Gaining volume with Kyrpa

””“”For what it’s worth, I’ve had a Restorex for a year and a half. I followed the directions precisely for 2 months, with what I feel are no true gains. When I was doing my initial measurements for the rod setup, the benchmark is 6.75” BP stretched length. As this was early on in my efforts, I felt that I barely reached that, so that’s how I set up the device. After 2-3 months’ use, along with pumping and stretching, I could squeeze out 7.25”. However, I take that measurement with a grain of salt, because I believe I was pushing much harder with a ruler and really trying to stretch out every mm I could. Since that time, I have had zero increase in my stretched length. I’ve pumped more with heat, started using restorex again (I took a 2 month hiatus from it), and started using it 3 times a day for 45 minutes. I now sort of alternate with pumping and restored on a daily basis and have not budged from 7.25” stretched, with BPEL of 6.25” (which isn’t much increase from my initial measurements, and most likely initial measurement error)”“”“

The reason for no MFSL gains and of cource no BPEL is because RestroreX pulling the dick with 1,5kgs which for some “less is more” guys is WAY TO MUCH to make gains.
Pull your dick with a force of 0,5kgs and you will see the gains coming like hell.

I am one of these cases.
Pulling with 300-500 grams is giving me gains super fast and anything more than this intensity is making my dick comming into a halt.

The other thing I d like to add is that RestoreX is pulling the dick only in one directions(SO).

I have found out that stretching in ALL DIRECTIONS is the thing that gives the best gains.

No wonder anymore why the manual stretching programs are based on all directions.

Use all directions

SO/SD/DL/DR/L/R/UP/UPL/UPR

Kyrpa, one question. Maybe I missed it.

In the original plan, you use cyclic stretches as the last step of your stretching routine.

Lately it seems like you suggested or might have moved to simple HOLDING the extended stretch after ultrasound heated stretch.

Which do you prefer if you wouldn’t mind clarifying that for me.

Firtst of all this is an on-going log with documentation of the latest choices with the protocol.
Not to be taken as a latest recommendations of any kind.
The final word can be written when I close the operation down somewhere in the future.

The preference is to keep the tissue under tension during the cooldown.

I have mentioned couple of times that I had issues with the slippage , blistering and discomfort with the vacuum at cooldown stage.
So I needed to find an alternative. Didn´t have working noose setup at that stage so I went with manual.

As you can understand it is not possible to keep the manual stretch lasting 10 minutes with the tension needed at that point.
Cyclical stretching being superior anyways, so I went with it and the results were similar or better to keeping it at static stretch with any equipment.
Longerstretch tried both as well, I believe documented something about it on his log too.

The latest set up was with noose style attachment which allows me to keep the static stretch without the problems manifested with the vacuum.

You need to understand that the true comparison to the previous style comes within the next period.
The latest run was easy recovery of the losses had during the decon.

During February to April I have intentions to run full attack mode for reaching new length.

Understood regarding the ongoing status of the log. I am starting my first full period coming up in a week or two, now with the correct transducer and the right understanding, and will do the cycles to see how they go. In the next period I may do static stretch instead of cyclical pending your ongoing updates to see if I see a significant difference in strain. I’m inclined to think cyclical would be superior just because of my experience in cyclic/dynamic stretches in my past combat sports experience but that’s just anecdotal.

Correct me if I’ve misread your posts, but after plateauing within a period, it’s acceptable to work on girth for 2-3 weeks as long as you restrict longitudinal elongation correct? My plan was to do length restricted pumping, manual clamping/expansion, and so on, but to preface it with very lightly extended bundled stretching (<BPEL) and ultrasound heating. The thing that confuses me is that I was under the impression you needed complete rest from US for the break so the ECM can reset and stress can diminish. Wouldn’t any ultrasound heat, even if sub-BPEL elongation, affect the ECM in a manner counter active to decreasing the tissue stress?

I am no scientist but will be tracking everything I do as you have and will be providing the data on a period by period basis to aid in the discussion. Hoping to better understand this.

For clarification - I understand following the 2-3 weeks of length restricted girth work you must take complete rest.

Yes. That sounds good to me. Repeating the newly produced length for several rounds in conjunction with the girth protocol have worked for me. Not pushing for more length in any case.

Great thinking. Actually, being more hypothetical than proved science, I have had in my mind to try at some point to use US with extender as you described, at below the maximal length for few weeks during the the plateau of the post exercise BPFSL.

BUT, not with heat producing intensity. Using LIPUS, 20% duty cycle utilizing the benefits of the low intensity pulsed ultrasound.
That might do the trick, and couple of other tricks a side. It has lots of benefits for keeping the growth environment at high level with expression of various cytokines and growth factors.
And more interestingly, using ultrasound at the stage tissue being at proliferation phase, the tissue could be kept in a lower internal stress level altering the decorin / biglycan interactions,
among other effects on proteglycan adhesions.

In short the ECM bonding and collagen crosslinking kept low during the extending session, allowing to extend the tissue with ease to the new length recently produced.

But for the actual timing of this exercise we may be already late at the point the post exercise BPFSL development stalls.
I would start it in advance, maybe at the in 20- 30 days or so already, as for me the plateau comes latest at 45 days.

Overall, I think you are on the good tracks and if deciding to take a chance on adding something similar, let us know. I am looking into it with great interests.

Not me either. If this was a science, we would have histological examinations taken out of the tissue every now and then.
In addition, we would be monitoring a plethora of biological markers etc.

More likely this is phenomenal modelling, we know some things, and we hypothesize some based on the known science, and try to model it in practice.
Though not able to prove anything and very poorly even showcasing any mathematical models either, we at least are putting up a very interesting applied science operation.

I would keep the combined length / girth orientated period duration not far from two, three months at the most.

What do you mean by days? On days (15 cycles with 3 days on and 2 off ) or 45 calendar days which is more or less one and a half month?

By calendar at the latest. Actually the diminishing returns start to show after 30 days at most of the periods I have run.
During my first campaign I could keep it going bit further, to 45 days.

Latter periods the plateau has come earlier, with lesser sessions as well.

Approximately within 20 actual workouts the plateau is already recognizable each time.

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Very interesting to see the graphs of the plateaus and timelines. Will be tracking this as well. Thanks for your thoughts Kyrpa

Hey Kyrpa and the others!
Today, I took another test run of figuring out my personal load strain curve. I did this because you mentioned several times how important this is and even asked me privately, and I want to do my best to contribute sth, even if it is a very small part.
I start with 0.5kg to normalize the strain and put this number as BPFSL 0. From that, I taper up to 4kg in 0.5kg steps. Interestingly, the results are very similar to my last test run. This strengthens the point that maybe there could be some value in them. The strain % seem to behave normally up to 2kg (in line with your strain curve). But then, I keep gaining stretch unlike you and Alex2.0 .
Because of this, I still have a feeling that they are total garbage:
1) my strain increases up to 3.5-4kg. This shouldn’t happen theoretically. My suggested sweet spot should be between 3.5kg and 4kg which is too high from what I have read. Would it make any sense to go up to 6kg and find where even this elongation stops? As said before, it looks to stop at 3.5kg to 4kg, but I didn’t go higher, so cannot say for sure.
2) the maximum strain number is >4% cold. This is something I also hardly can believe. I have more reasons to believe I’m a hard gainer.
If you want the numbers, I can happily send you a dm if you find them useful at all :-) .

Maybe you also say my method is clearly flawed; then I have to look for errors in my testing methodology.
On the bright side, I can say relatively confidently that I gained 3mm pre BPFSL in 14 days. I seem to make continuous progress there and it is hard to believe this is a measuring error. So hopefully my log can be useful for other guys who want to gain using your method (at least mostly, I know I didn’t implement stress relaxation e.g.).
Apart from that, would it be possible for you to shed some light on the questions I had regarding girth workout?
If I understand you correctly, I should do 2-3 weeks of length-restricted pumping to transform BPFSL to BPEL. I though about short sets to avoid discoloration
like Patrik said, max 10 mins and 3 times a day. Would this be sufficient?
My other question was how much worse the transition from BPFSL to BPEL is if I forego the girth workout and only do length workouts and breaks. Granted,
I am willing to do the pumping, but it would interest me. So far, it seems to work and when I have gained my first 1cm of BPEL it will be an extremely bright day, guys :-)

Did you use the same amount force to pull every BPFSL measurement, or is the strain % for the given exercise load stage? If the answer is latter the percentages make sense as the 0.5 kg, is not enough to show the absolute length at that stage of BPFSL 0.

Actually, the way you may have done it is the way to be more scientific ,but, is presenting incremental elongation difference of the penis, relative to pre-determinated BPFSL 0 load level measurement.

If measuring the BPFSL with standardized , let´s say 4kg load after each and every load step elongation, we would be dealing with absolute measurements each step. That is the way we have produced the 2.2 % cold, more than that heated.

Short sets as you described sounds good. Keeping the vacuum also in control.

The length protocol you are using seems to produce BPEL gains for some easier that to others.
Used alone it may not give the growth response enough to cavernous tissues crucial for BPEL development.

I see the girthwork as a essential part of the concept. The BPEL development needs the threshold stimuli.

Minimum of the 2-3 weeks for having the impact. Up to three months of the total duration of the whole period before extended break.

If you are not into pumping , don´t do it . Manual clamping, squeezes and expansion exercise work very well.

Looking at my notes I have made a best BPEL results during the P1,P2 while I was still having couple of jelqing / manual expansion sessions per week in conjunction with length protocol.
And making girth gains at same time. The price was very poor EQ during the cycle. I struggled to fully recover in two days of rest.

P3 I ditched the jelqing and the EQ issues subsided almost completely. The two days rest worked fine and in overall the BPEL kept coming at decent rate and the girth gains stalled.
Not to look much in the girth gains , they stalled anyways at some point. If I want some, I have to take it as a priority.

If possible, 1cm would be great length gain with any protocol.

Thanks once again for your very comprehensive and kind answer, Kyrpa!
“Did you use the same amount force to pull every BPFSL measurement, or is the strain % for the given exercise load stage?”
This is a big problem in terms of accuracy. I already ordered the American weight scale recommended by Tutt, which you also seem to have, and will create equal manual pulling force for
every BPFSL measurement when it arrives. So this may be a big part of the current problem. Currently, I just pull very slowly and time how long the pull takes approximately. I use a
combination of a slow pull and let the penis relax for a few seconds at the length and then further elongate him. My idea was to reach the maximum length in each case where I hit the
“cord” for lack of better terms. But I don’t track the pulling force which is a big issue.
So I did the first thing and not the second you referred to.
“If measuring the BPFSL with standardized , let´s say 4kg load after each and every load step elongation, we would be dealing with absolute measurements each step. That is the way
we have produced the 2.2 % cold, more than that heated.” This is what I want to do with the fish scale. Again, it could be my measurement it rubbish because of the lack of standardization
with the pulling force. However, if you look at my BPFSL measurements, they make sense up to the 2.5kg:

0.5kg 18.5cm
1kg 18.7cm
1.5kg 18,7-18,8 cm
2kg 18,8cm 1,6 % strain
2.5 18,8-18.9cm 2,12% strain
3kg 19,1cm
3.5kg 19.6cm
4kg 19.6-19.7cm

Where I wasn’t sure of my measurement, I measured multiple times and created a range. E.g. “18.7-18.8cm”.
If I look at it systematically, even though I often said my measurements might be garbage, it isn’t totally illogical. Quite the opposite, I see some tendencies which appear reasonable.
Your explanations about the importance of girth workout to unlock the BPEL gains is fascinating and makes sense. I actually like pumping or rather the thought of doing it (Haven’t done it so far).
I am sure I will enjoy it more than manuals and clamping is something I would avoid if I ever could. So pumping it is and I’m completely fine with that :-) .
In short, when the fish scale arrives, I will do another test of the load strain curve and besides, I will monitor my pre BPFSL gains. On balance, I’m quite happy with the current
direction and that is only possible because of all the smart guys who laid the groundwork here!