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The Long Game: Learning with Longerstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth

Originally Posted by Willis99
My strain is very high these days as you can see below. I am currently planning to finish this week, then do three more weeks (same weight), then decon for three weeks and do it again. When that stalls, I will go to US.

Today’s PE was the following:

Pre - 7.625ā€ (cold - straight out of bed)
Post - 8.125ā€
Strain - 6.56%


I am a Newbie and have just started about 4 days ago, I measure in at 16.5cm BPFSL Pre- my P.E. Routine I put together by including certain exercises from a few different beginner routines I’ve seen around.
It’s composed of the following:
I. SSJ Holds - 30 Seconds each repeated 4 times.
II. Modified Jelqs - Min 5 minutes under pressure. (One repetition)
III. Left - Right, Down left - Down right, Left BTC - Right BTC - Mid BTC. 1 minute holds for 2 Sets each. (These are stretches in the various directions presented, it amounts to a total of 14 minutes with 10~ second pauses in between each set to massage my member by doing firegoat rolls).
IV. Stretch straight out for 2 minutes.

I take 1-2 minute breaks between each different exercise (I, II, III, IV). My BPFSL measures in at 17.5cm subsequent to the above routine which equals in at about 6% strain, I was wondering if that was too high for a beginner like me. I have none of the negative PIs for now and can achieve better erections as well. I practice the Angion Method II for two days on - one day off as well.
Sadly I’ve no advice to give. ;’(

To summarize:
Pre - 16.5cm
Post - 17.5cm
Strain - 6%
Too high for a Newbie?
I feel a good stretch at the base, especially with the BTCs.

Thanks in advance to anyone willing to give their input.

No one knows Sumar. If you’re gaining from it and the routine isn’t excessive I say keep at it. I can sometimes get 4%+ strain but it’s hard for me, however you are a newbie so this makes sense as newbies are known for making excellent initial gains


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Originally Posted by Trizz888

Hi Everyone

I have a quick question about calculating strain. I always have a 20 minute hot bath warm up. Do I take my pre-BPFSL before the bath or afterwards. My instinct is to take it before. Is this correct?

Thanks in advance.

Do both and log both, you will likely notice some strain just from the heat but as mentioned this is doubtful to be therapeutic level heat. This strain will just be from increased viscoelastic properties I believe. Measuring at multiple points throughout your routine will guide you on what is giving you the best and consistent increase in strain.


My MaxVac Setup Longerstretch's Golf Weight and HTW setup My Log

Starting Size: circa 2003: 5 BPEL x 5.0 MSEG August 2007: 6 2/3 BPEL x 5.5 MSEG 04/22/08: 7.5 BPEL x 5.6 MSEG... On and Off again for a while... 11/25/13: 7.75 BPEL x 5.75 MSEG 08/01/19 BPEL 8.03 x 5.6 10/01/19 BPEL 8.19 x 5.6

Originally Posted by longerstretch
No one knows Sumar. If you’re gaining from it and the routine isn’t excessive I say keep at it. I can sometimes get 4%+ strain but it’s hard for me, however you are a newbie so this makes sense as newbies are known for making excellent initial gains


I’ve changed up my routine shortly after that post.
I read up on Sparkyx’ PIs thread and from there I decided to lower the amount of exercises. I am currently doing nothing but stretching, it looks like this:

I. Left - Right, Down Left - Down Right, Left-Mid-Right BTCs. For 1 minute each.
II. Straight Down for 2 minutes.

So it totals in at about 10mins, I do a rice sock warm up prior to this for 10 minutes since I feel it benefits the amount I can stretch it for. I know such superficial heating methods aren’t very effective so I’ll look into Ultrasound when I can afford to. šŸ˜œ

It’s not like I was starting to suffer from negative PIs prior to my change but I decided to try and get away with the least amount of time/intensity as possible since it seems to be a good approach to take from what I’ve been reading.
All in all I still get good vascularity and better EQ, I’ve also measured in at 17cm BPEL yesterday when I was using porn for edging. I’m not ready to call that definitive though so just a quick mention, prior to any P.E. I measured in at 16cm BPEL (I measured frequently even before P.E., so safe to say that was accurate IMO).
I attribute my first 0.5cm of gain to EQ increase, and the rest needs more consistent confirmation. I’ve equally changed from 6on-1off to 3on-1off. The strain post workout now sits at around 3%~, though I’m not sure if the Pre-Routine BPFSL I measured before I made that first post was accurate, since I don’t believe I was pulling hard enough.. So the 6% strain might’ve been erroneous from my part.
Pumping is something I plan to include though as Sparkyx said it’s best not to change so many variables especially if one is progressing..

So that’s that, I don’t mean to use this thread as my log but I just thought of detailing this as it might help someone in the future. :-)

Decon other activity?

Longerstretch,

Iā€™m in my third year of PE and have hit a plateau about 8 months ago. I get confused by some of the conflicting advice on the forum. However, I believe your advice is solid. Therefore I will begin an extended decon (extended for me because my normal decon is 1 day every week). My plan is to take 12 days off and then return to a shorter routine time. During decon should I do heat? Is masturbation recommend or not? Iā€™m determined to return to gains, but getting frustrated and discouraged with the 8 month plateau.

P_h_i_l

A few questions for people’s opinions on strain during a daily session and also on a cumulative point of view to indicate a good time for a decon.

First on a daily work out strain. I assume there is no magic number here it depends on the stress, heat, penis condition etc. Though are there any lower and upper limits to look for as a sign for under or over training?

Cumulative strain. When calculating this do we use the pre workout bpfsl from day one to the pre workout bpfsl from day X or the post workout bpfsl from day X? Is the thoughts 8% is still a good time to call a decon?

Originally Posted by scienceguy
Cumulative strain. When calculating this do we use the pre workout bpfsl from day one to the pre workout bpfsl from day X or the post workout bpfsl from day X? Is the thoughts 8% is still a good time to call a decon?

Not sure how often LS stops in. FWIW I was about to make sure that you have already read the first few pages of his thread. This is the thread that got me started on my approach.

Cumulative strain for a cycle uses the starting/first pre BPSFL measurement and the current BPFSL. Over the course of a feww weeks you end up with a cumulative strain > 5%. The guys who came before noticed that gains slowed stopped completely in the 5%-8% range. I start my decon somewhere over 7% regardless of my ‘calendar’ plan/goal.

Formula: (Current post-starting pre)/starting pre


BPEL: 5.5" --> 7.5" ; BPFSL: ~5.6" --> 8.0"

314 hours of tension since 4 Jan 21 for a total of 49,982 PPM. 5.5Squared - Cycle #4 Log

"Going hard, fast and heavy is all against the scientific knowledge of tissue expansion or elongation." - Kyrpa

Would you consider calling it a periodical growth instead of cumulative strain.

It is what other tissue elongation form researchers call it. Growth.

In our case it is strain during The exercise. Definitely already a growth over period of 5 days or so.

In modern skin expansion studies they have found signs of actual growth in real time following the strain increments.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by 5.5Squared
Not sure how often LS stops in. FWIW I was about to make sure that you have already read the first few pages of his thread. This is the thread that got me started on my approach.

Cumulative strain for a cycle uses the starting/first pre BPSFL measurement and the current BPFSL. Over the course of a feww weeks you end up with a cumulative strain > 5%. The guys who came before noticed that gains slowed stopped completely in the 5%-8% range. I start my decon somewhere over 7% regardless of my ‘calendar’ plan/goal.

Formula: (Current post-starting pre)/starting pre

Thanks yeah read the whole thread. My question wasn’t directly to LS but more to anyone who has an opinion really. This thread seemed to be the place it is discussed the most so I put my question here, the old where to put my question anxiety kicked in and this thread won the draw šŸ˜„ Thanks for the response.

Originally Posted by scienceguy
A few questions for people’s opinions on strain during a daily session and also on a cumulative point of view to indicate a good time for a decon.

First on a daily work out strain. I assume there is no magic number here it depends on the stress, heat, penis condition etc. Though are there any lower and upper limits to look for as a sign for under or over training?

Cumulative strain. When calculating this do we use the pre workout bpfsl from day one to the pre workout bpfsl from day X or the post workout bpfsl from day X? Is the thoughts 8% is still a good time to call a decon?

I’m going be feel and by how my penis is responding

If my penis is getting longer and staying elongated and elastic all day, then it’s looking better and better and what I am doing is working

I am currently trying to do a short duration treatment multiple times per day, at least a few hours apart, just 5-10 minutes of stretching under heat.

Not thinking about cumulative strain in quantitative terms right now but more planning breaks based on qualitative feedback re: flaccid length, elasticity, EQ, etc

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