Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Do you see any potential benefits to a setup like this?
If so, is it a practical benefit or just a slight benefit
which really isn’t worth the hassle? Would this potentially help with girth work? What if we hung SO with bundled stretches through a contraption like this and the tube was open ended on each side to facilitate hanging?

It would not exactly be easy to make or train with and I can imagine it would be quite large. What other downsides could you imagine?

We’ve been contemplating the most effective devices for quite some time and many variations have been tested. In the end, the ideal device would not need to be in contact with the penis and would not need to be precisely guided manually, which means either RF through air or US through water. Both have specific problems. The former must deal with interference of nearby metal and likely a requirement for at least some digital logic. The latter doesn’t benefit from large ERA and therefore needs multiple sound heads. Also water is inconvenient.

Thanks for explaining. It will be very interesting to reread this 20 years from now.

If someone wants to spend $25k in the name of science, I’m confident the BTL Vanquish Flex applicators could be adapted to work well for PE.

At that point there is a fair chance that I will have bit the bullet and just developed the appropriate device. I’ve loosely drafted up an extender that applies a very precise digitally controlled strain and heat protocol. Just sit back and relax as it runs through the ideal protocol with constant load, strain, and temp monitoring.

The main thing deterring me now is that I live in the US and the FDA is a real thing here. Not worth it to create the prototype if I couldn’t make it commercial.

Man, appropriate levels of ultrasound heat is tough to achieve. Even with 10 minutes on the same half, the temperature between my leg and unit barely hits 35 degrees C.

Seriously considering investing in an RF device at this point. But they seem to range between 700-1500 USD which makes me want to ensure I get one that’ll work..

This makes me think if everything is still not right with the setup and the protocol of yours.
Please would you give the details in bullet form once again. The size of the heated shaft as well if you will.

I’m confused as to why US wouldn’t hit target temps. I agree that US is somewhat tedious, but it is effective.

AFAIK, I’m the only one using RF and my device is clinical grade and cost $20k+ used. I don’t think there is any assurance that a lighter grade home unit will work. Albeit, I’d love to have you guys purchase and try several to see. But purchase and test at your own risk.

Coming back from my absence, I’ve scanned through a couple logs including this one and noticed a couple recent themes…

Kyrpa is very insistent that everyone find their own load strain curve. This is very true for a couple reasons. First, your tissue and organ dimensions and structure will vary as compared to others. If you want the optimal, you’ve gotta figure out the curve. Second, it is difficult to give advice if there is no personal data to reference.

However, there are a few things that we pretty much have enough data to suggest. At this point, it would be highly abnormal to find someone for which the optimal load was not in the range of 2.0-4.0kg. It is always going to be very tempting to think if I just apply more load, I’ll get faster results. This is a lot like saying, “if I just double the baking temp, the cake will be ready sooner.” It doesn’t matter how often this approach is tested, it produces the same poor result.

Kyrpa correctly references the stiffening point of the viscoelastic tissue. The stiffening response is related to both the load and the strain rate. Most here use a generally rapid strain rate and consequently the max effective load is roughly about 3.0-3.5kg. Going much past this is generally fruitless and likely counterproductive. However, the max effective load can be increased if the rate of strain is precisely controlled and sufficiently slow.

Essentially, we must be careful to avoid focusing too heavily on just the load. It isn’t the avoidance of a specific load we are most concerned about. It is most important to stay just below the stiffening point of the tissues. Sufficiently slow strain rate will allow modestly higher loads and achieve greater strains safely and effectively. But I will say I’ve gone down to 0.5% strain per minute starting at loads of about 0.3kg. Even with this incredibly slow rate and well maintained heat, I’ve found virtually no indication that loads above 4kg would be either necessary or fruitful. I have however produced blisters at 4.5kg.

All this anecdotal evidence substantially agrees with the literature as well.

There is one more reason.
The PE community, and I mean in every platform and every guru there is, have ignored the basic science completely.
Having enough proven data we would base evyrything we do on the facts how the penis behaves when streched.
Until then the scene is relying on tales told on camp fires about the great grand PE fathers and how they felt the exhaustion.

Wouldn’t it be useful to create another excel template to simplify the data record of this very curve? With a few measurements and its mean value for example. If yes, I could create one.

In a second step I’d recommend a new “data collection thread” including the collection of the period protocols.

On the one hand, a regression analysis would be helpful. On the other hand, the data points need to be plentiful and reliable. Often bad data is worse than no data. Those submitting data would need to clearly understand the baselines and methods.

I suspect that the variation between individuals is not terribly large, but enough that a single prescription risks less than optimal results and some frustration.

It was Krypa’s proposal to measure the load strain curve for a several times in order to reduce the influence of bad data (see a few pages ago). Don’t you think this may avoid or at least reduce the problem of such bad data?

Absolutely. As long as everyone is clear on the methods and protocols that Kyrpa has established. Conditioning step needs to establish a reliable baseline and then measurement technique must be repeatable. Each person must be sure that they are achieving target temperature to the level that Kyrpa does. Things like that.

Forgive my cynical nature. In my professional career, gathering reliable data is always the hardest part.

I am full aware of the low credibility of the self gathered measurements coming from the individuals.

Measurements taken cold is the basis of all of the PE. This has variables minimized.

If gathering heated measurements the temperature needs to be monitored, otherwise the data is not usable.

Only way to reach lab grade measurements is to sit still clamped into a stool. Pins against the pubic bone and pressed against from the back.
The measuring device attached on the pins.

Even if we could recycle measuring device based on your invention, the extender setup, the measurements between individuals are biased because of different thickness fatpad around the base of the penis.