Gaining volume with Kyrpa

This is brilliant, I think I might give this a go.

Something I found to work better than a noose or the big Vac domes is the ads cap that monkey bar sells but without the soft sleeves, instead I used a hard sleeve. It’s small and it doesn’t create a hard vacuum just a little, hard to explain but it’s like a combination of vac and grip. Its still very capable of holding at a higher force. I could post pics if you interested?

Please do. I am in the continuous do it differently mode all the way.

Your concept is great. My set up needs a lot more work, but I have a noose style extender but with threaded rods for stress/relaxation type extending. I will definitely update you with anything I come up with. Thank you for your posts and contributions so we all can learn.

Hi Kyrpa,

First off, I’ve been slowly reading through your log, taking notes, and reading most sources/citations mentioned, plus reading on the side to help understand the physiological mechanisms that you’re discussing. Thank you for your detailed log and for sharing your experiments and their results with us. I’m only 50 pages in but I read more every day. I’m not so far off from my length goal, and with 1 mm per 5 day cycle, I hope I’ll soon be turning my focus to girth.

Today I started implementing your strategies using a SO conditional stretch w/ 5 lbs where after the first 20-30 minutes and I feel that fatigue, for the next 15-25 minutes I let the weight rest on the floor (I have a pulley) just barely enough to take some weight off but it maintains the full stretch. Am I doing that right? Just to be clear, I am also following the conditioning stretch with 10-12 minutes per side side stretches with a heating pad between my thigh and my unit, and then cyclical manual stretches (straight out and sometimes fulcrum) ramp up 15s, hold 30s, relax 15s.

Another question, is it alright, beneficial, or harmful to use a heating pad during the conditioning stretch?

Lastly, I’ve noticed that when I test length, it initially feels very stiff and inelastic, but if I continue to hold the stretch for 5-10 seconds, it steadily relaxes more and more. When I measure pre and post BPFSL, is it correct or advisable to hold the stretch for upwards of 10-15 seconds to allow it time to relax into the maximum length? After my session today, I actually felt a bit more stiff than before, but with a bit of a wait, I measured 2.62% strain which seems par for the course.

Cheers TimeIt,

I think you are doing great with the workout protocol.
I am curious to know if you have ever measured how the initial SO stretch (20-30min) compares to the following stress-relaxation result you are having keeping the weight on the ground. You are making the normal hanger setup work as a stress-relaxation with the method of balancing on the verge of weight still staying on the ground. It demands some skills to maintain the stability. Placing the weight on the digital scale instead of the floor you could see the actual load on it as well.

About the measurement stretch. It is completely normal that keeping the stretch the result varies how long you pull. It is a nature of viscoelastic tissue, the tissue stiffens when the strong pull needed to measure BPFSL is applied. It is time dependent phenomena as the stiffness steps aside. Or a product of repetitively performed slow pulls .

As long as you make the measuring similar each time you are eliminating some of the variance. Or taking three measurements and use the mean value.

The fact that there is extra length available keeping the stretch longer doing the post exercise measurement tells that you have not exploited the full potential during the workout. I am not sure is it even possible with the tools in your disposal but you may figure it out.

You will most definitely benefit of applying the the heatpad sooner , maybe at the stress relaxation stage the weight laying on the floor.
It will amplify the stress relaxation and the tissue is better heated coming to the manual stretching phase.

Have you found something so far we would like to know?

Reconstructing decon induced size loss in 60 days period

BPFSL 23 > 23.8 +0.8 cm
BPEL 21.6 > 22.2 +0.6 cm
MSEG* 14.73 > 15.03 +0.3 cm

Decon for 5 +1 months after the one and a half years run made me lose 0.9 cm on BPFSL, similarly on BPEL and almost 0.5 cm in mseg*.
I have described earlier the effect of EWST made me lose some more on BPFSL immediately after applying it in the middle of the decon, even the size had been stabilized on steady level prior the treatment. For me it was the sign of application working as it should, it is a powerful way to disrupt the homeostasis on collagenous tissue extracellular matrix.

I did some workout cycles after 5 months break but went back to sleepy mode for another month because other health concerning issues than PE.
Before I started this period I quickly realized that as this being a rescue operation of lost gains , there is no need for taking it as seriously as former periods.
I was convinced that lesser efforts should bring the size back not putting the tissues under such a stress level which would jeopardize coming campaigns to bring the penis size beyond former peak.
It turned out to be just like that, relying on tissue memory similar to seen in bodybuilding, athletes recovering the lost size during breaks ridiculously easily when coming back in form.

The protocol at the start was the established 30 minutes SO conditioning stretch with elastic band and digital scale as a phase 1.
Stress Relaxation was utilized locking the vacuum cup laying on the rubbery cushion after the load had been introduced. Every few minutes then reloaded.

Phase 2 was similarly familiar from earlier campaigns.
20 minutes ultrasound heated OTL stretching penis laying on the top of the quad slotted pretty much on the natural groove the towards the hip. Changing direction only during workout days not inside the exercise time.
Using two ultrasound transducers simultaneously the heat was up rather quickly giving uniform heat all along the shaft.
First I ran in trouble losing the second US PRO as it hit the floor one time too much. So after 20 days or so I was operating with one transducer only.
Another setback was the vacuum cup slippage issues due the on going pressure loss problems. I got frustrated on it and continued with the clamp type noose seen in the pictures of the extender modification.

Last part of the period I was using the extender setup in particular fashion.
For the conditioning phase the load was set ~ 1.2-1.5 kg extender pointing upwards. Then lowering it slowly to horizontal level the load increasing as a result of this to 2.3-2.5 kg. Then leaving it there letting the tissue relax, extender laying resting on the chair opposite the user.
Every time the load had reduced to 2 kg level as a result of stress relaxation the extender was turned vertical, reloaded and replicated the procedure. At 30 minutes point no more relaxation was seen at once.

Then for the Phase 2 ,setting the load slowly tightening at horizontal rest position until 3.3-3.5kg was reached. Heating below the shaft using a ultrasound gel pad at the top of the shaft mimicking soft tissue allowing the sound wavefront travel through the shaft without significant attenuation.
Feeling great level of heating with only one transducer in use. No temperature control other than the felt observations.
The stress relaxation was seen in the heated phase as well. During the 20 minutes heated stretch the load dropped to 3 kg 2-3 times and needed the reloading.

As a phase 3 , the extender was slowly let drop hanging downwards towards the floor for the cooldown stretch at fixed length. The initial load was limited to ~4.5 kg, peak load of 5.6kg reached somewhere during the exercises.
During the 10 minutes the load was climbing like in sinus waves up before dropping below the initial set load. Confirming what Tutt formerly detected in similar setup.
At ten minutes point it was already settled below 3.8 kg and the tissue had cooled down.

Last 10 days or so I had two working transducers and the synthetic medical grade gelatin made pad as ultrasound phantom medium instead of the disposal ultrasound pads.
This was a great discovery. I may need to run yet another heating experiment with the lab set up of thermocouple wires all over the dick to confirm the heating efficiency felt initially.

I am happy with the results as they came really easy way.
Taking in count there was no actual consistency, having two week-long breaks and one five days break during added with couple of failures with the set up and tools,
and more importantly I wasn´t even measuring or monitoring the temperatures, it was a success.

I have in mind to run some girth experiments before the Christmas before going for two months decon.

Sorry completely forgot about this, will get this done tonight.

Kyrpa regarding using bands, how do you use bands when you hang for otl? I have tried in the past but think I’m missing something, what do you attach the other end of the band too to get into the otl position?

The elastic band is tensioned horizontally, attached from the penis side with a metal wire bended hook to the hanger and from the other end to furniture where ever possible. SItting on the sofa a strap attached to the sofa leg coming over the handrest. Elastic band tied into this strap.

Where did you find this synthetic medical grade gelatin? Did you have it manufactured or adapted? I found it similar to ballistic gel. I thought about using some material to cover the base of the penis as a soft tissue simulator, I wanted to use a swimming cap on a fixed base. But, I believe that the silicone gel would simulate better.

Thank you. I’m trying to adapt the core strategies you’ve shown to work into something that seems to work for me as well. In the recent past I’ve done best with lower intensity, higher hanging volume routines while cycling heat off and on through the sets, finishing with cooling off period in stretch for 20-30 minutes. My biggest concern right now is that I’m over doing the manual stretching intensity as I tend to do. Throughout the day after manual routine such as this, I feel stiffer and tighter than ever, and also am smaller flaccid and just overall experience slightly negative PI’s. I’m not sure how I sure progress, perhaps by using figuring out a way to do less manuals and more hanging as that seems to leave me plumper and hanging longer. Agh!

Do you mean measure BPFSL before and directly after the SO stretch? I’ll try that tomorrow.

I don’t have a digital scale but I’ll probably get one. I don’t really understand the concept of the weight changing while in the conditioning stretch to be honest with you, it’s something I’m still getting my head around.

I stretch so intensely, it’s hard to imagine this being true! But it does stand to reasoning.

Thank you, I will begin incorporating it from the beginning.

DIY ULTRASOUND PHANTOM GEL – Humimic Medical

There are few compounds available. But DIY and the compounds 0 and 1 may be the most suitable.

The closest the acoustic impedance of the compound is to penis the better it is. Bigger the difference on impedance between the materials the greater the reflection at the boundary of the phantom and the penis. I have made few examples of the reflection adverse effects in my ultrasound thread.

Ballistic gels should work as well if the acoustic impedance is suitable, and I think they are quite close.
But it need to be synthetic, organic products are not long lived rotting, detoriating and going bad several ways.

The formula for acoustic impedance is Z = pV . p , density, V , velocity of sound in the material .
The closer the Z is to the natural penis tissue the better for avoiding reflection which attenuates the intensity.
You can find the formulation if you look into ultrasound thread..
The lower the Z then easier the sound wave travels through if you intend to apply ultrasound through it. . We don´t know the actual Z of the penis but the average is about 1.6 kgm-2s-1x10^6 for soft tissues.

The Z for the DIY is then 1.29 kgm-2s-1x10^2 and for compound #1 , 1.37 kgm-2s-1x10^6. There is no big difference so I would choose some of the the soft one easy to mold . I have the DIY package which came as a roughly molded block having air bubbles inside . Nevertheless it works still just fine as I cut a piece of the block and use is as it is. Anyways I intend mold something special of it later. I don´t know but I suspect the specific compound blocks should come in more finesse form of molding . smoother and with out air bubbles.

Here is some additional info on silicone and some rubber based compunds used as a ultrasound phantom.
Speed of sound in rubber-based materials for ultrasonic phantoms

If you are looking the product you are molding to be robust the it is some form of silicone rubbers. Acoustic attenuation in a form of reflection will be greater than with the synthetic gelatin though.

That could change if you have the heat pad sooner on AND you may actually get even better results stretching manually with a lower force combined with the hotter shaft. It sounds like the whole process is very exhausting to your penis , you may need to tune it down or / and take more off days

yes

I keep talking about stress relaxation. It has descriptions easily found ail over the net as well. Basically the phenomena means that you stretch the penis with certain load to given strain and leave it there on this fixed length, then after few minutes the applied stress relaxes and is seen as a decreased load on the scale which I have in my extender for example. More officially it is said like this: Stress relaxation is a decrease in stress under constant strain

Yeah. Soft tissues are far from simply elastic materials. Organ made of layers of different characteristic soft tissues is even further.
If it were simply elastic material it would be easy to stretch longer. It would need just either more load or time to reach beyond former length.

Yes, I believe you’re right that I’m overdoing it. That’s why I always disliked manual stretches — so difficult to gauge intensity! I will decrease intensity dramatically and see what happens.

Thank you, it just clicked.

Source for breakaway coaster clamp?

Could you elaborate on the reasoning for the proposed periodization/longer break timelines?