The Long Game: Learning with Longerstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth

I am a Newbie and have just started about 4 days ago, I measure in at 16.5cm BPFSL Pre- my P.E. Routine I put together by including certain exercises from a few different beginner routines I’ve seen around.
It’s composed of the following:
I. SSJ Holds - 30 Seconds each repeated 4 times.
II. Modified Jelqs - Min 5 minutes under pressure. (One repetition)
III. Left - Right, Down left - Down right, Left BTC - Right BTC - Mid BTC. 1 minute holds for 2 Sets each. (These are stretches in the various directions presented, it amounts to a total of 14 minutes with 10~ second pauses in between each set to massage my member by doing firegoat rolls).
IV. Stretch straight out for 2 minutes.

I take 1-2 minute breaks between each different exercise (I, II, III, IV). My BPFSL measures in at 17.5cm subsequent to the above routine which equals in at about 6% strain, I was wondering if that was too high for a beginner like me. I have none of the negative PIs for now and can achieve better erections as well. I practice the Angion Method II for two days on - one day off as well.
Sadly I’ve no advice to give. ;’(

To summarize:
Pre - 16.5cm
Post - 17.5cm
Strain - 6%
Too high for a Newbie?
I feel a good stretch at the base, especially with the BTCs.

Thanks in advance to anyone willing to give their input.

No one knows Sumar. If you’re gaining from it and the routine isn’t excessive I say keep at it. I can sometimes get 4%+ strain but it’s hard for me, however you are a newbie so this makes sense as newbies are known for making excellent initial gains

Do both and log both, you will likely notice some strain just from the heat but as mentioned this is doubtful to be therapeutic level heat. This strain will just be from increased viscoelastic properties I believe. Measuring at multiple points throughout your routine will guide you on what is giving you the best and consistent increase in strain.

I’ve changed up my routine shortly after that post.
I read up on Sparkyx’ PIs thread and from there I decided to lower the amount of exercises. I am currently doing nothing but stretching, it looks like this:

I. Left - Right, Down Left - Down Right, Left-Mid-Right BTCs. For 1 minute each.
II. Straight Down for 2 minutes.

So it totals in at about 10mins, I do a rice sock warm up prior to this for 10 minutes since I feel it benefits the amount I can stretch it for. I know such superficial heating methods aren’t very effective so I’ll look into Ultrasound when I can afford to. 😜

It’s not like I was starting to suffer from negative PIs prior to my change but I decided to try and get away with the least amount of time/intensity as possible since it seems to be a good approach to take from what I’ve been reading.
All in all I still get good vascularity and better EQ, I’ve also measured in at 17cm BPEL yesterday when I was using porn for edging. I’m not ready to call that definitive though so just a quick mention, prior to any P.E. I measured in at 16cm BPEL (I measured frequently even before P.E., so safe to say that was accurate IMO).
I attribute my first 0.5cm of gain to EQ increase, and the rest needs more consistent confirmation. I’ve equally changed from 6on-1off to 3on-1off. The strain post workout now sits at around 3%~, though I’m not sure if the Pre-Routine BPFSL I measured before I made that first post was accurate, since I don’t believe I was pulling hard enough.. So the 6% strain might’ve been erroneous from my part.
Pumping is something I plan to include though as Sparkyx said it’s best not to change so many variables especially if one is progressing..

So that’s that, I don’t mean to use this thread as my log but I just thought of detailing this as it might help someone in the future. :-)

Decon other activity?

Longerstretch,

I’m in my third year of PE and have hit a plateau about 8 months ago. I get confused by some of the conflicting advice on the forum. However, I believe your advice is solid. Therefore I will begin an extended decon (extended for me because my normal decon is 1 day every week). My plan is to take 12 days off and then return to a shorter routine time. During decon should I do heat? Is masturbation recommend or not? I’m determined to return to gains, but getting frustrated and discouraged with the 8 month plateau.

P_h_i_l

A few questions for people’s opinions on strain during a daily session and also on a cumulative point of view to indicate a good time for a decon.

First on a daily work out strain. I assume there is no magic number here it depends on the stress, heat, penis condition etc. Though are there any lower and upper limits to look for as a sign for under or over training?

Cumulative strain. When calculating this do we use the pre workout bpfsl from day one to the pre workout bpfsl from day X or the post workout bpfsl from day X? Is the thoughts 8% is still a good time to call a decon?

Not sure how often LS stops in. FWIW I was about to make sure that you have already read the first few pages of his thread. This is the thread that got me started on my approach.

Cumulative strain for a cycle uses the starting/first pre BPSFL measurement and the current BPFSL. Over the course of a feww weeks you end up with a cumulative strain > 5%. The guys who came before noticed that gains slowed stopped completely in the 5%-8% range. I start my decon somewhere over 7% regardless of my ‘calendar’ plan/goal.

Formula: (Current post-starting pre)/starting pre

Would you consider calling it a periodical growth instead of cumulative strain.

It is what other tissue elongation form researchers call it. Growth.

In our case it is strain during The exercise. Definitely already a growth over period of 5 days or so.

In modern skin expansion studies they have found signs of actual growth in real time following the strain increments.

Thanks yeah read the whole thread. My question wasn’t directly to LS but more to anyone who has an opinion really. This thread seemed to be the place it is discussed the most so I put my question here, the old where to put my question anxiety kicked in and this thread won the draw 😄 Thanks for the response.

I’m going be feel and by how my penis is responding

If my penis is getting longer and staying elongated and elastic all day, then it’s looking better and better and what I am doing is working

I am currently trying to do a short duration treatment multiple times per day, at least a few hours apart, just 5-10 minutes of stretching under heat.

Not thinking about cumulative strain in quantitative terms right now but more planning breaks based on qualitative feedback re: flaccid length, elasticity, EQ, etc

This thread is great, I love science and experimentation. I’m going to adjust my routine slightly, it’s manly just pumping once or twice per day for 1-3 10 minute sets depending on time available, ease of getting and staying erect with no porn, and fluid buildup. I have been doing some sessions with a heat lamp, 5 minute warm up with the light shining on it. It gets quite hot but I’m not about to stick anything in my urethra at this point.

I think what I’m going to change here is to always pump under heat as it clearly gives me the most expansion, but then do the last 10 minute set with no heat and maybe even lower the vacuum a bit and give it 15 minutes.

A couple other thoughts I had with regard to why some people are hardgainers, it’s possible one of the factors involved is HGH levels. Things we do can effect this greatly, both positively and negatively, and I’m talking lifestyle stuff not PE. Some things that negatively effect HGH levels are poor sleep, being overweight, general stress and anxiety, smoking, excess alcohol or regular alcohol use etc….

Conversely, positive impacts are restorative sleep (especially deep sleep), excercise (specifically lactic threshold work like bodybuilding), fasting, being lean.

Some of these are easier to control than others, but I’m going to modify my fasting routine somewhat to try to benefit my PE instead of just a general health practice. I’m usually doing a 24-48 hour fast once per quarter, but I think I’m going to move to a 24 hour fast once per week. I already do a bodybuilding style workout regimen 4 times per week and I’m decently lean at under 20%. I do need to drink much less frequently and I have an oura ring, so I know alcohol directly impacts my deep sleep in addition to the negative effects of Alcohol on GH directly.

One other potential benefit of fasting is autophagy. This is when damaged cells and cellular components are recycled. Could be beneficial especially for someone in a reconditioning phase. If your not actively doing PE, it could accelerate the body’s rate of dismantling “not needed” tissue.

Thanks 5.5Squared for getting me over here .. And thanks to Kyrpa and longerstretch for all their posts. You have all given me thought to consider things differently. I’m pausing until I likely readjust.

I’m a hardgainer and I’ve megadosed GH to levels you don’t even want to know about. It didn’t do anything to help my PE.

Does having sex the same day as hanging affect results?

It should not affect gains in any way, since the tissues, in my opinion, are recovering after elongation rather quickly.
However, those are just my assumptions, since I had no sexual activities since starting PE over three months ago.

Giving your dick several hours of rest before sex can be crucial for keeping EQ levels up to a working minimum for sexual intercourse, since many workouts, if done hard enough, can lead to short-term ED, which is just a penile defense mechanism.