Originally Posted by Rocco25
Thanks for the description of how to determine the load-strain curve. Now the picture is much clearer. As you can see, I understand quickly, you just have to explain long enough :D
I’m having a bit of a struggle with determining the load-strain-curve, because I have a problem measuring BPFSL with my setup. Taking the device off takes time and I’m not sure if I can leave the wrap with the therapeutic band on. I may have to take Azazello’s tip to heart at least for this trial and do the test with the vac hanger. I have my thoughts on this..What do you think is the highest acceptable time between unloading and measuring BPFSL?
This image in particular stuck with me: Stretch.PNG
Do I understand correctly that in this example the sweet spot is 2.5 .. 3 kg?
So in period 3 you were still working with STRESS when you initiated the 1st phase with 2 kg, right?
I always wondered with your latest setup how you were going to keep the strength constant, but now it has become clear to me. The force can decrease as long as the stretch remains constant.
Can´t say for sure the time between releasing and measuring. If it is constant for all the measurents that will standardize it some degree. If you apply 15sec measurement pull x min after the relase for example. You figure it out yourself.
Enough repetions for the procedure will narrow the margin of error. Patience.
Now you should understand that when seeking the optimal load you don´t need to know the absolute BPFSL at the time.
Incremental dimension suits just fine, where ever you can take this dimension on your setup.
You are looking for relative change in length so don´t bother with the absolute dimension.
For me it was easy with PMP vac, just lowering the vacuum inside the cup the coronal ridge, retroglandular sulcus pops into the scene from where I can take the most precise measurement actually available.
If you can do something similar you don´t need to build down the setup assembly.
About the graph. Yes the sweetspot lies between 2-2.5 kg for me for the phase 1.
Increasing load while cold will cause the tissue stiffen by its nature. All connective soft tissues behave like this although the placement of the knee point varies between the particular tissues.
But what I have seen there is not much variations between penises. Just wish hundred, or at least 25 of you guys taking this seriously and documenting the load strain curve. It would make this science.
At the moment I have just few of you bringing the data and there for there can´t be any universal load to give at this moment.
But what I dare to say that the extenders working at 1-4 kg are all there need to be load wise.
About the Period 3 loading.
I am sure that I had the stress relaxation sorted out already at that point. Although the setup has been evolving all along the basic principles has remind the same besides the setup used. The core is that this concept is not about the equipment at all, it is about the implementation of the principles.
It is about the non-stop study of finding the ways to implement the concept independently of the equipment used. That of course excluding the deep heat application which I am sure is only possible with ultrasound of other radiation forms such as different diathermy or RF-technology applications. Some lucky enough individuals can cope with conventional heating and IR, as they are not severely restricted because of really stiff dorsal thickening or septum.
Now when I suggested you to lock the wire just like Zaphoid does, I did something very similar.
I have mentioned few times already the use of the cushion locking the vacuum cup after the
So I have used the elastic band with the hanging scale. Sitting relaxed on the sofa the band pulling downward in angle, having no trouble to stand perfectly still 5 minutes at time what it takes to stress relaxation occur.
Once I have loaded the setup with desired load I simply lock the vac cup on rubbery cushion pad with a slot on it.
After every few minutes the reload with the same load. Making a simple stress relaxation setup out of this.
Tutt has made a extender where he can control the strain applying the length of the extender precisely allowing pure strain rate driven stretch on the penis. That should be the optimal way as the stiffening of the viscoelastic tissue is the more significant the faster the strain has been applied or the larger is the increase at once. His approach is the best in the sense of there is a optimal strain rate , the pace the strain is achieved , which yields the best elongation available.
Not having the equipment and anyways embracing the idea of the equipment independent PE efficiency, the second best is to make it happen like I have done. Although it can be optimized further by using incremental loading starting below and in slower fashion reaching the sweetspot. That would be the step for me to take when the established protocol does not give the desired strain.
I have attached the pics illustrating the hanger setup allowing stress-relaxation. I think now it should be eventually put in understandable form.
Don´t ask me where to find the cushion. Maybe it is wash mop wall mount, I really don´t know. You get what you can.