Gaining volume with Kyrpa

As a scientific oriented person and Engineer, I love this thread. While I have kinda been keeping up, I need to go back and read this thread and the various ultrasound threads from the beginning so I can understand and appreciate the thought process abs developments along the way. This is something I will do but when working 60-70 hour weeks, juggling kids and PE sessions, there isn’t too much time left to read everything.

What would be very helpful are some instructional videos explaining the theories and science and then demonstrating the actual techniques and protocol.

This could be done on a dildo as opposed to a person, however, I am very much a visual learner. There are things I have read on several different threads, on various aspects of PE, which I though I was emulating properly. However, I would then see a video and it instantly made a tremendous amount of sense to me. There were also some very confusing threads about how to tape your glans to prevent blisters. I was so confused until I saw a couple of videos.

I know others have suggested a new thread which has the meat and potatoes of the protocol and process so it can be emulated more accurately. It would be more of a baseline guide of this is what you have to do, here are some videos, here are the excel sheets, this is the process to share data, etc. More of a cut to the point thread.

I think someone suggested labeling the protocols as they can change overtime.
Maybe a new link like this would be called Ultrasound Protocol 2.0.

Maybe the actual discussions and comments about discussing the protocols can still take place on the existing threads as these existing threads help keep track of the development of the protocols, and understanding of the science, throughout the years. It is important to learn about the past to understand the now and have a basis to look forward to the future. I love the advanced search function of our forum. It is amazing and I have learned so much from it.
However, there are times when I get lost and am reading the history of pumping/hanging or clamping as opposed to the best practice(s) guide. Don’t get me wrong, I have and am learning a lot from the experiences of others along the journey. I have many of the same questions as others and they are already answered without me having to ask. There are so many interested ideas and information I have stumbled across by searching, sifting and reading. The experimentation of others has helped save me from making some of the same mistakes they have and have shown me better ways to progress in PE. However, reading through many threads, I get a bit confused as what is the current best practice and start thinking I should try some of the older methods.

As much as each of our Dicks respond differently to PE, we each learn by different modalities. So I am respectfully raising my hand and asking for help. Can a simplified ultrasound protocol 2.0 thread be created which only contains the information and videos on how to execute the protocol and leave all the discussion on the existing threads? Basically an “Idiot’s Guide to the application of ultrasound therapy for PE.” I also think this would be a further step in standardizing the practice and allowing for greater consistency of technique to help keep the data more accurate. For example, I read threads explaining how to move the transducers, in which patterns, directions, durations. I am still a bit confused. A minute long video would clear it up for certain. A few more minuets of the full protocol abs how to measure and record data would be tremendous. If a picture is equivalent to 1,000 words, then a video is 1,000 words times 30 frames per second (depending on which video standard is being used, 😜).

If the protocol evolves in a minor way, tracking it as protocol 2.1 would be very helpful and easier for everyone to follow along and be aware of the changes. A major protocol revision would jump to version 3.0 as an example.

I think this approach would get more people involved on top of the consistency. I also think the 2.0 thread should contain a warning video and suggestions on when to add ultrasound to one’s routine. To me, it seems like a black belt technique abs there are other skills to learn and master first. There are other ways to gain from PE first and it seems wise to save ultrasound for the time one truly stalls out on gains after working the plethora of other PE exercises and devices. However, there will be people who are new to PE and just want to jump in to ultrasound. I suppose this is ok but it would also be good to notes this on the data. A Newbie to ultrasound may still have Newbie gains which in part, may not be directly correlated to the ultrasound protocol.

My apologies if any of this comes off the wrong way. My intentions are respectful and I believe in PE and I really believe in ultrasound and thank those who have researched and developed the protocols and have put it to the test and who are sharing this with Our Community. You are the Pioneers who have, and continue to pave the path for the rest of us.

For now, I am getting back to hanging after my mini decon and am working my way up to earning my PE Black Belt so that I feel ready that I have earned the right to delve into Ultrasound therapy.

My firm opinion is that “newbie gains” have little to do with the penis organ, but instead are fully determined by the collagen orientation and stiffness of the supporting ligaments and musculature. IOW, they can’t really be called “gains”. One hasn’t gained anything per se, but instead something more akin to increased range of motion achieved by loosening the suspensory ligaments and pelvic floor.

In certain cases, particularly those of very infrequent and/or low EQ erections, general stretching exercises might result in a loosening/lengthening of the TA as well, but that would be the exception rather than the rule. Most men will naturally experience sufficient longitudinal tension on the TA to ensure that it doesn’t contract over time. Unfortunately, most also will masterbate frequently enough while strongly contracting the pelvic floor, that it is highly likely the structure is tight and constricted. Involuntary contraction of the pelvic floor must be consciously trained out of most men. And there isn’t inherently very much stress on the suspensory ligaments via natural erection. In fact, evolutionarily the ligs are meant to favor a constricted state. All that to suggest that newbie gains are just a loosening up of what is already there, which is why most realize it and occasionally some don’t, based on the pre-existing tissue state and environmental stressors.

But getting back on topic… I personally do not advise a newbie to go through a manual newbie protocol and exhaust newbie gains first. IMO, that is highly counterproductive. While it is effective at loosening the supporting structures, I think it also starts you down the path of toughening the TA and making actual gains more difficult. It is really difficult to get this community to abandon the idea that you must somehow safely injure the pens to get gains.

Personally, I think an injury-free approach is the safest and most effective starting point, which is coincidentally most congruent with Kyrpa’s approach.

Side note, my device doesn’t really stress the ligs or pelvic floor at all. The brace ring and vacuum cup setup ensures that almost all of the load is borne by the TA. Thus, any measurable gains are within the external shaft of the penis, which is most desirable. If I lube the fat pad area with coconut oil, there is enough slip through the ring that I start to feel a bit of pull on the inner penis. But if I wanted to gain in that region, I would need to brace off a different point and pull in a more upward fashion. I also see inherent problems in targeted heating of the area around the prostate, testes, etc. so I’ve avoided to this point. Both US and RF are dangerous when applied to internal organs. RF is easier to control of the two. The penetration depth of 1Mhz US is nearly uncontrollable when aimed at the inner pens. 2Mhz monopolar RF will really only penetrate up to 2cm, so can be positioned in direct contact with the inner shaft and aimed inward, in contrast with US that must somehow be transmitted from the side to avoid deep penetration into the pelvic cavity.

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Wow, solid input Tutt. This is very helpful information.

The literature is backing widely your opinion.
In various sources the TA has been described as a ligamentous continuation of the ischio cavernous muscle and the longitudinal striations of the Bulbo cavernous muscle.

Newbie gains are most certainly a result of elongated muscular striations via exercises.
This will happen way before than stretching the suspensory ligament at all.

Stretching these skeletal muscle reminiscents excessively will produce signs of EQ drop, and when stressed to a level of overuse, the musculature will contract.

One of the studies attached.

Anatomy of the Human Penis.pdf

Hey mister kyrpa, Iam on page 4 of your thread and I wanted to ask if the 3 stretching days followed by a am 2or3/restday is the best approach to see the gains manifest more fast, I feel that doing PE 6 to 7 days a weak will delay the gains to manifest and that’s why some report gains after stoping PE for 1 to 2 weeks. I started 3 months ago and got the newbie gains and did a 6 days on 1 day off approach 8 weeks on 1 off, should I do 4 to 5 weeks on , 3days on 1 off, and 1 week rest, based on your personal observations?

My EQ drops a lot.

As discussed on page 107 of this thread, I purchased and tried SmoothOn DragonSkin20. What can I say: the result is excellent. The stuff works perfectly as an US phantom and the theory is confirmed.

Attached you can see a picture of how the phantoms look like and how I built them. A sewage pipe was used as a mold. To model the back of the penis, I used another pipe. The phantom can be cut to length, it is easy to work with. When using the phantom, you should not stint on US gel, because the surface of the penis is not reproduced 1:1. The wall thickness is about 10 mm.

I measured with 4 thermocouples between dorsal side and phantom along the shaft, US applied ventrally.
The measurement in the urethra I did not dare then, this is tough stuff for tough guys. In addition, the measuring point on the dorsal side is also close to the septum. After 7-8 min I cracked the 40 °C and the temperature settled between 41 and 42 °C. The US transducer is a device similar to the one recommended here (1.6 W/cm^2, 4 cm^2, BNR 5:1, 1 MHz). The Phantom warms up evenly and, in my opinion, also serves as a heating pad over time, somewhat compensating for the thermal fluctuations.

In my eyes, this is a good alternative for all hangers/extenders, as the material is durable.

Have a nice Sunday!

What an outstanding achievement my friend!! I deeply thank you for sharing your experience and contribute to this quest. What you have discovered answers and removes many questions. This for example facilitate the possibility of applying the US while hanging straight down, or while using an extender.

So this phantom, how is different from a regular silicone gel sleeve? I am assuming is the material and ingredients on it that makes it more compatible for transducer use?

I do not know the consistency of the regular sleeves and therefore can not say anything about it.

We have discussed this topic from page 106f. I needed a phantom, but I didn’t want to have to build new ones all the time, or I wasn’t enthusiastic about gelatin. Out of necessity came the idea with the silicone. On the subject of the US phantom, I found a PhD thesis that tried to fix a similar problem, but not related to dicks. In this work, the speed of sound of various products was determined. With the density, the impedance can be determined and therefore the reflection.
You can read the whole thing here: Rocco25 - Gaining volume with Kyrpa (point C).

Based on the known data and the material properties, the DragonSkin20 seemed to be the most suitable, the reflection is mathematically far below 1%. ==> Silikonkautschuk 2020-12-16.png
It is very viscous, but it still flows a bit. The usage of a spoon or similar to move the material is recommended. See also here: Rocco25 - Gaining volume with Kyrpa

This stuff is used in the movie industry to create masks or whatever. That’s why it’s skin friendly. More info can be found on the manufacturer’s site: Dragon Skin™ Series, High Performance Silicone Rubber | Smooth-On, Inc..
It’s by far not the cheapest, but it’s the only manufacturer whose products I have this data on and are also skin friendly.

Very interesting.

So Rocco, are you using this “sleeve” instead of using US gel or is this a method of maintaining heat longer/more even?
I have missed some post so sorry if you have already covered this.

I assumed that the reason for using a sleeve was clear to everyone. Apparently, I was wrong, sorry.

In a nutshell: If you are not using US OTL, you need a “leg replacement”. This is the case with extenders or hangers, for example, and that’s what the US phantom is for. Have a look here, where the topic is explained by Krypa: Heating problems with extender users.
In the attachment of the linked post you will find the scheme in the form of a sketch.

It is not advisable to do without US gel! For an optimal coupling you always need US gel! Here I use the gel between transducer and penis and between penis and phantom (plenty of it here!).

The heating or heat-storing effect of the phantom is an additional benefit.

Thank you. This is very helpful.
Great idea to make it feasible to use US while
hanging and extending. When I first read about
US 6 months ago, I always envisioned using it with
a traction extender until I later learned the setback.
So know that there is a feasible solution for using
US with a traction extender, are there any other draw backs such as the extender rods being in the way of the transducer heads? Do the transducer heads ever need to have access to the sides of our Dick?