Thank You, Thunder's Place

What kind of equipment are you planning to hang with? Vise, noose, vacuum?

FYI, like many people, I’ve wondered if a chair modified for PE might be worthwhile. Modern office chairs are generally made as a steel pan with foam on top. Modifying one of those would require upholstery work, which isn’t something I’m good at. But old-school office chairs were wood, and it would be easy to jigsaw a notch from the front back to the swivel mechanism and dress the edges with a rasp and sandpaper. They were once yard sale or flea market items in my area, but of course I haven’t found one locally yet. Online, they seem to be known as “banker’s chairs” now. And since they’re large, don’t come apart easily, and are heavy, shipping would be expensive.

If I haven’t found a suitable chair by the time I try hanging, I’ll probably just get an old wooden kitchen chair to modify, and put casters on it.

I’m using a sort of budget version of the $5 hanger chicken choker made a post about. Minus the metal bits, and instead using elastic to hold the thing together. Though, I was just reading some new (to me) posts and found Don’s post on a condom hanger. Absolutely genius! I’ll be attempting at that style of ADS soon but figure my head won’t be wide enough to properly hold the thing up haha!

Try adding a cock ring or rubber band to hold it in place. Remove it often and jelq freshly oxygenated blood in.

As in at the ridge of the head or at the base? That could definitely work either way, but I worry about the noose effects if on the head. Then again, the load is very light by necessity.

An update! It’s been a while. Life happens so often, doesn’t it.

Anyway, progress: crashing through the door of 19cm (7.48") BPEL, ~13cm (5.12") EG so not substantially different on that end. About two weeks/cycles into current workouts. I’ve also just realized that I’ve been doing PE for about 6 months now. Just about +1.7cm BPEL in 6 months, not bad eh?

More or less followed the plan, light hanging as often as I could but ended up having not enough hours in the day after only a few weeks. Got back on the horse once again thanks to actually reading the first several pages of these inspiring threads; Gaining volume with Kyrpa and The Long Game: Learning with Longerstretch, Key Principles to Make Sustained Growth IMO, these two threads should be required reading. The ideas and mindsets that Kyrpa, manko007, longerstretch, tutt, and the so many other contributors bring to the table/reiterate are completely vital. Legitimately, a summary of those two threads could be added to the newbie routine. Since reading even the beginning of these threads I have had a much greater emphasis on heating in general and I’ve noticed easier progress already.

Speaking of, I’ve found that the newbie workout felt… slightly inefficient at this point, so finding a new framework for the workouts (BPSFL strain) to focus on/build around was perfect. I’ve shifted to a sort of ‘Kyrpa-lite’ workout: heated stretching for a minimum of 30 minutes, followed by some (3-7) good 30s manuals aiming for >2.5% strain. Light ‘around the world’ stretching after. Jelqing for me is incredibly monotonous so I figured I’d swap that for edging/jelqing in cycles, plus this gives me time for ‘penile bodybuilding’. I will be continuing the loose following of IPR.

This leads me to a small contribution/question I have to the greater community: is submerged heat equitable to, or even comparable to, US heating? Or even, is it better enough to use over heat pad/rice sock/IR? I have not experienced US yet but there was absolutely a notable improvement in my stretching during/after a nearly scalding bath. The only numbers I have to back this up so far are the BPSFL strain from the two times I’ve used submerged heating vs an electric heat pad. For the submerged: 2.8% and 2.6% (which are the best strain numbers I’ve hit), heat pad: consistently between 1.5% - 2.2% so far. I’ll track these in case anything comes of it. Additionally, the 2.6% strain was on the shortest warmup/workout up until that point with either heating method.

Small side note, the heating/cooling cycles I mentioned months ago seem ill-advised to me now, and a huge pain in the ass. Ultimately didn’t really notice a large difference other than a less ‘sore’ feeling after some workouts.

I don’t want to jump the gun and say that Kyrpa’s method is really that good, but I am seeing gains rates that I have not seen since I started PE. In other words, I’m on track for newbie gains 2.0. While I only started PE 6 months ago, gains were beginning to taper.

I’ve attached a simple chart of Length vs Total Days, and while the data is… meager, it gives a general understanding of my progress thus far. Total days include the time between cycles. The jump near the end is the start of the new program to now.

I’ve also attached a chart tracking most of the workouts in the current cycle. Some data is missing because I did not think to record some of the earliest workouts other than strain. In the most recent workout, I used the cyclic style stretching for the warmup stretches.

Side note: the submerged heating I’ve found to be the best heat I can manage, by folding my penis over a thermometer and removing the heat source I measured the temperature of the shaft to be >~104F (40C) whenever the water is just about 110F (43C) (just before being extremely uncomfortable). While this is not the most accurate measuring and is only in contact with the skin, I feel like it is at least indicative of good heating. The strain data seems to also support this, but that is a bit of an egg and chicken argument.

Comin up on a year in PE. Fun to think about :) So far +2.2cm BPEL career gain.

Smattering of updates:

Completed one and a half cycles of 3-4 weeks on/3-4 weeks off. Kyrpa styled, high heat, conditioning stretches, 30s on-15s off streches for a finisher.

2/8-3/1 - Ended at 19.2cm for a +0.4cm gain
I was extremely excited this cycle. Went well, and I feel like I put in good work.

4/20-5/27 - Ended 19.5cm for a +0.3cm gain
Experimented with the formula a bit on this one, but was generally less committed. Can definitely do better than this, at least in terms of effort. It seems only a few workouts after I add girth work to the strain percentage seems to take a nose dive.

6/22-
Back from vacation, starting up a new one today. Going to hold off on anything more than light girth work. Ideally won’t be taking a month long break between cycles this time haha.

In a perfect world, I’ll have 20.23cm (8”) in about three more cycles, or about 4-6 months if I can stick to the 4 weeks on/1-3 weeks off. Then after whenever that milestone is I’ll be on to girth mainly.

> incredibly monotonous

Don’t feel alone. I’ve wondered if the boredom factor is the main reason men give up on PE.

I listen to audiobooks a lot, but for some reason audio and PE don’t work together for me. I’ve found YouTube to be useful. I find a channel about something I’m slightly interested in, but ordinarily wouldn’t be interested enough to make the time to sit through a whole video, cue it up, and it seems to work.

Don’t get me wrong; sometimes it is boring, but definitely not boring enough for me to stop haha! I feel like boredom would be second to no gains, especially no newbie gains, as far as reasons to give up. I suppose we won’t find much answer to that question on Thunder’s ha!

Music + Thunder’s has been my go to recently :) YouTube is a great one, but I definitely get sucked in way too quickly and feel far too unfocused. That idea of *slightly* interesting is vital haha. If you are at all interested in conspiracy theories or kind of ‘taboo’ topics, Wendigoon has great videos.

Also, about post 31: have you found a banker’s chair to modify? I’m curious to see how you would modify it as well, are you planning to cut a notch down the center for a BTC style hang?

Since about March my BPSFL hasn’t changed, BPEL seems to have caught up and stalled as well. Honestly, I would’ve been discouraged IF I had not been keeping a detailed journal!

I went looking for what changed, and it seems to me that:
1) Longer heavy stretching sets don’t contribute much, and might even be counterproductive
2) Intense heating, even if intermittent, helps immensely.

About 1: Been reading Kyrpa’s thread again, just about caught up finally, but what I found particularly interesting is this post: Kyrpa - Gaining volume with Kyrpa seems to line up perfectly with my current conundrum. I’ve now shifted back to the <15min heavy work. Probably going to reduce force as well.

About 2: The best heating I’ve ever gotten, by feel or by measurement, was during a water heated session. Tankless water heater, set to 120F, can take a 30min-1hour shower and the temperature will be just about the same throughout. Couple of times went a little too hard and my body was seriously protesting the heat. I believe that this method of heating is at least better than my electric heating pad, to the point that I was regularly seeing >2.5% strain during and around the sessions with shower/bath heating, but definitely not the safest or most effective (or environmentally friendly).

Speaking of effective heating methods, I am seriously kicking myself. I had been avoiding looking into US machines because I figured they were all desktop units, or simply too expensive especially if they were handheld/concealable. Turns out not only are they available in handheld variants, but the one mentioned the most throughout Kyrpa’s log was that very style! Went ahead and ordered myself a US Pro 2000 2nd Edition and a MonkeyBar vac hanger setup.

I’ve just come off of a 4 week ‘decon’ and have produced the same (+-2mm) BPSFL 8 times in a row this cycle. I am probably due for an extended decon at this point, but I’d rather at least experiment with the vac hanger in an ADS fashion and US for a few weeks. I have some ideas as far as programming but I want to get used to this new equipment first.

No, the silly things seem to have vanished from the local market.

The plan was to just saw a U from the front, far enough back and wide enough to clear my Bib hanger. Maybe glue/screw some plywood underneath for reinforcement if it looked necessary.

I started building a chair from scratch, but got sidetracked by some other stuff; I’m haven’t started hanging yet, so it hasn’t been a priority.

All of the modern “office chairs” I’ve looked at have had thin steel pans, convoluted to stiffen them. Cutting a big U shape out doesn’t look like it would work well.

Thrift/hospice stores?

That seems convenient for really getting a ton of time in the Bib. If you aren’t trying to specifically do SD hanging, why not add a lip to the front of the seat and hang the weights over said lip? I feel like you could just bolt a plate onto the bottom of any chair. You’ve got me musing to myself about chair modifications now haha!

Alright. VacHanger4 arrived a few days ago, managed to get a few very light sessions done. Sort of feeler runs, real lazy about everything besides actually getting the damn thing on right and seeing how the glands take the stress. So far so good, no real issues up to about 3kg for 10 minutes which I hope will be near the maximum anyway.

Looped the bungie rope the hanger came with on itself and attached carabiners so it can be moved easily and can pull without stretching across the room. Also found an analog luggage scale at the dollar store in order to work some creep/stress relaxation hybrid setup for the US routine. I’ll attach a picture of the whole thing. Basically a big rubber band with a scale.

I’ll be picking up the US device tomorrow, but probably going to hold off until I read a fair bit more of Kyrpä’s US thread. Exciting times :D

My gains have stalled, so I’m very curious to see if US would affect this now. I expect the answer to be “not much”, but would love to be surprised.

Also, I realized that submerged wasn’t the best way to describe it considering I was talking about baths OR showers, and mostly showers to boot :shrug:

That’s where I’ve been looking. In the regular stores, everything seems to be made with a steel pan, mostly with the fake-Aeron look.

Bib suggests doing straight down first, then changing the angle when gains stop. Most guys seem to hang their butt on the edge of the chair and lean back; I don’t think my lower spine would like that, which is why I’ve been planning to modify a chair. A roller or pulley on the front of a chair or a pulley under the desk might have to suffice, though.

Got my hands on a US PRO 2000 and MonkeyBar’s vac extender in June and ran those through a few sessions. Repeated the same measurement for length well more than 10 times and while I did hit some tentative progress numbers I figure a decon is due, so I’ve focused my attention on girth for a while until then. Quickly beginning to wonder if I am one of those ‘blessed’ with multiple circular layers of the tunica.

On Ultrasound therapy in PE: Kyrpa’s threads are of course the first place to go, but I just want to corroborate some things discussed. OTL is absolutely the way to go, makes everything easier. Shaving and plenty of gel or you quickly lose heat/things start pinching. Additional heat sources are useful for a quicker conditioning phase. Feel the heat expanding across the unit, be mindful. Going to be getting temp sensors to keep better track.

On the vac hanger: Nifty! Not nearly as uncomfortable as I feared, easily doing 1hour sessions. Though I am probably decently conditioned from the manuals. Might begin to lube up the cup because it keeps getting stuck to my leg!

As for the girth routine, just doing ULIs, squeezes, squishes, ballooning, light bends, sometimes extremely slow jelqs targeting the lower shaft (I have a natural bat shape), cock rings, and lots of edging/kegeling. Not typically all in the same workout, play it by feel. Taking cues from some of the vets here, just long enough to have a good session, not so high pressure that it kills me, and listening carefully to my body. Going to be taking on girth with a more relaxed attitude, see if I can get somewhere.

Seems to me like girth is a totally different animal in terms of progress, so I’ll be doing this routine for about 90 days and worst case I’ll learn what doesn’t work :shrug: Afterwards I’ll do my best to stay on a bare bones maintenance/decon routine till March or so. 1-2/week of 30 min total stretching/some girth work.