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sparkyx - Movin On Up post #578

I think it is a good question, and one I have been thinking about.

This is a good question and I have stayed awake in early hours thinking about it. I think there should be two EQ scales, absolute and relative.

The Absolute scale has a 0-10 rating, zero is incapable of erection and 10 would be rock hard erections. This has it benefits for discussion with others…such as, “at what level is your EQ?” You could say 7 and it means pretty much the same thing to everyone discussing it.

Remember when I first mentioned EQ about 1 1/2 years ago, it had no scale, it was just a way of seeing change of state of the penis, in relation to your PE in order to get a take on if you were overdoing it or not.

It has since gone in two directions, one as an Absolute scale, which is what most here at Thunders think it as, and primarily in relation to hardness.

The other is RELATIVE EQ. A relative EQ changes as your EQ improves. Your best noted EQ becomes your 10, I usually say best within the last year. This is to prevent a guy from using his best at 14 years old, compared to his 50 year old best.

The RELATIVE EQ is the tool that is used for dialing in your PE in order to stay in the growth zone. The reason a RELATIVE EQ is needed is because your EQ does change with proper PE, it will get better.

I have a theory, as you know, that a fully recovered penis (which would be your 10) may slow or stop growing, and it may very well be that a SLIGHTLY abused dick is the one that grows, maybe a 8 EQ. In order to track that, it has to be a scale that takes into account changes or improvement in your best level.

Lets say that you grow best at a 10, well your 10 today, indicating fully recovered, might be less than your 10 will be in 6 months, as far as symptoms…but your best is always just that, regardless when.

For example, your 10 when you first start may only qualify as a 7 after six months of proper pe. It will start to get very confusing to shoot for a 7 on your EQ scale if it your symptoms of that 7 are constantly improving. However, you can always estimate down from your new best.

For example if you just notice occasional nite wood when you first start, this is one of the indicators you are fully recovered. Six months later, you may get wood all nite, but at 10 its rock hard, at 7 its semi hard.

This is why I use the Relative EQ scale, also the relative EQ scale MUST ALSO include all percievable catagories of Erectile Quality, because it is far more accurate of true EQ and far more sensitive to changes that will indicate moving up or down on the scale.

So lets further say, you find that you gain at 80% recovered, and at full recovery 100% growth stops. So you will always know that when you hit your best EQ, you need to increase you PE and drop it down about 20% to about an 8. I believe this makes it an easier tool to use for that purpose.

So I may have to start saying EQa or EQr to indicate absolute or relative EQ scale.

Another recent post from here;
sparkyx - EQ and length

This is some of my latest thinking on EQ.

If you completely recover from the stress of your PE (smooth muscles contract when traumatized, and need to relax to allow an erection) and your BC or PC or IC or whatever muscles increase intercavernosal pressure, are very strong, you will get great EQ.

If you never allow your smooth muscles to recover from the stress, so they can relax completely, and your kegel muscle group is either weak or unrecovered from too much exercise, your EQ will suffer.

It can suffer to the point of impotence…but the good news is its temporary, no damage is done.

An easy way to determine what your case of poor EQ is to take about 7 days off. If you are are greatly overtrained, your EQ will greatly improve for about 7 days then peak and start to decline.

If you are greatly UNDERTRAINED, you won’t get much improvement or none at all during the 7 days. Good indictor of weak kegel muscles.

Ive been doing a little bit of jelqing for about a month now, and I’ve incorporated 1 or 2 horse 440’s into each session. my erections have always been pretty good, but right now I’m not sure if they have dropped from PE, i still get morning wood every now and then, but erections are harder to get, once i “get it up” all is good. I have been watching a lot of porn.. but I’m not sure if thats what is causing it.

what do you think? should i take a break and see if things improve?

Did you read this thread?

Czepa,
Read all Sparkyx threads and links. Follow Kingpole as well as others. You are overdoing it and porn devalues and desensitizes.

Your EQ is dropping. This is due to either the smooth muscle being unable to fully relax due to trauma (PE) or decreased BC muscle strength. Best bet is the first one.

Try laying off PE, porn and jerking off for a few days, it should come blazing back (EQ). Then when you begin again, try cutting back on your PE a bit and make sure you are exercising (doing kegels).

As I experiment with the concept of smooth muscle+BC strength=EQ I am increasingly convinced of its accuracy.

I have been doing kegels under resistance and have noticed increased hardness even when smooth muscle is not completely recovered.

I think a great indicator of smooth muscle completely “relaxed” is a heavy and full flaccid. This is the type you see after a really dialed in PE workout, when it is fuller and heavier than normal. After a while it goes back to normal.

I think that when you stress the smooth muscle properly, it actually has less “tone” than usual, that is to say normally it is contracted to some extend in the flaccid state. Things like Cialis will relax it more than normal, and give you a larger flaccid. Proper amount of PE will do the same, and I think its a very positive PI.

When you over stress the smooth muscle, I think it contracts more than normal or it “tone” is tighter, producing a smaller flaccid.

Normally my flaccid is a good indicator of what my EQ will be. Since I have been concentrating on doing kegels, especially kegels under resistance, there is an interesting result.

I may see indicators that my smooth muscle isn’t completely recovered, yet I have been getting harder and harder nite wood. This tells me that BC strength is a critical factor in EQ.

When I had been doing clamped bends over a year ago, then took a three week total decon, I ended up with nite wood so hard after about a week into my break, that it was painful and woke me up. This lasted about a week or two then decreased back to my baseline normal.

I thought a lot about that and came to this conclusion. I was greatly stressing my smooth muscle, in that my EQ was shit while I was doing it. I also think that some exercises, for some guys cause a reflex contraction of the BC muscles.

For example, if you pull your dick straight up or out, then make an effort to relax your BC, many of you will find it will release and go out a bit further. This indicates that it “reflexively” contracted against your pull.

I think many exercises will do that for many guys and cause the BC to get much stronger. I suspect that was the other effect of my clamped bends. I also believe you can over work these muscles and they get weaker until they have a chance to recover, then they will be much stronger.

So those painful, rock hard erections were a result of my smooth muscle recovering completely (yes I was getting huge flaccids) and my BC muscle recovered and was far stronger for a week or so.

To confirm this hypothesis, I started doing kegels under resistance, and sure enough, even on days that my flaccid indicates un-recovered smooth muscle, I am still getting hardness to my nite wood that I don’t normally get.

For those that would like to try kegels under resistance, there are many ways. The easiest is to pull your dick straight up towards your chin with both hands, then kegel against that resistance. If you are overcoming the strength of your bc you will just feel it pull against you, and perhaps expand a bit.

If you aren’t overcoming it, you will feel it pull your hands down a bit. I do fifty of them, every other day, actually I’m going to a mon-wed-fri in that I think this is like wt training so more isn’t better.

As you get stronger, you could just pull harder, its like increasing the wt. If you do these, just do these by themselves and see for yourself if you don’t get better EQ.

Feel free to comment here on your results.

I’ve opened a related poll,

Which routine gives the best wood

Hope it draws attention to one of my all-time favorite threads (thanks, Sparkyx)!

Maybe Sparkyx or others can help me think of a more focused or targeted poll, once the results start coming in.

Good thread.

I’m already a firm believer in PE simply because in the short time I’ve done it, my EQ has jumped from 6 to 9.

Is there some special value to the kegel done during the process of peeing?

Maybe when you’re learning what muscles you actually tense up to do a kegel. But as far as added benefit to kegel while peeing… um, I don’t do it much because sometimes it makes my stream spray all over!

I started 4 weeks ago and definitely was over-training.. My first week I saw amazing results in my EQ. I was very impressed.. Then I began to visibly decrease my EQ and size. I was over-training for sure but didn’t realize it until I got back on here. I backed off a lot. I was so impressed with my first PE workouts that I thought, hell I’ll step it up. Since I’ve backed up I noticed my morning wood returning and EQ going back up. Not back to where I was that first week yet (I’ve got some pretty amazing photos if I can figure out how to upload them), but I’m hoping for some good morning wood.

I do have a question about EQ. It’s not always convenient for me to have good material to use when doing my routine.. By material I mean porn. So that definitely effects my EQ during my routines.

A true measure of EQ is the TOTAL picture. This includes frequency of erections, ease of erections, nite and morning wood and hardness.

You can have decreased overall EQ including more difficult to achieve erection and decreased hardness, yet put on your favorite porn and it seems to be normal EQ. This is a mis-read, you have decreased overall EQ that is briefly compensated for by a high level of sexual stimulation.

A more accurate read would be to see that you have a harder time getting hard, it tends to not be as hard, less nite wood etc, this larger picture is more accurate than getting normal hardness with your favorite porn. This would indicate that your EQ is definitely dropping and it needs to be addressed.

Learn to read your overall EQ levels as a total picture, and you will find it is an early warning system for over training.

Either I’m an idjit or you’re a genius.
I’ve had crappy eq for a loooong time and
No gains. I over train. I will be taking your
Advice and offer my thanks to you for pointing
Out the importance of eq. It will be my new guide.

Thanks sparkyx