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So basically what you are saying Sparkyx is that you should almost always get morning wood, which is what I use to get before entering month 2 an starting a heavier routine. I am pretty new at this but have found that my erections got better at first and now have gotten worse. Actually when I train for 5 days in a row the fifth day and sometimes sixth it is very hard for me to obtain an erection. But at the same time I stop PEing for about 2 days and my penis seems to be fuller by the time I start back up the next week. I would like you to tell me sparkyx if you think I should take 2 weeks off like you say, or if I should just cut down a bit and that way still have improved erection quality. Also doesn’t the erection quality have to do a lot with sexual arrousment or how man times one is masturbating or having sex? Just a thought thx

There is no way I can state that you SHOULD be getting morning wood from PE. What I can say is that you ABSOLUTELY will be getting IMPROVED EQ from PROPER PE.

So, whatever your original baseline of EQ is, it should get better. So, that means if you get morning wood once a week, there is a good chance you will see it more frequently.

EQ however, must be looked at as the whole spectrum to really see if it is improved. EQ is frequency of erections, ease of erections, hardness, nite and morning wood.

Lets just look at nite wood for one. Lets just say you are getting far better nite wood, but are also sleeping deeper and never notice it…you wouldn’t realize its improved. However, you might notice that you get hard easier and when you get hard, its harder than normal. This is a definite improvement of EQ, even though you might not have noticed improvement in all categories.

So, because of variables in OBSERVING EQ, it is important to assess it in its totality to get an accurate read on it.

As far as masturbation, sex, loss of sleep, stress, nutrition…etc, yes, they all can have an effect. My statement is basically, if all things remain the same, proper PE will definitely improve EQ.

So, as far as my recommendations, yes take 2 weeks off. You should see a steady improvement of EQ as the layoff proceeds. At some point you will reach your peak of recovery, and then EQ will start to drop off a bit. That is a great time to start up again.

When you restart, I would cut your routine way back, at least half. Too little PE will still give you improved EQ, it just may not be enough to see gains. So start easy, and make gradual increases if you are having good to great EQ, but yet not growing. I think a small increase every 2 weeks is a sensible way to increase. Make sure you frequently measure bpfl, because as soon as you start to gain, you want to be aware of it, because you don’t want to increase your PE if you are gaining. Keep it at that level as long as the gains continue.

When gains stop, you can either try a 2 week decon break or a small increase of time. I think the decon is best to try first.

Very cool thank you very much, I just wanted to state that I am new to PE I think I have already exceeded the newbie routine what do you think I should go for now? After my 2 week break?

What makes you think you exceeded it?

I’ve just come back to PE after a 2 weeks’ decon break and I’ve really noticed my EQ has defnitely improved (morning wood everyday!).

So I completely agree with sparkyx on the EQ issue.

It was my first “long” break (more than one week) and it’s making the difference.

Sparky

What makes me think I have exceeded it is the lack of gains. I did the newbie routine for like a month and a half and didn’t see a change so I went for a stronger routine but it messed up my erections, so after this week I’m going back to the newbie routine I think it’s awesome that now I have something to judge if I’m doing it right or if I’m over training. Then again I have read that if you beat up your dick it will cause more cell growth so if I’m doing a strong routine maybe my erections will be worse while I’m on my days on but eventually when I get more gains the erections will get better. But you obviously know more than me, something that scares me is if I’m sleeping when I get a boner I might wake up with no morning wood and think I over trained or something and maybe that is not the case.

Any way to know if your getting wood while sleep? Also sorry man but you seem to know, does working out affect PE.

Haha, no offense to sparky, but none of us “know;” this is a point I’m trying to reiterate, this is a personal endeavor, as there is no science out there on how this stuff works - you have to play it by ear, and see what works for you.

That said, I do agree with sparky and think he’s doing the PE world some good here.

Lack of gains can be from either too much or too little, or it could well be that you were making slow gains but didn’t give it enough time for it to show.

If you are doing a routine where your EQ is greatly improving and not seeing gains, then slowly increase the time every 2-3 weeks and measure daily bpfl to see when you start to gain. At that point hold the time at that level until you stop gaining.

If you are doing a routine where your EQ is not improving or decreasing, you probably are over training…with a good chance you are using too much force. Its possible that it isn’t enough, but unlikely. Even a small amount of jelquing and kagals will start to improve EQ.

Where did you read that beating your dick up makes it grow? Maybe beating it up a little will, but if you are getting decrease EQ you are doing too much and a beat to shit dick will NEVER GROW!!!

Maybe if you did way too much, then took a two week break, that might do it, but you are probably developing tissue toughening and that will greatly limit your potential total growth, so no I don’t recommend beating up on your dick to the point of decreased EQ. However, if you have great EQ, then do your routine and it drops for ONE DAY then returns to high levels…that is fine and may even be necessary for many guys.

Don’t worry about nite wood, just evaluate your TOTAL EQ…if you’re not sure, go back and re read this thread.

Working out in general tends to improve your health and circulation, and that is always beneficial to a healthy dick. No workout however can overcome the effects of too much PE.

The one other thing that I am starting to realize is how important proper kageling is. If you aren’t strengthening the BC muscle you are really not going to get as good results. Make sure you don’t over do it with kagels either, you should be feeling stronger, able to squeeze harder and hold it longer. If you aren’t sure, then just kagel every other day.

This is a recent PM I received, its a good question about kegels.

There are several types of ways to kegel. There are kegels where you just squeeze, where you pull against resistance and where you lift a wt. Each has its benefits.

The thing to remember is the BC is a muscle, so if you know how to increase strength from working out, it is similar. If you work it hard, you need rest to fully recover. Work it easy and it can be done daily.

One approach is daily modest workouts…its like jogging daily.

The other approach is more like strength training, which can’t be done daily or you will get weaker.

I think its good to start out 2-3 times a week and work up some squeezing power first, then decide if you want to turn it into a daily routine.

If you want to do erect kegels, a great old time routine is to take a dry wash cloth and drape it over your dick and try to lift it and hold it up for 5 seconds, pause then repeat. Work up to 10 sets, over a period of a few weeks, 2-3 times a week.

When you can do that, then add wt by wetting the cloth. As you get stronger, you can increase the wt with bigger cloths and various amounts of water. So old timers worked up to a soaking wt bath towel, and had erections they could hammer nails with!

A more traditional approach is quick squeezes or squeeze and hold for about 10 seconds, these can be done flaccid. Another approach is to pull your flaccid and kegel against the pull. Start with a gentle pull and you will feel the penis pulling in when you kegel. As you get stronger, you could pull harder and you can mix in a pull and hold for 10 seconds.

I think its good to rotate through various exercises, not really needed, but you can see how each effects you. Remember though, when working the BC hard you will need a day or two off to completely recover and get stronger…if you over train you will get weaker.

Man, after reading your posts, I think it’s time to take a good resting period.
The first week of PE I had very impressive morning wood, and had many random erections during the day, which felt harder than they ever did.
But then the second or third week my EQ was going down, along with my morning woods. In fact I am pretty sure I have lost some lenght, at least when erect.
A week ago I took a 4 day break, and although I had a hard time not trying to think about (doing/wanting to do) PE, it felt like my penis really was recovering slowly.
But I started again about a week ago, and still I haven’t got morning woods like the first week, and my EQ isn’t good.

I am pretty sure I am still over training, even though I don’t want to.
I’m doing the standard routine; 5mins hot wrap - 5mins stretch - 10mins jelq - 5mins hot wrap - kegels.
If I’m not over doing it by stretching and/or jelqing, than it’s because I do too many kegels and do them too hard.

Well to end this shitty talk of me, I’ll apply less pressure when doing the routine, if I see no change (not even a tiny improvement of EQ), I think I will take 2 weeks off.
To be honest, I feel bad about it, and it’s stupid. I feel bad because when I’m not PE’ing for a couple of days/weeks, I THINK that’s decreasing size and EQ even more..

* One more thing: I don’t know why or how but it seems that I am actually thinking and living with/by my dick. Hard to explain.. It’s like every move I make has something to do with my penis. It’s almost like my penis is the only part of my body which I can feel, care about, see etc.. Oh man, I can’t explain..

I think we all then to get “penis obsessed” and it tends to work against us, especially those that are sensitive to trauma.

For those that over train with jelquing, I think its primarily due to using too much force. I suggest really being careful about the force you use, try and keep it in the pleasant range. Later on when you get back on track, then you can experiment with using more force…but you have to get that EQ back first.

Sparky, I wanted to ask this now while I’m thinking about it. I’m going to read the whole thread but it takes some time. What do you have to say about about trying to specifically gain length or girth. Do you (or anyone else) have any specific advice about either PIs or specific exercises to target one or the other. The reason I ask is that I’m an average to easy length gainer but a hard girth gainer. Actually the girth gains aren’t bad but they’ve basically only came during two periods - when I first started PE and when I restarted it several years later. From what I’m saying the answer for me might be frequent decon breaks but I’m worried that girth growth might only work for me after looong breaks. Anything helps!

Also, take a look at this thread:

Does anyone do heavy and light days?

What I’m trying to do now is give myself the consistent stimulus for length and what I perceive to be the perfect timing for girth. This is the first week on the new program and it seems to be helping my PIs already.

Thanks.

Love your avatar, that guy cracks me up!

I think EQ is EQ. The difference is how your stress your dick to produce the wanted gains. Mostly girth requires more compression or squeezing of your penis, and in general I think that tends to me more stressful and therefore usually needs more time to recover…but thats a very broad generalization.

In general, its good to work up to a real good EQ level and let that be your baseline.

So, for example, lets just say you decide to clamp. Your baseline is frequent and very hard nite wood, occasional morning wood. You find you get hard easy, no porn needed and stay hard easily, very little stimulation needed.

So now you decide 3 sets of 5 minutes of moderate to high pressure clamping is what you are going to do. You do it and when you are done, you find you can’t get a good hard erection, its about 90 % erect, even with porn. That nite you notice no nite wood at all. The next day, you can get hard, but it is more difficult and you aren’t fully hard.

Is this over training? Maybe, maybe not. I think you need to see when your EQ returns to its normal baseline, how long it takes and what is the result or gains from it.

So to continue, you lay off completely, because you know until your EQ returns to its baseline, you haven’t fully recovered from your PE session, so it makes no sense to hit it again until its fully recovered.

So, after 3 days off, nite wood comes raging back, actually harder than before and more frequent. During the day, you are getting a few spontaneous hard ons and your flaccid hangs fuller during the day. When you measure your bpfl, you find that you may have increased 1/8 inch, but because its easy for that to be within your margin of measuring error, your not sure.

This is an ideal scenario, but illustrates the concept in action. Now, you may have less dramatic swings, not as much decline of EQ or not as great increase, but the concept is the same. You may find that only one day rest is needed before you EQ returns to baseline or no rest at all is needed.

After kicking this concept around for a while and getting feed back from others, I think most guys have to push the PE enough to get at least a small decline in EQ to have stimulated gains. HOWEVER, a big drop in EQ tends to indicate too much trauma…but really you have to experiment for yourself.

Sparkyx, what about if you’re working the tunica? Does it matter if your erection quality suffers since you’re stretching the tunica?

My thoughts are: The more you stretch the tunica, the more you’re going to stimulate growth- I don’t believe you can overtrain this. Well, I take that back. There is a point where you need a break just to get back to a tolerable soreness. At least, that was how it was for when I worked on ligs. If there was a point where the soreness was so ridiculously intense, I would take a day off, otherwise, my erections were great.

I DO think you can overtrain the structure of the penis, as far as the CC, etc. is concerned since we’re talking about muscles here. It’s smooth muscle, but muscle nonetheless.

What do you think?

I forgot to mention, the reason I’m concerned with this frequency with tunica work, is my fear that if I don’t frequently exercise the tunica, the size will remain the same. I got to thinking of this, especially with some of the stuff that Kojack10 was recently posting.