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Originally Posted by Kyrpa
I trust you know the limitations of your physics and the operation window if it got tightly clamped.

I said it because not anyone should be doing the next thing I am about to suggest.

You have been talking about double clamping, one at the base and another behind the glans. Which is a description of the extender having cable clamp at the proximal part and the bib hanger distally.

The reasoning is simple. VT is part of the longitudinal layer of the tunica. Going back to the anatomic described in the very same study I posted there is said that longitudinal layer of the tunica is a continuation of the Ischiocavernosus muscle striations.

This meaning the proximal attachment of the longitudinal layer of the tunica is not fixed firmly in any pubic bones or ligaments at the ventral side. Instead it is attached very flexibly to´layer of skeletal muscle striations.
By clamping tightly at the base you can fix it to be stretched in isolated manner.

As a matter of fact i did put another bib at mid distance between distal bib at behind coronal ridge and base, to act as a fixed fulcrum. This felt quite intense as i mantained load pulling out while second bib pulling/fulcruming in various directions. It felt like I might break my urethra so i stopped but there was a strange feeling. I need to retry this and take some measurements to see if i get any marginal improvements on strain.

Havent been measuring very much lately other than pre and post bpfsl to see what strains i get. 2-3% with the latter being with fulcrums.

Putting a other bib at the base could fix the VT. I never thought it was flexible as it eventually attaches at the crus. But fixing it at the base like you mention could be much better. Having no play in the VT by securing it distally and proximally and then fulcruming it could be the most effective lengthening of VT.

Cant wait to try it and see that VT give out. Ive seen it give out when i can get it good with the fulcrum and the gains just happen. This is why the cord is so magical. It is the source the fountain or gains if you know how to work it.


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Originally Posted by manko007

Putting a other bib at the base could fix the VT. I never thought it was flexible as it eventually attaches at the crus. But fixing it at the base like you mention could be much better. Having no play in the VT by securing it distally and proximally and then fulcruming it could be the most effective lengthening of VT.

Actually only inner layer is covering both crus and outer layer being like described above. The ischiocaveronous muscle covering cruras continuing distally as outer tunica being firmly anchored only dorsally by ligaments .


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I read the pdf but it’s quite complex reading. Did it say how the inner and outer tunica layers are connected?


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Another raging morning boner today after yesterday using fulcrums. There could be some connection between the muscles that envelop the tunica and getting worked on during the fulcrum leading to more potency. As the article explains potent men have thicker muscles and thicker thickenings. Impotent men have less thick.

So it makes sense that fulcruming would cause some effect on potency if the muscle is being worked on by nature of resisting the fulcrums stretch. Whereas strain hanging, I don’t get this raging boner effect, that I can recall as well.


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Originally Posted by manko007
Another raging morning boner today after yesterday using fulcrums. There could be some connection between the muscles that envelop the tunica and getting worked on during the fulcrum leading to more potency. As the article explains potent men have thicker muscles and thicker thickenings. Impotent men have less thick.

So it makes sense that fulcruming would cause some effect on potency if the muscle is being worked on by nature of resisting the fulcrums stretch. Whereas strain hanging, I don’t get this raging boner effect, that I can recall as well.

Well they are saying that normal men have thicker muscle striations, but maybe the result is then thicker ventral thickening :) I have been training these muscles separately by contracting them against load and it has great effect on erections.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
I trust you know the limitations of your physics and the operation window if it got tightly clamped.

I said it because not anyone should be doing the next thing I am about to suggest.

You have been talking about double clamping, one at the base and another behind the glans. Which is a description of the extender having cable clamp at the proximal part and the bib hanger distally.

The reasoning is simple. VT is part of the longitudinal layer of the tunica. Going back to the anatomic described in the very same study I posted there is said that longitudinal layer of the tunica is a continuation of the Ischiocavernosus muscle striations.

This meaning the proximal attachment of the longitudinal layer of the tunica is not fixed firmly in any pubic bones or ligaments at the ventral side. Instead it is attached very flexibly to´layer of skeletal muscle striations.
By clamping tightly at the base you can fix it to be stretched in isolated manner.


Amazing!


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Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Well they are saying that normal men have thicker muscle striations, but maybe the result is then thicker ventral thickening :) I have been training these muscles separately by contracting them against load and it has great effect on erections.

I used to to kegeling while hanging, it seems to work ok, like taking vitamin pills, you know its good for you but you can’t really see a clear evidence, in my experience at least. It could be considered an isolation exercise for very specific part of the muscle.

But never get the effect I am getting now which is like 1 to 1, cause and effect, very clear.


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Originally Posted by longerstretch
Amazing!

Couldn’t try it today as the missus was around. It seems like a game changer, hopefully it is.


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Originally Posted by manko007
I read the pdf but it’s quite complex reading. Did it say how the inner and outer tunica layers are connected?

That is a hard one. Not said in this study but the connection is loose and elastic.
There are lots of controversy in literature and cadaver studies as well, because depending on source they tend to deal frequently longitudinal layer of the tunica being firmly attached to the Buck´s fascia.

This is clearly seen in this penile disassembly surgery technique papers where they describe the separation of the Buck´s fascia and the tunica.
During the procedure they separate corpora cavernosas and glans penis completely during this operation.
To do this without cutting the distal ligament what they are actually doing is that they separate tunica layers.

Longitudinal layer of the tunica being firmly attached to the Buck´s fascia and them exposing the corpora cavernosas and separating the complex of tunica outer layer including distal ligament and glans within the described separation of Buck´s fascia and tunica albuginea out of it.

This is obvious because there seems to be no controversies that the distal ligament attaching glans penis is the continuation of the outer layer of the tunica .

Anyway at least outer layer is connected by suspensory ligament in to pubic symphysis and inner layer at the junction of the cruras is attached by arcuate pubic ligament to the pubis symphysis, so it has similar function to the suspensory ligament. Below it, the corpora cavernosa divides into 2 crura corpora cavernosa, which attach to the inferior rami of the pubis.
According to this despite being flexibly bond together the tunica layers are firmly attached to the pubis symphysis each by different ligament.
Each crux is covered by the Ischiocavernosus muscle. The arcuate pubic ligament, along with the crura corpora cavernosa and ischiocavernosus muscles,
firmly attach the corpora cavernosa to the pubis and ischium, constituting the fixed apparatus of the penis.
That describes the cruras with the inner layer of the tunica being most firmly attached by three points.
Outer layer being mostly dorsally firmly attached and partly by collagenous continuation of the Ischiocavernosus muscles having some flexibility by muscular tissues as the anatomy of the penis study indicate.

More confirmation for this provided by this study of tunica layers
Para-Goomba - Tunica Differences

Here is an illustration from another source showing superficial muscle striation belts described in the study above.

This study is the one describing how the attachment ligaments are composed at the base.
Visualization of Penile Suspensory Ligamentous System Based on Visible Human Data Sets

These links are for the disassembly surgery procedure.
Where the Buck´s fascia is separated from the tunica.
https://onlinel ibrary.wiley.co … .1111/bju.12413
https://onlinel ibrary.wiley.co … 0x.2000.00970.x


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Sorry if that went a little bit siderails from the bonds between tunica layers but it seems that Buck´s fascia and tunica outer layer are more connected with each others than tunica layers are by them selves


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

What specific Ultrasound device models are you using (both 1 MHz and 3MHz)?

Any other recommended models?

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Sorry if that went a little bit siderails from the bonds between tunica layers but it seems that Buck´s fascia and tunica outer layer are more connected with each others than tunica layers are by them selves

If both layers are loosely connected then what you said about compressing outer layer to expand radially makes even more sense.

Most of those anatomical terms are unfamiliar to me. I can’t visualize it easily when reading what you wrote. Ill have to take a look at all that info and read it with a visual on hand or I get lost haha


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Originally Posted by mercuryarms
What specific Ultrasound device models are you using (both 1 MHz and 3MHz)?
Any other recommended models?

I have the sound care pro which is $700 around it has 1 and 2 mhz.

And recently got 2 omega ultrasounds which go for $167 a piece. Both 1.6w^2 1mhz.

Kyrpa has the US 2000 which I believe is quite similar to the omegas.

Longerstrerch has a 3mhz one. You could ask him what it is. Maybe an offbrand one of those on ebay from India.

DocJ has another one but not sure what it is.

If I were you I’d get 2 cheap US vs 1 expensive one as the transducers on all are quite small at most 5cm and usually 4cm so you need a wider surface area to heat well.


Genesis 2006 = 5.8" x 4.7" /// Round 3 2019: Hanging again = 7.99" x 5.5" /// ST Goal 2019 = 8" x 6" /// End Game 2020 = 9" x 6.5"

Originally Posted by manko007
If both layers are loosely connected then what you said about compressing outer layer to expand radially makes even more sense.

Most of those anatomical terms are unfamiliar to me. I can’t visualize it easily when reading what you wrote. Ill have to take a look at all that info and read it with a visual on hand or I get lost haha

Yeah. Maybe we get back on it with somesort of English vocals and drawings:)

In nutshell. outer layer is firmly attached at dorsal side at the base. Inner layer is firmly fixed at the root.
To each other they are connected by elastic bonds.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by manko007
I have the sound care pro which is $700 around it has 1 and 2 mhz.

And recently got 2 omega ultrasounds which go for $167 a piece. Both 1.6w^2 1mhz.

Kyrpa has the US 2000 which I believe is quite similar to the omegas.

Longerstrerch has a 3mhz one. You could ask him what it is. Maybe an offbrand one of those on ebay from India.

DocJ has another one but not sure what it is.

If I were you I’d get 2 cheap US vs 1 expensive one as the transducers on all are quite small at most 5cm and usually 4cm so you need a wider surface area to heat well.

I have the Sound Care Plus which has 1 and 3MHz settings, and got it with both the 1cm and 5cm transducers. I have been very happy with it but its pricey. I paid 650 for it.

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