The SuckXtender - just remember it sucks!

Mr T, I think it might get a bit complicated trying to combine the different types of hanging attachment, but let us know if you manage it!

Good to hear you got the vacuum attachment working. I think you are going the right route by starting doing a bit of hanging with it. You can try using it with the bungee or stretcher system once you’ve got the system working well hanging.

What I like about my present set up (suckXtender stretcher) is that it very simple and easy to use.

PS I know what you mean about the sellotape. It can cause little skin nicks as well. I now use surgical tape which is pretty much like masking tape.

mbuc

I like paper tape and remove it with baby oil. I put it right on the tip of the glans (where the blisters tend to form) and it works well

I haven’t read this thread for a while, and just skimmed it all to get up to speed (there’s a lot of it!). I have two questions, and I hope I’m not asking something that’s already been covered:

1. What weight have you been using? I noted you said you’d probably hook up a couple of Kg but didn’t see any specific weight listed.

2. In the earlier weeks and in your graph, it looked like a fairly linear progression. Are you starting to see it tail off in the last couple of weeks or am I reading it wrong?

Thanks.

1) Not sure exactly. At the start of the stretcher picture thread I hung 2kg and then used the stretcher to give a sort of equivalent pull. I think that picture may have been a bit confusing because in practise I don’t hang any weight, I just pull out the stretcher.

I’m sure the tension is way above what a noose or strap attachment could produce. I pull as much as I comfortably can and I’m fairly sure it’s in the 2kg region.

2) Here’s an updated graph. It’s still linear - I hope it stays that way for a while yet!

Those are some very impressive gains, especially in light of your results previous to this experiment. I really like the vacuum form of attachment ever since I molded a silicone cast for the glans. It didn’t last long before breaking, and in hindsight probably wasn’t as practical as the method you’re using here.

I’ve yet to build my next device, as I haven’t fully settled on what method to use yet, but it will be vacuum based, and probably glans vaccum only. I’m hoping for something I can use ADS at around the 1kg mark (elastic pull, not actual weights). Your experiment provides some very useful information with regard to the right amount of force.

As I posted in another thread recently, there’s a ‘law’ that was proposed by Arndt-Shultz that went something like this: “weak stimuli slightly accelerate the vital activity, middle -strong stimuli raise it, strong ones suppress it and very strong ones halt it”. This was further refined by Halm, Oberbaum and Cambar 1993/4 as “Every stimulus on a living cell elicits an activity which is inversely proportional to the intensity of the stimulus”. In this case they were mostly talking about reaction of proteins to poisons and fungus, but I believe the principle holds true in many functions of the body.

If we interpret the above as amount of force/stretch, and the subsequent adaptation to it, then I believe what we would find is that the body would adapt differently depending on the amount of force. Small weight causing slight adaptation (gains), more weight causing greater gains, higher weight still, supressing gains (adaptation role switching to strenghening rather than lenthening), and huge weight halting gains altogether but producing a tougher tissue. If you think about this in terms of say a hamstring, it makes sense for it to use lengthening as an adaptation under mild and repeated stresses (eg. ballet stretching), but to instead adapt by become stronger if loads are increased (squats for example).

People class ADS and hanging as two types of exercise. I believe they are two ends of the same bell curve, and time is the wildcard variable. I think what you’re doing here is finding a good place near the top of the rise of that bell curve. I say on the rise since so far the gains appear to be linear. If it were beyond the peak then I would expect gains to drop off since concurrent to gains there would be strengthening adaptation (hence the need for hangers to increase weight or else accept plateau).

I for one hope your gains continue at this rate for the rest of the year and beyond, as we will have learned a very important piece of the puzzle.

Yeah, a bit like Goldilocks, I’m hoping that the tension I’m using is not too much and not too little, but is just right. I am pretty patient and will ride these gains for as long as they keep coming.

Weight/strain chart for a dick
By using around 1.5-2.0 kg I’m making sure the tough fibres are stressed, but not too stressed. And the stretcher is not like hanging (or a spring loaded stretcher) because over the course of an hour session the tension reduces slightly as the penis stretches. There has been some speculation that this static stress reduction is more effective in tissue growth than a fixed stress (tension).

Sometimes I doubt my measurements but the longer they keep increasing the less chance there is I am deluding myself. I am pretty certain now that something is really happening.

I remember reading a paper on that. Do you remember the thread where that PDF is located?

Also, I have experimented with using the film canister and Monty’s lead weights. It sucks big time. With every step, I feel a pleasant little suckle as the weight swings. It many not be as effective as the static approach but boy does it put a smile on my face.

Weight/strain chart for a dick came from this thread this thread. I made some calculation errors early in the thread which undermines some of the early discussion about the penimaster type level of tension being adequate for a full stretch. The corrected chart suggests a level of 1000g may not be quite enough IMHO.

The big advantage of the suckX stretcher is that it can put a comfortable 2kg tension on your dick for an hour at a time. That I think takes into a class of its own among stretchers.

Can’t find the link for the static progressive stretch pdf but mgus quotes a bit of it here, mgus - Penile stress/strain relationship

I would have thought the opposite - that it would be better to stay just on the rising side of the ‘knee’ of the curve, in order to keep the adaptation as gains rather than resistance, though I am aware that’s completely unscientific of me to blaht that out without supporting data.

The fixed stress idea makes sense in that the tissues, sensing the decrease in strain when it elongates could encourage lengthening, whereas sustained tension would not indicate any benefit to the tissue by lengthening (as the stress is not reducing). It might sound a little crazy, but I like to give things such as tissue this ‘personality’ in order to anticipate response. Depspite the craziness I don’t think it’s completely without merit, as it is after all just anticipating responses to environmental conditions.

I’d like to see the same chart you produced done by some unconditioned people, and some very conditioned people. I suspect we would each have our own curve that would determine the best weights at our particular stage in our PE careers (perhaps re-run the calibration once per month).

<<The fixed stress idea makes sense in that the tissues, sensing the decrease in strain when it elongates could encourage lengthening, whereas sustained tension would not indicate any benefit to the tissue by lengthening (as the stress is not reducing). It might sound a little crazy, but I like to give things such as tissue this 'personality' in order to anticipate response. Depspite the craziness I don't think it's completely without merit, as it is after all just anticipating responses to environmental conditions.>>Shiver

Like you I have no scientific arguement or evidence to back it up but I also like the idea. I think of it as a positive feedback loop that encourages the behaviour we want from our tissue.

The tissue feels the tension, the tissues remodels/grows, the tension reduces, tissues are happy.

Another thought: With the vacuum area of the cup, is it really possible to have a static stretch, or would the vacuum gap accommodate some of the loss of stress?

No, I don’t see how. The vacuum is purely a function of the tension, reduce the tension and the vacuum reduces accordingly.

Is the fixed stress idea applicable to other types of extender (autoextender)?

I don’t know the details of the various stretchers, some have spring or tensioning devices in their rods and I would consider them more fixed stress.

The ones that have a simple fixed rod will allow more stress relief as the penis elongates in response to the tension.