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For the guys using a vacuum device, how do you account for gland engorgement for post workout measurements. Would measuring right behind the glands be more appropriate for accurate measurements?


Last edited by Diy549 : 06-19-2020 at .

Originally Posted by Diy549
For the guys using a vacuum device, how do you account for gland engorgement for post workout measurements. Would measuring right behind the glands be more appropriate for accurate measurements?

It can be biased. Thats why both me and longerstretch, and few others also started to measure the development from retroglandular sulcus for more accurate measurements for the strain.

If the actual BPFSL development is concerned , doing the measurement every days at resting days you can see non-biased , more accurate trend.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
It can be biased. Thats why both me and longerstretch, and few others also started to measure the development from retroglandular sulcus for more accurate measurements for the strain.

If the actual BPFSL development is concerned , doing the measurement every days at resting days you can see non-biased , more accurate trend.

Every 5 days of course


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Kyrpa, You know how I respect you and do not want to burden you, but I definitely need to know how you do bodybuilding of the penis. Are you experiencing ischiocavernous pulling in the sides along with the compression of the Kegel, and the bulbospongial upward? Are there any specific instructions on how to carry out correctly? I read your topic and each of your posts several times, but the description of the exercises is a bit blurry as it seemed to me. Thank you in advance for your help.

Originally Posted by Diy549
For the guys using a vacuum device, how do you account for gland engorgement for post workout measurements. Would measuring right behind the glands be more appropriate for accurate measurements?

I thought about that too, as Kyrpa says it can be biased, but at the end of the day it doesnt matter. Because once you measure after 6 month 1 full inch or more over your original BPFSL 6 month earlier, you know that is not glans engorgement. My pre US therapy BPFSL was 22cm. My highest post BPFSL this week was 24cm. Almost one inch, after only 2 US cycles. That is not all glans engorgement. Maybe 0.3-0.4cm at most.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi
I thought about that too, as Kyrpa says it can be biased, but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter. Because once you measure after 6 month 1 full inch or more over your original BPFSL 6 month earlier, you know that is not glans engorgement. My pre US therapy BPFSL was 22cm. My highest post BPFSL this week was 24cm. Almost one inch, after only 2 US cycles. That is not all glans engorgement. Maybe 0.3-0.4cm at most.

That’s makes sense in regards to the long term trend, but for the day-to-day workout, wouldn’t you need a more precise way of measuring in order to calculate strain %. For example, if my pre workout BPFSL is 7” and my post workout BPFSL is 7.21”, the strain would be 3% but If I’m not considering the increase in gland length due to vacuum pressure, is it truly 3%? This might lead to one think they had a good workout when actually they did not.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
It can be biased. Thats why both me and longerstretch, and few others also started to measure the development from retroglandular sulcus for more accurate measurements for the strain.

If the actual BPFSL development is concerned , doing the measurement every days at resting days you can see non-biased , more accurate trend.

Ok, Thanks

Originally Posted by Diy549
That’s makes sense in regards to the long term trend, but for the day-to-day workout, wouldn’t you need a more precise way of measuring in order to calculate strain %. For example, if my pre workout BPFSL is 7” and my post workout BPFSL is 7.21”, the strain would be 3% but If I’m not considering the increase in gland length due to vacuum pressure, is it truly 3%? This might lead to one think they had a good workout when actually they did not.

That is true. I agree with you. As long as we use exactly the same device every day, that extra engorgement of the glans should remain the same after each therapy. We can measure actually the deviation and deduct it from the post BPFSL. Next time I will measure the length of my glans during pre BPFSL compare it to post BPFSL and subtract the difference to have a real measurement.

Good point!!


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by S.N.R
Kyrpa, You know how I respect you and do not want to burden you, but I definitely need to know how you do bodybuilding of the penis. Are you experiencing ischiocavernous pulling in the sides along with the compression of the Kegel, and the bulbospongial upward? Are there any specific instructions on how to carry out correctly? I read your topic and each of your posts several times, but the description of the exercises is a bit blurry as it seemed to me. Thank you in advance for your help.

I really don´t know how to describe any better than already did. Did you read me discussing this topic very recently also, few pages ago with watermann888.
Few responses page 58 onwards. There you can see the study involving IC muscle strength and stamina relative to ED problems.
In the study you can see in the picture that if penis stretched upwards in 30 degree angle to the upper body the IC muscles deliver the most powerful contraction when doing the kegel.
Now if you want to isolate each IC leg separately and minimize the BC contraction, then direct the pull more to your left or right.
Pointing towards your hip is a good starting point for learning to isolate each separate IC leg.
Maybe the easiest way to learn the control would be laying on your back.

Later you can try to some bends and twists to activate striations along the shaft. Once you find the right angles and bends, you can discover the muscular striation actually going quite further along the shaft.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 06-20-2020 at .

Okay, I understand, but please tell me, how do you understand the definition of sinusoids? What is it?

Originally Posted by S.N.R
Okay, I understand, but please tell me, how do you understand the definition of sinusoids? What is it?

They are the pockets inside the corpus cavernosum, filled with blood during the erection. They are collapsed by smooth-muscle contraction when flaccid and expanded during the erection by relaxed smooth-muscle.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Kyrpa I’m reading through this thread and the ultrasound thread for possibly the 10th time in 2 weeks, saving bits here and there on my spreadsheet to keep me right. At the moment I’m trying to find what works for me regarding conditioning, us heated stretch and cool down, what weight and so on before I settle into a routine.

Pretty happy with the us heated portion = vac hanging or bib hanging over a fulcrum with rice sock underneath and gel pad on top between us and shaft with gel for 20-30 mins. But will try against the leg or over the leg next.

Cool down = bib hanger over fulcrum for 20 mins.

The conditioning stretch I’m trying my stress relaxation extender and trying a band too (both with fish scales) but I was reading you wrote =
Same results are achieved with constant load as I have find out but it takes much more time.
It would take near to two hours to get the maximum elastic lenghtening aka stress relaxation. Load should be increased in increments.

How do you do this, adding small increments of weight every so many minutes until desired weight?

Originally Posted by pudd1ng
Kyrpa I’m reading through this thread and the ultrasound thread for possibly the 10th time in 2 weeks, saving bits here and there on my spreadsheet to keep me right. At the moment I’m trying to find what works for me regarding conditioning, us heated stretch and cool down, what weight and so on before I settle into a routine.

Pretty happy with the us heated portion = vac hanging or bib hanging over a fulcrum with rice sock underneath and gel pad on top between us and shaft with gel for 20-30 mins. But will try against the leg or over the leg next.

Cool down = bib hanger over fulcrum for 20 mins.

The conditioning stretch I’m trying my stress relaxation extender and trying a band too (both with fish scales) but I was reading you wrote =
Same results are achieved with constant load as I have find out but it takes much more time.
It would take near to two hours to get the maximum elastic lenghtening aka stress relaxation. Load should be increased in increments.

How do you do this, adding small increments of weight every so many minutes until desired weight?

When using the constant load , I made it with ADS , strapped around the waist or towards the knees with elastic band and the scale. Not very controlled, but increasing the weight incrementally keeping the loads at low level. Max 1,5 kg. As it was more or less uncontrolled style I kept the thing stretching long enough to ensure the result. Anywhere between 1 to 2 hour. Reloading 4 to 5 times during .

Since I found out being able to reach the maximum elongation (cold) with pure stress relaxation in just 30 minutes I have not been using constant loading.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Anybody recommend a specific site for gel pads? I was searching online and there are a few but I am not sure about quality.

What I am thinking is, since I am using the US with pernis over the leg, as mentioned before I can feel the burn in the leg surface underneath. Since I already have the notion of the direction of the waves, I was thinking that if I add a layer of gel pad on top of the shaft, then I can make the waves hit completely the Septum and almost nothing in the leg, making it more efficient.


Period 1: 06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Period 2: 05/01/2021 BPFSL: 24cm (9.44") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 07/24/2021 BPFSL: 25.4cm (10.00") BPEL: 23.5cm (9.25")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm) NBPEL

Originally Posted by igigi
Anybody recommend a specific site for gel pads? I was searching online and there are a few but I am not sure about quality.

What I am thinking is, since I am using the US with pernis over the leg, as mentioned before I can feel the burn in the leg surface underneath. Since I already have the notion of the direction of the waves, I was thinking that if I add a layer of gel pad on top of the shaft, then I can make the waves hit completely the Septum and almost nothing in the leg, making it more efficient.

Aquaflex is perfect wth acoustic performance . To use it more than once you have to be careful not to use too much compression as it starts to crumble.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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