sets of cock ring ballooning/edging (for 1 Min) then 10-20 towel raises, repeat

8) leave cockring on for 20 Min up to 1,5 hours

This routine is designed to be low maintenance (“stealth pe”), intense, targeting volume (instead of length or girth), progressive (increasing intensity each work out, avoiding plateaus) and is pretty safe compared to high intensity routines though the results are comparable in my opinion.

All the exercises combined pretty much work the shaft like a tiger trap.
A tiger trap is unfortunately borderline insane regarding the risk, but also genius. So I tried to find a workout much safer producing similar results by targeting the shaft in a similar fashion.
I just did a 4 month decon break and can say I grew 4-5 mm midshaft and nothing in length, but I didn’t loose anything either in length for the first time after a EG gain. It is really insane that I produced gains in 9 sessions and 2 weeks of extending.
I am not a newbie anymore and I am always surprised that I am still able to grow.

I really want to thank especially Kyrpa who influenced me to try US. Without Us this routine would not work as good. For similar results I would generally need 10 Min warm up, 1,5 - 2,5h extender, 20-30 Min stretching etc That is a lot of time I would have to invest other wise ;)
I am very happy that Us make my workout much more efficient.
In my experience if you use it, you can feel the effects up to 8-10 days. That is crazy!

In my experience a US session before pumping leads to much better results. I experimented for a couple of sessions and the results compared to a heating pad are much better. Especially pulse pumping lead to very krass results in a very short time frame.
I experimented in the beginning with a open valve balloon hand pump (max out at 7inhg when valve closed).
Just for fun I bought a used cheap philipss electric breast pump for 10 bucks on ebay to see if I can recreate a similar effect. And yes it even surpassed my expectations.
It can even cycle up to 16-18inHG in several steps.
Normally the short pulses wouldn’t work as good (that is why pro pumpers avoid them), but with US beforehand the erectile tissues expand really fast to max (in my case about 7 Min) compared to a 30-40 Min manual pumping session.
The best for me is that the impact on the EQ is really low and there is less trauma because the vacuum is not steady.

Will start a new cycle soon. Let’s see if I can still continue to grow and can get away with such a low workload ;)

I really think advanced pe guys should try some of the new stuff recently discovered. It is fun. And sometimes it works.
Ultrasound i.e. gets my approval :) It is IR light on steroids. Both combined=next level warm up. Best thing I paid under 20 bucks for mine (used only once on ebay).

Really looking forward how PE will evolve in the future.


" PE is a helluva drug. "

Originally Posted by pe_pe

I am not a newbie anymore and I am always surprised that I am still able to grow.

I really want to thank especially Kyrpa who influenced me to try US. Without Us this routine would not work as good. For similar results I would generally need 10 Min warm up, 1,5 - 2,5h extender, 20-30 Min stretching etc That is a lot of time I would have to invest other wise ;)
I am very happy that Us make my workout much more efficient.
In my experience if you use it, you can feel the effects up to 8-10 days. That is crazy!

In my experience a US session before pumping leads to much better results. I experimented for a couple of sessions and the results compared to a heating pad are much better. Especially pulse pumping lead to very krass results in a very short time frame.
I experimented in the beginning with a open valve balloon hand pump (max out at 7inhg when valve closed).
Just for fun I bought a used cheap philipss electric breast pump for 10 bucks on ebay to see if I can recreate a similar effect. And yes it even surpassed my expectations.
It can even cycle up to 16-18inHG in several steps.
Normally the short pulses wouldn’t work as good (that is why pro pumpers avoid them), but with US beforehand the erectile tissues expand really fast to max (in my case about 7 Min) compared to a 30-40 Min manual pumping session.
The best for me is that the impact on the EQ is really low and there is less trauma because the vacuum is not steady.

Will start a new cycle soon. Let’s see if I can still continue to grow and can get away with such a low workload ;)

I really think advanced pe guys should try some of the new stuff recently discovered. It is fun. And sometimes it works.
Ultrasound i.e. gets my approval :) It is IR light on steroids. Both combined=next level warm up. Best thing I paid under 20 bucks for mine (used only once on ebay).

Really looking forward how PE will evolve in the future.

Thank you pe_pe for both the compliments and the input you are bringing.

The thing is there is lot´s of possibilities ultrasound devises bring in to scene.
I would be happy that nearly two decades of posts about importance of heat it would be used as it should in PE . The keyword is therapeutic heat. We can not say precisely how much influence non-thermal effects of the ultrasonic vibrations bring in to healing and growth. What is indisputable is the impact of thermal features.

I have now concluded few weeks experimental run with US heated bundled stretches prior the cyclical pumping sets up to 20 in HG.
I can confirm same expression you just wrote about US treated tissues before pumping. The influence is significant.
The expansion is great still fluid retention kept minute.

PE methodology will evolve and develop if we chose to do it. To me nothing has evolved in decade or so.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by longerstretch
Thank you guys. I came a little late to this scene. I was on about an 18 to 20 month decon while kyrpa and manko were exploring these things late last year. I came back in June of this year and was reading similar threads to manko and kyrpa before they made their discoveries. Once manko did his experiments, or more accurately I read the results, I immediately bought an ultrasound machine after hours of research. My routine naturally evolved to something similar to kyrpa and manko’s routines. Even though it was mentioned 10 years ago they are the ones that took it seriously and thankfully did their own experiments for all of our sakes.

1st year after newbie routine, extender work or low tension high time hanging like with vacuum hangers.

Once those gains have been exhausted move on to the routine or a routine like the one outlined here for length. Girth is still being explored by kyrpa and once I reach my length end goal I’ll be experimenting as well. Ideas are brewing.

Thanks for the recommendation. I am in that intermediate stage where I am trying to use an extender for 3-4 hours a day and pump for girth 20 minutes a day. I find it interesting you suggested a high time commitment (long extender use) for this phase. I guess just because you are only doing ~1.5h/day as an advanced PEer. Did I miss somewhere why you feel traditional P.E. is best for earlier parts of career but this more time efficient new methodology is best for advanced P.E.? I would have thought maybe it would be equally advantageous to use this kind of methodology for intermediates, for example by extending with these heating and de-load/load cycles for equal or better results in less time.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Thank you pe_pe for both the compliments and the input you are bringing.

The thing is there is lot´s of possibilities ultrasound devises bring in to scene.
I would be happy that nearly two decades of posts about importance of heat it would be used as it should in PE . The keyword is therapeutic heat. We can not say precisely how much influence non-thermal effects of the ultrasonic vibrations bring in to healing and growth. What is indisputable is the impact of thermal features.

I have now concluded few weeks experimental run with US heated bundled stretches prior the cyclical pumping sets up to 20 in HG.
I can confirm same expression you just wrote about US treated tissues before pumping. The influence is significant.
The expansion is great still fluid retention kept minute.

PE methodology will evolve and develop if we chose to do it. To me nothing has evolved in decade or so.

Krupa would you mind saying where you think all those girth gains came from? I see you mention bundled stretches very recently, but I didn’t see mention, at least in this thread, of exercises that aren’t considered length rather than girth exercises. Very exciting to see how tremendous your gains have been.

Originally Posted by longerstretch
Then I’d recommend an extended decon in your situation or others in similar situations. Theoretically most of the healing takes place in 3 months, but depending on intensity currently being used and how long you’ve been stalled, longer may be warranted. There’s no hard and fast rule but the longer decon the kess weight would be required tomake progress when you return and the longer you can progress before plateauing. Maybe 6 months for you if you’ve been stalled for over a year and depending on what high intensity looks like for you. I don’t know what high tension looks like for you, but if it’s like >15-20 lbs then yes. I recently came back from an 18-20 month decon this year in June and have made great gains and am now bigger than I’ve ever been using these techniques.

By long decon do you mean rest from all PE or only from length exercises?Because I keep gaining girth

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