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The Long Game: Learning with Longerstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth

Originally Posted by sithvicious
Thank you for the response! I will check in once I’ve had a chance to test it out with updates. Conductive gel under the sleeve may negatively impact the hanger grip?

I will check out your log with interest.

Have to thank you, Manko and of course the OP Longer Stretch for this thread. This is an absolute goldmine of information

Yes the grip might be the issue. We would be happy to hear if you manage to heat it through the sleeve.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by mercuryarms
After having a 3 month long decon break I’ve been following these principles for a month and a half now, tried different durations and forces for each phase, and have gained literally 0 millimeters of length. That’s far from longerstretch’s rate of 1mm per week.

The strain after a session was never larger than 2% and eventually decreased to 0%, meaning that the pre-session BPFSL reached post-session BPFSL but the post-session BPFSL never increased at all.
After a few rest days the pre-session BPFSL was back to where it was before I started.

It’s safe to say that these methods don’t provide growth for everyone. Something is missing.


That’s sad to hear. What was your history before the decon? What was your heat source? What was the tension used? Did you hang? How much weight? What was your exact process? If 3 month decon taken I think either heat and/or tension wasn’t big enough to create change for you.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

As far as vacuum sleeve I roll mine up a little to expose shaft a little more. At my current poundages it hasn’t effected grip, I have not tried to use US through sleeve.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

I do a double set to prevent loss of seal on my vacuum cap.

I first put on an inch and a half long sleeve and push it all the way to the base.
Then put on my glans cap and vacuum cup and sleeve. Add vacuum and fold the sleeve all the way up to the end of the vac cup. Then I fold the other sleeve that is at the base in half and put that on top of the vac cap sleeve that was folded up.

This gives me a seal that will stay sealed with some pretty intense fulcrum stretches.

Without the added sleeve section on top, I would break the seal every couple of weeks, not horrible but still annoying with US gel all over and such.

Also, rolling/folding the sleeve up this way gives me max shaft exposure to apply US induced heat to, easily gain a couple of extra inches exposure.


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Originally Posted by mercuryarms
After having a 3 month long decon break I’ve been following these principles for a month and a half now, tried different durations and forces for each phase, and have gained literally 0 millimeters of length. That’s far from longerstretch’s rate of 1mm per week.

The strain after a session was never larger than 2% and eventually decreased to 0%, meaning that the pre-session BPFSL reached post-session BPFSL but the post-session BPFSL never increased at all.
After a few rest days the pre-session BPFSL was back to where it was before I started.

It’s safe to say that these methods don’t provide growth for everyone. Something is missing.

Hey,

6 weeks is not that long. How did your routine look like ? Did you gain girth ?


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Originally Posted by longerstretch
As far as vacuum sleeve I roll mine up a little to expose shaft a little more. At my current poundages it hasn’t effected grip, I have not tried to use US through sleeve.

Originally Posted by Mike03016
I do a double set to prevent loss of seal on my vacuum cap.

I first put on an inch and a half long sleeve and push it all the way to the base.
Then put on my glans cap and vacuum cup and sleeve. Add vacuum and fold the sleeve all the way up to the end of the vac cup. Then I fold the other sleeve that is at the base in half and put that on top of the vac cap sleeve that was folded up.

This gives me a seal that will stay sealed with some pretty intense fulcrum stretches.

Without the added sleeve section on top, I would break the seal every couple of weeks, not horrible but still annoying with US gel all over and such.

Also, rolling/folding the sleeve up this way gives me max shaft exposure to apply US induced heat to, easily gain a couple of extra inches exposure.

Thanks for the inputs, guys. Parts for my DIY vacuum hanger should be coming in tomorrow. Will keep you all posted on progress.

Originally Posted by longerstretch
That’s sad to hear. What was your history before the decon? What was your heat source? What was the tension used? Did you hang? How much weight? What was your exact process? If 3 month decon taken I think either heat and/or tension wasn’t big enough to create change for you.

Originally Posted by pe_pe
Hey,
6 weeks is not that long. How did your routine look like ? Did you gain girth ?


Gained nothing.

History before the decon: 700 hours of extender during which gained roughly 2cm (purely from ligaments). Then tried hanging, clamping, Angion method and pumping guided by M9ter from a PE subreddit and DLD from MOS in different routines for a year but didn’t gain anything. Then took the 3 month decon.

For the ultrasound sessions I use US Pro 2000 (1.6W/cm2 , 1MHz).
Tension made with an extender + vac cup combo.
Phase 1 (Stress relaxation) Tension: 10 minutes 1kg, then 10 minutes 1.5kg, then 10 minutes 2kg.
Phase 2 (Ultrasound heating) Tension: 10 minutes 2.2kg, then 15 minutes 3kg. Lots of ultrasound gel, pressed firmly against the ventral side of the shaft.
Phase 3 (Cooldown) Tension: 10 minutes +4kg. Then 5 minutes manual stretching.

I tried different tensions and durations for each phase ± 25%. Strain was always max 2% but often less. Nothing worked.

Originally Posted by mercuryarms
Gained nothing.

History before the decon: 700 hours of extender during which gained roughly 2cm (purely from ligaments). Then tried hanging, clamping, Angion method and pumping guided by M9ter from a PE subreddit and DLD from MOS in different routines for a year but didn’t gain anything. Then took the 3 month decon.

For the ultrasound sessions I use US Pro 2000 (1.6W/cm2 , 1MHz).
Tension made with an extender + vac cup combo.
Phase 1 (Stress relaxation) Tension: 10 minutes 1kg, then 10 minutes 1.5kg, then 10 minutes 2kg.
Phase 2 (Ultrasound heating) Tension: 10 minutes 2.2kg, then 15 minutes 3kg. Lots of ultrasound gel, pressed firmly against the ventral side of the shaft.
Phase 3 (Cooldown) Tension: 10 minutes +4kg. Then 5 minutes manual stretching.

I tried different tensions and durations for each phase ± 25%. Strain was always max 2% but often less. Nothing worked.

Sorry to hear Mercuryarms. You have similar procedure to mine with the following comments: Phase 1 I ramp up to 2kg rather quickly, so I’m at least 20 minutes at 2kg and I get around 2% from that alone. Maybe you need more time/weight for precon? Maybe it is not enough heat? I’ve been doing 2.0W at 3MHz. 3MHz is 3x the energy of 1MHz. Been doing PE for many years and no gains for 1 entire year of PE before I started using US. Good luck.

Originally Posted by DocJ
Sorry to hear Mercuryarms. You have similar procedure to mine with the following comments: Phase 1 I ramp up to 2kg rather quickly, so I’m at least 20 minutes at 2kg and I get around 2% from that alone. Maybe you need more time/weight for precon? Maybe it is not enough heat? I’ve been doing 2.0W at 3MHz. 3MHz is 3x the energy of 1MHz. Been doing PE for many years and no gains for 1 entire year of PE before I started using US. Good luck.

I’m not very keen to drop hundreds of dollars more to this experiment (to buy a more powerful device). If I get really desperate, then maybe.

Originally Posted by mercuryarms
I’m not very keen to drop hundreds of dollars more to this experiment (to buy a more powerful device). If I get really desperate, then maybe.

Keep the spirit up like you have shown in our chats.. There are ways to tune the concept. And like guys have said 6 weeks is not that much for hardgainer. It will come


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by mercuryarms
Gained nothing.

History before the decon: 700 hours of extender during which gained roughly 2cm (purely from ligaments). Then tried hanging, clamping, Angion method and pumping guided by M9ter from a PE subreddit and DLD from MOS in different routines for a year but didn’t gain anything. Then took the 3 month decon.

For the ultrasound sessions I use US Pro 2000 (1.6W/cm2 , 1MHz).
Tension made with an extender + vac cup combo.
Phase 1 (Stress relaxation) Tension: 10 minutes 1kg, then 10 minutes 1.5kg, then 10 minutes 2kg.
Phase 2 (Ultrasound heating) Tension: 10 minutes 2.2kg, then 15 minutes 3kg. Lots of ultrasound gel, pressed firmly against the ventral side of the shaft.
Phase 3 (Cooldown) Tension: 10 minutes +4kg. Then 5 minutes manual stretching.

I tried different tensions and durations for each phase ± 25%. Strain was always max 2% but often less. Nothing worked.


Just trying to help you out because I’ve been there where I was stalled despite doing allot of work. I know how frustrating it can be. How long was the extender phase? How long were you following m9ter and DLD and SRT what weights were you hanging? If manual stretches at what estimate number of kg/pounds were you pulling? I know both of these practitioners subscribe to the more is more theory and would’ve likely recommended just upping intensity and time.

So basically how long were you stalled? A year? It could very well be you need another decon right now and might’ve needed a longer one than 3 months. Your heated session is pretty light weight, I’d recommend lighter over heavier but could be, if you history warrants it, that you need more weight. The fact that you were getting low strain rates could’ve been a clue that you needed to make adjustments.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Originally Posted by longerstretch
Just trying to help you out because I’ve been there where I was stalled despite doing allot of work. I know how frustrating it can be. How long was the extender phase? How long were you following m9ter and DLD and SRT what weights were you hanging? If manual stretches at what estimate number of kg/pounds were you pulling? I know both of these practitioners subscribe to the more is more theory and would’ve likely recommended just upping intensity and time.

So basically how long were you stalled? A year? It could very well be you need another decon right now and might’ve needed a longer one than 3 months. Your heated session is pretty light weight, I’d recommend lighter over heavier but could be, if you history warrants it, that you need more weight. The fact that you were getting low strain rates could’ve been a clue that you needed to make adjustments.

The extender phase where I gained roughly 2cm was about a year long. Initially I started with 1kg force, and at the 700 hour mark where I stopped I was using 2kg force. After that I followed M9ter’s and DLD’s advice for a year roughly. I used 50 degree Celsius reusable heatpads and 2.5kg weights for hanging 4 hour sets. That lead to a small glans injury, mainly because my vac cup system was slipping easily. Maybe now I could try those weights again. M9ter told me I should do some girth exercises as a warmup before the main length exercises. The last millimeter gain was over a year ago when I still used an extender.

2 days ago I switched from my extender to a resistance band and a luggage scale, as adviced by Kyrpa in our private discussion. Now I get precise readings for the tension force. It’s neat to see how the shaft relaxes a little during the initial light stretches and the scale reading goes down a little before I up the tension force more.
I also started using a DIY hook stretch tool to create a sharp fulcrum for the manual stretches in the final cooldown phase. I also reinforced my vac cup setup so that it can now take many kilos of tension without slipping or causing pain in the glans. I can easily pull with a force of +6kg because I can use my leg to pull the other direction while my arms pull the opposite direction. And because the fulcrum is so small radius, it should surely put a lot of tension on the shaft.

But I still can’t get any more strain compared to the earlier extender setup. My setup is very similar to Kyrpa’s setup now, and I use the same high forces in the cooldown phase in cyclic manner.

Originally Posted by mercuryarms
The extender phase where I gained roughly 2cm was about a year long. Initially I started with 1kg force, and at the 700 hour mark where I stopped I was using 2kg force. After that I followed M9ter’s and DLD’s advice for a year roughly. I used 50 degree Celsius reusable heatpads and 2.5kg weights for hanging 4 hour sets. That lead to a small glans injury, mainly because my vac cup system was slipping easily. Maybe now I could try those weights again. M9ter told me I should do some girth exercises as a warmup before the main length exercises. The last millimeter gain was over a year ago when I still used an extender.

2 days ago I switched from my extender to a resistance band and a luggage scale, as adviced by Kyrpa in our private discussion. Now I get precise readings for the tension force. It’s neat to see how the shaft relaxes a little during the initial light stretches and the scale reading goes down a little before I up the tension force more.
I also started using a DIY hook stretch tool to create a sharp fulcrum for the manual stretches in the final cooldown phase. I also reinforced my vac cup setup so that it can now take many kilos of tension without slipping or causing pain in the glans. I can easily pull with a force of +6kg because I can use my leg to pull the other direction while my arms pull the opposite direction. And because the fulcrum is so small radius, it should surely put a lot of tension on the shaft.

But I still can’t get any more strain compared to the earlier extender setup. My setup is very similar to Kyrpa’s setup now, and I use the same high forces in the cooldown phase in cyclic manner.

We have been in closely interaction lately and now the setup is in the form easiest to control. Hopefully in few weeks more on the setup something should start to happen.

If not the going for a long decon as Longerstretch suggested. Being in the plateaued state as long as you have been using the worst possible method to further worsen the situation you have become a great hanger mastering the art of hanging. Which has nothing to do with even slightest possibility of gaining.
Things can turn better so don´t get frustrated. I have find you still enthusiastic and in good spirits so keep that going.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

This style of PE really hinges on getting enough strain, using heat and enough tension to get there and taking decons. It sounds as if your application has improved but I still recommend a decon right now as you have still been stressing your penis and it has been adapting this whole time. I’ve personally been finding my plateaus happen at 30 day mark. After that it takes increasing more time and tension to progress and at this stage in my life I’m just not willing to give PE anymore of my time. Crazy thing is I’m making better progress than when I spent all day everyday on PE.

I’m a huge vacuum hanger proponent but it does require a certain amount of skin conditioning. Currently been using a glans cap and one strip of waterproof tape. For the tension levels I’m currently using this suffices (right below 10 lbs or 4.55 kg). After your decon you might need an acclimation phase of slowly ramping up weights over a week or 2 so you don’t form blisters and until you get the right taping method for you. I’ve been doing it for so long I can pretty much jump right into it but that might be something to think of.

As Kyrpa mentioned we would be remiss if we suggested this is guaranteed to work for everyone. I truly do hope you can use these strategies to make progress. I’m hoping it only requires some tweaks to get going. I recommend at least 4-6 weeks off before continuing.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

I think I’m doing something wrong. The US doesn’t seem to do much at a setting below 2.5 w/cm^2, and up to 3.5 all it does is transiently warm up the area right under the transducer head. Even though it’s a 1mHz machine, I can’t feel any warmth on the other side of the shaft, just right under the transducer. And the moment I move to another area it cools right down. Can’t stop and focus on one area because at 3.5 it feels uncomfortably hot if I hold it static.

But 5 seconds after stopping everything feels just as cool as normal.

Any tips?

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