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More proof that long periods of hanging may be beneficial?

My opinion

Originally Posted by pudd1ng
@LGHanger

I have been out of micro foam tape a while and don’t have the funds (due to the virus) at the moment. I do have micro pore tape but this does not expand. Been experimenting and realised without tape I get a much better hold and with a hell of lot less vacuum, been packing the chamber with cotton wool balls (might be called something else in the states) and this seems to cushion my glans so there not rubbing against the chamber. I’m hoping with just light weight (under 6lbs) hanging over a fulcrum or soon to experiment with bundled this won’t cause blisters. Do you think this is just stupid to try or could work?

You sound like you’re a conscientious PE trainer. I believe you can completely eliminate the potential blister if you can recognize the warning signs that one is forming. Check out the article I wrote on our blog called “Blisters - how to avoid them and what to do if you get one”.
Just type in “blisters” in the search bar of our blog and it will take you to it. I have also posted it on the TP forum several times. Not sure how long you’ve been training, but Fulcrums and Bundles can be very effective at promoting length and girth gains, provided you’re ready for that type of advanced training.

So with my current work schedule I have been put on working from home until further notice. I would like to maximize this time for my benefit. I have been hanging 1 hour sessions 1-2 times a day, for about a total of 10 hours a week hang time. Right now I switch back and forth between 7.5 and 10 pounds depending on what I’m feeling.

That being said, it was a bit of a struggle to find 10 hours a week to hang, but I made it happen. Now I have plenty of time sitting around where I can hang.

I’ve started hanging more but I’m finding the soreness picking up a bit. I’m wondering if since I have more time available I should try a different schedule. I tried 30 mins on 30 mins off for a total of 2 hours hang time. And it seemed ok though maybe pushing it a little harder hanging so often. I’m wondering if something like 20/30 or 20/40 would be better.

I’m using the LG hanger and hanging BTC or SD depending on my sitting angle. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Robotzorro
So with my current work schedule I have been put on working from home until further notice. I would like to maximize this time for my benefit. I have been hanging 1 hour sessions 1-2 times a day, for about a total of 10 hours a week hang time. Right now I switch back and forth between 7.5 and 10 pounds depending on what I’m feeling.

That being said, it was a bit of a struggle to find 10 hours a week to hang, but I made it happen. Now I have plenty of time sitting around where I can hang.

I’ve started hanging more but I’m finding the soreness picking up a bit. I’m wondering if since I have more time available I should try a different schedule. I tried 30 mins on 30 mins off for a total of 2 hours hang time. And it seemed ok though maybe pushing it a little harder hanging so often. I’m wondering if something like 20/30 or 20/40 would be better.

I’m using the LG hanger and hanging BTC or SD depending on my sitting angle. Thoughts?

It’s good you’re hitting fatigue right?

I find hanging back to back with as much time as I have seems to be most effective for me

Yesterday I hung an hour before work, then an hour after work

Rest days

Originally Posted by Robotzorro
So with my current work schedule I have been put on working from home until further notice. I would like to maximize this time for my benefit. I have been hanging 1 hour sessions 1-2 times a day, for about a total of 10 hours a week hang time. Right now I switch back and forth between 7.5 and 10 pounds depending on what I’m feeling.

That being said, it was a bit of a struggle to find 10 hours a week to hang, but I made it happen. Now I have plenty of time sitting around where I can hang.

I’ve started hanging more but I’m finding the soreness picking up a bit. I’m wondering if since I have more time available I should try a different schedule. I tried 30 mins on 30 mins off for a total of 2 hours hang time. And it seemed ok though maybe pushing it a little harder hanging so often. I’m wondering if something like 20/30 or 20/40 would be better.

I’m using the LG hanger and hanging BTC or SD depending on my sitting angle. Thoughts?

Soreness can be a good sign that you’re training is effective. However if the soreness is affecting your erection quality it’s an indicator that you’re over training, and need a little more time to rest and recover. Try training two days on, one day off, two days on, one day off. On your “off” days work on erection quality. Meaning work yourself into a good erection for 15-20 minutes. Try and stay between 75%- 100% erect state. You can switch things up a little too. Only train with the heavier weight two days a week and the other two days stay with 7.5 lbs. Just be sure to follow up each hang session with your aggressive hand stretches for 5-10 minutes. Then wear your Girth Bands / or band singular to prevent retraction and help keep your flaccid long and full while you recover.

I also suggest supplementing with a high quality vitamin C (preferably gel cap) 2000 mg per day minimum. This helps promote collagen remodeling, which is essential for tissue repair and cell regeneration. I also recommend L-Arginine to help promote better blood flow and improved erection quality.
Even a small dose of Cialis 5-10 mg on days you work on erection quality will work great too, but stick to natural supplements if they do the job, before you use a pharmaceutical.

Originally Posted by Peispossible
It’s good you’re hitting fatigue right?

I find hanging back to back with as much time as I have seems to be most effective for me

Yesterday I hung an hour before work, then an hour after work

Yes I would say hanging more often means I’m hitting fatigue sooner in a session. Hanging once before work and once after work for an hour it felt like it took longer to hit fatigue. For the most part I’ve stepped back from 10lbs and am using 7.5 consistently. It feels like the fatigue comes on very quick once I am a session into the day.

Originally Posted by LGHanger
Soreness can be a good sign that you’re training is effective. However if the soreness is affecting your erection quality it’s an indicator that you’re over training, and need a little more time to rest and recover. Try training two days on, one day off, two days on, one day off. On your “off” days work on erection quality. Meaning work yourself into a good erection for 15-20 minutes. Try and stay between 75%- 100% erect state. You can switch things up a little too. Only train with the heavier weight two days a week and the other two days stay with 7.5 lbs. Just be sure to follow up each hang session with your aggressive hand stretches for 5-10 minutes. Then wear your Girth Bands / or band singular to prevent retraction and help keep your flaccid long and full while you recover.

I also suggest supplementing with a high quality vitamin C (preferably gel cap) 2000 mg per day minimum. This helps promote collagen remodeling, which is essential for tissue repair and cell regeneration. I also recommend L-Arginine to help promote better blood flow and improved erection quality.
Even a small dose of Cialis 5-10 mg on days you work on erection quality will work great too, but stick to natural supplements if they do the job, before you use a pharmaceutical.

No decrease in erection quality. If I edge after hanging I have a full erection that measures about 1/4 longer than morning wood.

Typically weekends end up being rest days.

I do take a multivitamin but I don’t think it has that much vitamin C. I also take larginine or lcitrulin for the improved blood flow. Overall I’ve been in a good spot where I’m not having erection quality issues but I’m gaining. I’m trying to keep the weight low, increase time, and wait for a plateau before upping weight.

I bought the hanger in December, had some missteps and blisters, and really go into the swing in January. Measured last week and I have gained 0.75” in BPEL, and after hanging get an extra 0.25 on BPEL and BPFSL. It seems like base girth hasn’t changed but I swear it feels like I’ve gained girth. Hard to measure consistently. Overall it’s working, I don’t want an injury, I don’t want to over train, but I have much more time available so right now I can put in the time.

I typically edge/masturbate for long enough everyday to keep a full erection for at least 20 mins. Plus I have pretty full morning wood from about 3am-6am which are generally my fullest erections.

I’ve been using the sleeve instead of girth bands, I had a hard time with the girth bands, maybe too tight? What I do is after hanging I pull the rubber band off and slip the Sleeve off the hanger, leaving it and the wrap in place. This keeps me roughly extended as when I’m hanging. Though it does slip after awhile and eventually gets uncomfortable and I take it off.

Advice

Originally Posted by Robotzorro
No decrease in erection quality. If I edge after hanging I have a full erection that measures about 1/4 longer than morning wood.

Typically weekends end up being rest days.

I do take a multivitamin but I don’t think it has that much vitamin C. I also take larginine or lcitrulin for the improved blood flow. Overall I’ve been in a good spot where I’m not having erection quality issues but I’m gaining. I’m trying to keep the weight low, increase time, and wait for a plateau before upping weight.

I bought the hanger in December, had some missteps and blisters, and really go into the swing in January. Measured last week and I have gained 0.75” in BPEL, and after hanging get an extra 0.25 on BPEL and BPFSL. It seems like base girth hasn’t changed but I swear it feels like I’ve gained girth. Hard to measure consistently. Overall it’s working, I don’t want an injury, I don’t want to over train, but I have much more time available so right now I can put in the time.

I typically edge/masturbate for long enough everyday to keep a full erection for at least 20 mins. Plus I have pretty full morning wood from about 3am-6am which are generally my fullest erections.

I’ve been using the sleeve instead of girth bands, I had a hard time with the girth bands, maybe too tight? What I do is after hanging I pull the rubber band off and slip the Sleeve off the hanger, leaving it and the wrap in place. This keeps me roughly extended as when I’m hanging. Though it does slip after awhile and eventually gets uncomfortable and I take it off.

First and foremost you are still what I would consider in the very beginner stages of weight hanging. Based on the limited amount of time you’ve been using the device (which I didn’t know from your first post) you are using too much weight. It took me three full months of dedicated hanging 5-6 days a week, two sessions per day starting out with only 3 lbs before I gradually got up to the 8 lb level. In my opinion you’re being too aggressive and probably should back off a little on the amount of weight. It doesn’t surprise me to hear you had blister issues. The temptation to go heavy too soon will bite everyone who tries it with a blister. This is exactly why vacuum hanging doesn’t work for some guys, they just get too ambitious with weight and don’t learn from mistakes. It’s like trying to get a nice suntan in a couple days…. you’ll get burned and blistered!

Last of all if your Girth Bands are too tight, you probably need to go up in size. There’s a suggested size chart on our blog. You can also stretch them out if you stretch them over a much larger object for 24-48 hours. However a section of silicon sleeve can work almost as well as a Girth Band to prevent retraction.
I don’t care for your method of dismounting either. I would recommend you use the method shown in the instruction manual. Your sleeve will last longer and provide a better seal that doesn’t leak vacuum.

Originally Posted by LGHanger
First and foremost you are still what I would consider in the very beginner stages of weight hanging. Based on the limited amount of time you’ve been using the device (which I didn’t know from your first post) you are using too much weight. It took me three full months of dedicated hanging 5-6 days a week, two sessions per day starting out with only 3 lbs before I gradually got up to the 8 lb level. In my opinion you’re being too aggressive and probably should back off a little on the amount of weight. It doesn’t surprise me to hear you had blister issues. The temptation to go heavy too soon will bite everyone who tries it with a blister. This is exactly why vacuum hanging doesn’t work for some guys, they just get too ambitious with weight and don’t learn from mistakes. It’s like trying to get a nice suntan in a couple days.. You’ll get burned and blistered!

Last of all if your Girth Bands are too tight, you probably need to go up in size. There’s a suggested size chart on our blog. You can also stretch them out if you stretch them over a much larger object for 24-48 hours. However a section of silicon sleeve can work almost as well as a Girth Band to prevent retraction.
I don’t care for your method of dismounting either. I would recommend you use the method shown in the instruction manual. Your sleeve will last longer and provide a better seal that doesn’t leak vacuum.

Hey thanks for the reply. I started at 2 pounds and was following the recommended step up and at either 2.5 or 3 I got the blister. Took a week off to heal then went back to what I was hanging, and then the next day it happened again. Took another week off and paid closer attention to wrapping and no more. I think the first time wrapping was an issue, and then the second not being fully recovered with too much(or any) weight played a role. That was around the end of December or early Jan. Since then I’ve been stepping up about 0.5 pounds per week until last week when I made the jump to 10. Hanging twice a day with the 10 seemed fine, however this multiple shorter sessions the 10 feels like too much I’ve decided. Even the 7.5 is feeling like it’s maybe too much. Maybe it’s something about being closer to fatigue by doing more frequent shorter sessions? Either way 7.5 feels good for now so I’ll play with this new routine and see where it gets me and if I need to adjust weight down more for more frequent sessions, maybe so, no big deal if that’s better to give me more time hanging. More time at lower weight seems better to me than less at higher, helps keep me in an elongated state longer really.

I might order some more sleeves and bands, I measure about 4.5 behind the head, about 5.5 mid shaft, and 6 at the base. I went with 1” ID thinking it would be better to go for the tighter for the smallest dimension. Probably doesn’t make sense on the bands since I use them lower down compared to behind the head. I think I just talked myself into buying 1.125 next.

Ultimately I decided on this method of dismount because it was way more effective way to get the sleeve to prevent retraction. I basically gave up on using a bit of sleeve on its own as I find it impossible to get on effectively by itself. The hanger acts as a “shoe horn” to put the sleeve on, so ending a hang by leaving the sleeved or retraction worked nicely.

I bought spare sleeve material so if something does happen I have ready to go extra. I’ll make another attempt with girth bands as well as larger bands and sleeves. If the sleeves last half as long doing it this way but it gives me a useable way to stay extended for awhile after hanging, then I think I can deal with the cost.

Appreciate the advice, I’ll keep the weight lower and see where it goes, and try stepping up a size. Been very pleased with the hangar!

Finding your "Sweet spot"

Originally Posted by Robotzorro
Hey thanks for the reply. I started at 2 pounds and was following the recommended step up and at either 2.5 or 3 I got the blister. Took a week off to heal then went back to what I was hanging, and then the next day it happened again. Took another week off and paid closer attention to wrapping and no more. I think the first time wrapping was an issue, and then the second not being fully recovered with too much(or any) weight played a role. That was around the end of December or early Jan. Since then I’ve been stepping up about 0.5 pounds per week until last week when I made the jump to 10. Hanging twice a day with the 10 seemed fine, however this multiple shorter sessions the 10 feels like too much I’ve decided. Even the 7.5 is feeling like it’s maybe too much. Maybe it’s something about being closer to fatigue by doing more frequent shorter sessions? Either way 7.5 feels good for now so I’ll play with this new routine and see where it gets me and if I need to adjust weight down more for more frequent sessions, maybe so, no big deal if that’s better to give me more time hanging. More time at lower weight seems better to me than less at higher, helps keep me in an elongated state longer really.

I might order some more sleeves and bands, I measure about 4.5 behind the head, about 5.5 mid shaft, and 6 at the base. I went with 1” ID thinking it would be better to go for the tighter for the smallest dimension. Probably doesn’t make sense on the bands since I use them lower down compared to behind the head. I think I just talked myself into buying 1.125 next.

Ultimately I decided on this method of dismount because it was way more effective way to get the sleeve to prevent retraction. I basically gave up on using a bit of sleeve on its own as I find it impossible to get on effectively by itself. The hanger acts as a “shoe horn” to put the sleeve on, so ending a hang by leaving the sleeved or retraction worked nicely.

I bought spare sleeve material so if something does happen I have ready to go extra. I’ll make another attempt with girth bands as well as larger bands and sleeves. If the sleeves last half as long doing it this way but it gives me a useable way to stay extended for awhile after hanging, then I think I can deal with the cost.

Appreciate the advice, I’ll keep the weight lower and see where it goes, and try stepping up a size. Been very pleased with the hangar!

Happy to hear you like the LG Hanger! PE is very intuitive… nobody responds the same and while there are some fundamentals you need to adhere to you need to find what is working best for you when it comes to preventing blisters. I will post my “Blister” article again, along with my definition of “fatigue” and how to recognize it.

Blisters - how to avoid them and what to do if you get one

The only negative trait of vacuum hanging is the potential for a blister. I too have experienced an annoying blister and it took me some time to figure out exactly what causes them and how to avoid them. So let’s talk about what the main contributors are to creating a blister….

There are a variety of nuanced reasons for blisters, but the primary cause is trying to use too much weight or hang for too long of a time duration (or a combination of both) before you have developed the proper amount of skin conditioning. The meatus skin is very sensitive and delicate skin. Vacuum pressure is directly exerted upon this area, so it’s vitally important to find the glans protection wrap method that works best for you. We have three methods, all of which are based upon a personal preference. I suggest you experiment to find which method best suits you.

The process required to achieve the skin conditioning that allows you to successfully hang is analogous to getting a sun tan or working with your hands. You wouldn’t go out on the first day of summer and expose yourself to several hours of sun without getting burned. If you weren’t accustomed to working with your hands and decided to chop some wood one weekend you’d likely get blisters on the palms of your hands. Maybe these aren’t great analogies, but I think you understand the point I’m trying to make. So what is the best way to condition your meatus skin? The answer is to deliberately start with a light weight and hang time. In our instruction manual we have a suggested beginner routine. I started with only 3 lbs for 30 minutes, twice a day, one session in the morning and another session later in the afternoon or evening. It took me three full months of dedicated training 5-6 days per week to incrementally go from 3 lbs for 30 minutes up to 8 lbs for a full hour. For many men who already have a significant amount of PE training under their proverbial belt this initial beginner phase of conditioning seems to be too light, and the temptation to accelerate to heavier weight and longer hang sessions ends up being detrimental.

It’s very important to gradually make small incremental increases in weight and time. I used a pyramid method and this is an example…. starting with 3 lbs for two 30 minute sessions per day. After a solid week with this weight and time I increased the hang time by another 10 minutes, then after another week 10 more minutes, until I was up to a full hour with no complications. Then I added two pounds, but dropped back down to 30 minutes and repeated the same process over again. Remember the two fold goal is to reach fatigue and develop skin conditioning. Going heavier and longer isn’t a shortcut to greater / faster gains.

Now let me give you some inside baseball information on how to prevent a blister. There’s a distinct sensation to be aware of during your hang session, and if you can tune into it you will prevent a blister. If at any time during your hang session you feel a slight itchy or tingly sensation on the tip of your penis then that’s the red flag signal that you need to immediately stop your hang. If you ignore it or don’t recognize it you will develop a blister. If you heed this advice you will be on the road to successful weight hanging that will manifest length and girth gains and help you avoid blisters!

If you stop your hang once you feel this sensation, remove your chamber and inspect your penis / meatus skin. If you see a very small blister forming, say the size of a BB, leave it alone. Usually the next day your body will have absorbed the little bit of fluid and the skin will have re-attached. If however the blister is larger, say the size of a pea then sterilize a needle, pop and drain it, but don’t remove the skin! Apply some anti-biotic ointment like Polysporin or Neosporin and cover it with a small band aid to keep your clothing from rubbing against the area and aggravating it. Give it time to heal, usually 3 - 5 days depending on the severity and size of the blister. Begin to trim the dead skin away with some cosmetic scissors or a pair of fingernail clippers. During this healing time continue to do your hand stretching exercises. Do not pump or hang during the healing process. Bottom line…. live and learn. Once you resume your weight hang training you want to drop your hang weight and time by at least 50% while you recondition that new virgin skin. Then incrementally work back up to where you once were. The primary goal is to find a weight that you can successfully hang with for a full hour with no complications. Once you reach that goal then and only then should you think about adding more weight.

There’s one more potential blister creator, and that’s using too much vacuum pressure! Typically I recommend using as little vacuum pressure as needed. Remember this is not a penis pump! All you want is enough vacuum pressure to create a good seal between your penis skin and the silicon sleeve. The skin / sleeve seal is what allows the chamber to hold vacuum. If the integrity of that seal is compromised then you’ll likely experience weight slippage, and most guys try and counter act that with more vacuum. I suggest as a guideline to use no more than 10 Hg’s of vacuum pressure. I feel it’s extremely important to have a hand pump that accurately indicates Hg pressure.

Making sure you properly maintain your silicon sleeve will go a long ways in preventing vacuum leaks and weight slippage. I recommend after 30 - 40 hours of training that you remove your sleeve from your chamber and wash it with warm / hot water and anti-bacterial dish soap. Blow dry it with a hair dryer or clean cotton towel (no paper towels - too much lint). This will help restore your rubber’s sealing capabilities and tackiness, and also prolong the life of your rubber. Sleeves do wear out, but if properly cared for they should last a minimum of 4 months. If you start to experience weight slips due to vacuum leaks then it’s time for a new rubber sleeve.

I hope this helps those of you who have experienced the set back of a blister! Just remember to be patient and think marathon and not sprint.

Foldus

Fatigue properly defined

FATIGUE: What does it mean to Reach Fatigue in Penis Enlargement

“Fatigue” doesn’t always accompany soreness. It’s more of a state of condition than a feel. Although you can have symptoms of soreness, but that depends on the level of your training, and the plateaus that you reach.

If you base everything on the feel you get from ligament soreness then you have not properly defined “fatigue”. Obviously as you progress into heavier more intense training you can feel the following symptoms……

#1 - Soreness at the base of your penis, since your ligament is attached to your pubic bone you should feel it more internally behind the fat pad.

#2 - Mild tenderness within your penis shaft. I wouldn’t classify this as soreness, but more like muscle or tissue awareness. Meaning if you massage or squeeze your penis you should feel like it’s been used or worked.

#3 - Soreness in you sphincter muscle. Occasionally as you graduate to heavier weight the initial sessions can manifest a soreness in your sphincter muscle. This means your body is reacting to the stress of the workload and tensing up. This is where you really need to learn to relax that pelvic floor muscle, and feel that stretch to it’s fullest.

#4 - A very loose and pliable flaccid penis. This is the condition you should experience after a good hang session. It’s also the time to take full advantage of this “fatigue” and do 10 - 15 minutes of very aggressive hand stretches. The hang work is what facilitates the “fatigue” and it’s where you’ll be able to stretch, twist and bend your penis beyond what you can normally do prior to a weight hanging session. It’s in this condition that you probably wouldn’t be able to achieve a 100% hard erection. This is FATIGUE!

It’s my experienced that erect length gains come from flaccid length gains. Your penis can be stretched to greater lengths while flaccid than while erect.
You’ll never hear anyone say that they have a 7” flaccid penis, but only a 6” erection. Over time the difference between your flaccid length and erect length will become less. For me if I had to put a percentage on it, it would be approximately 30%

If you are looking to target the ligament stretch more intensely without going to heavier weight, then use a Fulcrum bar as close to the base area as possible, all the way up to the point where you have to push your testicles backwards. Only do not exceed 15 minutes of Fulcrum hanging, as it will cut off circulation to a point. You can do sets of Fulcrums in between SD hanging

Bundle hanging is another exercise that will promote extreme fatigue, but this is an advanced weight hanging PE exercise that I don’t recommend for novice PE’ers. You should have a minimum of 6 months to a full year of dedicated PE training under your belt and have gained a minimum of 1/2” - 1” before you experiment with this exercise.

Hey everyone,
I have an autoxleeve system with the 9oz and 14oz weighted caps. I have been doing PE on and off for awhile but I have finally been able to stick to a routine. I’m not jelqing currently because I want to get good length before I work on girth. My stretching routine goes like this.
First week: manual stretches for 10-12 minutes in shower(hot water as heat source)
Second week: used weighted 9oz cap and sleeve as an ADS for ~12 hrs a day and did manual stretches in shower for maybe just 10 minutes.
This week: I bundled the weights together for a total of 23 oz as an ADS ~ 8 - 12 hrs, and if discomfort comes I will remove but I have barely had any discomfort. Starting to notice very slight discoloration at the base, so obviously the hanging is working. And again, manual stretching warm ups and downs in the shower around 10 minutes.

I have noticed a bigger flaccid hang and a slight increase in erect length. I have not taken measurements and I think I will start recording that. I just want some feedback on this routine if it is too aggressive or not. Again, I’m barely feeling discomfort.

Feedback

Originally Posted by Wtjracer
Hey everyone,
I have an autoxleeve system with the 9oz and 14oz weighted caps. I have been doing PE on and off for awhile but I have finally been able to stick to a routine. I’m not jelqing currently because I want to get good length before I work on girth. My stretching routine goes like this.
First week: manual stretches for 10-12 minutes in shower(hot water as heat source)
Second week: used weighted 9oz cap and sleeve as an ADS for ~12 hrs a day and did manual stretches in shower for maybe just 10 minutes.
This week: I bundled the weights together for a total of 23 oz as an ADS ~ 8 - 12 hrs, and if discomfort comes I will remove but I have barely had any discomfort. Starting to notice very slight discoloration at the base, so obviously the hanging is working. And again, manual stretching warm ups and downs in the shower around 10 minutes.

I have noticed a bigger flaccid hang and a slight increase in erect length. I have not taken measurements and I think I will start recording that. I just want some feedback on this routine if it is too aggressive or not. Again, I’m barely feeling discomfort.

IMO this is and extremely light routine. The weight just isn’t enough to generate much of a gain in length or girth. You didn’t say how much of a rotation you’re using on the Bundle…. 180* degrees? (1/2 rotation), 270* degrees? (3/4 rotation), 360* degrees? (full rotation).

Originally Posted by LGHanger
IMO this is and extremely light routine. The weight just isn’t enough to generate much of a gain in length or girth. You didn’t say how much of a rotation you’re using on the Bundle.. 180* degrees? (1/2 rotation), 270* degrees? (3/4 rotation), 360* degrees? (full rotation).

Not sure what you mean from rotation, but I’m just wearing it as an ADS stretching straight down.

Misunderstood

Originally Posted by Wtjracer
Not sure what you mean from rotation, but I’m just wearing it as an ADS stretching straight down.

I mis-understood your comment when you said you “bundled” the weights.

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