Gaining volume with Kyrpa

Could you talk to me about session duration?

Sure Buck. The phrasing of a question leaves a lot room. So I think you are looking for lenghty answer.
I need to digest series of family dinners first before digging deep for you.

Would you give a some extra info to build the case fitting you as close as possible.
The X4 Labs spring set you do have. 3600,3900 or 4200 grams?

3600 however I am adding tension past the point of it being bottomed out, so more than that. I could probably interpolate the tension pretty close by noting when it bottoms out and how much tension I add past that. I’ll do that at the next session.

After running the extender with load cell I can tell you that the stress (load) does not raise linearly once the linear spring range has been bottomed out.

The stress raises exponentally at the those loads ( 3.6kg or more exceeded) if the extender lenght is increased at that point. Your tissue is stiffening against the stress.

By the way the force level with restorex is not told, and I believe substantially higher than that is reached.

What do you suggest as a guideline?

The force of RestoreX at the WHITE band mark is 1500 grams.

Thank you . Please could you open the whole load range if you can?

I do NOT have the RestoreX.

I had simply sent an email asking the RestoreX company about the force of the white band marking.

They replied saying that when the white mark is covered is 1500grams tension.

Thanks. I looked into restorex operating manual and I see it meaning the white line covered is the maximal tension.
I was wrongly thinking the load to be adjusted by rods alone, but there is indeed spring load making the tension.

Thanks to your info it seems to be 1.5 kg at the level of last marker. I stand corrected.
Not that I am much of surprised,this makes the restorex results even more interesting.

It is all relative to the load as you know. I can see you have been looking for the extender studies to have a frame for your PE approach. The loads they have widely used are relatively light.

I was wrongly suggesting Restorex having higher loads, that is incorrect, as they have used minimum of 1 kg up to 1.5 kg maximum the system provides. The bend angles possible to use, bending the shaft countering the plague lesions makes it such a powerful tool.
Powerful to what then. Not saying it won´t be effective as such on healthy penis but we just don´t know for sure, as they have used it on Peyronie Disease suffering patients only. There are plenty more studies taking the same route and when used into healthy penises the test subject groups have been small.

And in the studies provided they have suggested minimum of 1kg being effective enough to make a difference.

As you know I recommend to base any PE efforts on tracking the strain. Less strain the exercise produces the more exercise duration is needed. Based on the studies available the threshold strain can be relatively small if the duration is long enough to produce the stimuli mechanosensing cells have been receiving through the ECM via mechanotransduction.

Readers should understand that if using such a low level forces on tunica albuginea we are not actually stretching the collagen fibers not alone the fibrils longer. In any case we are not breaking them at any level.
The load is transformed to a extracellular matrix stress , fibroblast cells sensing the stress and reacting with growth responses. Depending of the level of the strain produced the responses are various.
At the first hand releasing the fibril crosslinks allowing the fibers elongate, then forming new crosslinks adapting to the elongated form.
This meaning the whole ECM structure elongating as well and in relation to this, the fibroblast react by proliferation of the fibrils. If certain strain has been produced, more fibrils are expressed to adapt the structure fitting to this elongated form.

Having the strain been significant enough, profibileration of the fibroblasts themselves happening as well. More cells are produced, which everyone can understand meaning growth. We are stretching the tissue to grow longer , not actually streching it longer.
If the threshold strain have not been met all of the exercise produced elongation will be reversible.
Which means no gains.

Having met the threshold strain the larger is the portion of irreversible elongation the greater the strain have been. Only small portion of the single elongation is returned as a permanent gain. Being consistent enough the realistic cumulative effect can be maximum of 5 - 6 mm a month.

There is one study I read having only 15 participants using Andropenis. This time no PD patients. All of them meeting or feeling they met the criteria of short penis. Healthy penises so to speak, carrier aspiring it to be bigger.
They were using really small loads 600g for first month, 900g the second, up to 1200g from 5 to six months. They were advised to use the device 6 hours a day, minimum of 4 hours.

Like the data collected here recently and the data from restorex studies confirming further the gains lack at 3 to 6 months. Six months to a year it seems to be almost useless to even try.
The study attached so you can look into it yourself. I plotted a graph just to look and with a load that low the countering adaptation to the stimulus is significant at three months point.

The loads in every extender study available are that low they are just about able to knock on the heel portion of the stress strain curve of the penis. Given enough time the toe region has been passed and the region of tissue drastically stiffening starts.
Seems that the strains needed for mechanotransduction induced elongation can be produced with loads between 1kg to 2.5-3 kg.

With 1kg we need several hours to reach the strain and stimuli enough. With 2.5kg and utilizing stress relaxation the best we can, 30 to 40 minutes is enough to produce similar strain. Continuing to full hour that would be it.
For an example I can guarantee myself to have 2.2% strain in 40 minutes with loads 2 to 2.5 kg. After that no additional time or any more load does not yield a fraction more.
Similar was the case with Alex2.0 when I consulted him to test the loading in intervals.

Now seeing the Restorex regimen I went to replicate it with extender having the load cell on it.
Having precise 1.5kg load with a stress relaxation setup I wore the extender for one hour. Then taking a 10 minutes break to refresh the penis a bit to be continued another hour.
I took measurement between, but it looked to show only minor elongation so I didn´t even calculate the strain.
After two hours with perfectly tuned setup I could yield a 2.1% strain out of it.

As a guidance, without heating methods I would not use greater than 2.5 kg loads on extender.
Even then not recommending to even touch greater loads if the heating had not been vigorous.
The loads will most certainly not give any more strain if not used for multiple hours which is impossible to bear in any case.

If the community had taken the time to thought a bit more, we would have database of thousands of specimens by now. There would be no discussion left about the loads and timings. Nothing but long penises.

Strain and strain rate is all they discuss on medical studies about the tissue elongation.
All traces lead to measurable strain.

Now, a call out for everyone in polite and constructive mode.
We can´t go on anymore guessing the loads and timings. There is not much to do to help, if not getting real data.
It is relatively easy to find out if your exercise produces a strain. If not, your exercise is totally useless if you ask me.
I find it pretty frustrating to discuss these matters further with anyone, without them bringing the data back. Small back payment benefiting all of us.
There is a little homework for all to do if needing any advice. The actual loads for given time, the strain the exercise produces. If using heat, then the parameters or temperatures as a priority.
I would love to help bringing this scene further, but it is not possible without more PEers providing the data as well.

Here we go

“With 1kg we need several hours to reach the strain and stimuli enough. With 2.5kg and utilizing stress relaxation the best we can, 30 to 40 minutes is enough to produce similar strain. Continuing to full hour that would be it.
For an example I can guarantee myself to have 2.2% strain in 40 minutes with loads 2 to 2.5 kg. After that no additional time or any more load does not yield a fraction more.
Similar was the case with Alex2.0 when I consulted him to test the loading in intervals.

Now seeing the Restorex regimen I went to replicate it with extender having the load cell on it.
Having precise 1.5kg load with a stress relaxation setup I wore the extender for one hour. Then taking a 10 minutes break to refresh the penis a bit to be continued another hour.
I took measurement between, but it looked to show only minor elongation so I didn´t even calculate the strain.
After two hours with perfectly tuned setup I could yield a 2.1% strain out of it.”

I don’t know but this seems like pretty amazing guidance to me. This should be a sticky!

For what it’s worth, I’ve had a Restorex for a year and a half. I followed the directions precisely for 2 months, with what I feel are no true gains. When I was doing my initial measurements for the rod setup, the benchmark is 6.75” BP stretched length. As this was early on in my efforts, I felt that I barely reached that, so that’s how I set up the device. After 2-3 months’ use, along with pumping and stretching, I could squeeze out 7.25”. However, I take that measurement with a grain of salt, because I believe I was pushing much harder with a ruler and really trying to stretch out every mm I could. Since that time, I have had zero increase in my stretched length. I’ve pumped more with heat, started using restorex again (I took a 2 month hiatus from it), and started using it 3 times a day for 45 minutes. I now sort of alternate with pumping and restored on a daily basis and have not budged from 7.25” stretched, with BPEL of 6.25” (which isn’t much increase from my initial measurements, and most likely initial measurement error). I’ve been trying to incorporate hanging, but can only do that once or twice a week due to family being around the house. The only gains I’ve really noticed are pseudo gains from over pumping, that only last a couple of hours if I keep a cock ring on. I’m to the point where I think US is my last thing to try. I’ve even had 4 p-shots and actually own a gainswave machine.

There is very little information from treatments on human subjects. But yes they show similar effect with intensity level smaller than US PRO.

Plausible.I would not be waiting any miracles though. It will take a lot of sessions for relatively small treatment area at a time to make it work. Lots of hours and great tolerance for discomfort using the US effectively on your fat. I do suspect the results correlate with the dose strongly with this application.

I tried similar technique when I started but failed. SInce then I have always sat relaxed on the edge of the same seat using the ruler with pointer on it. Pushing the ruler against the pubic bone at the nine or ten o’clock position with a force enough to cause little pain.
This position I have found a clear area ruler sitting firmly against the bone not slipping or crushing any veins etc