Four months in, no progress

Hi all!

Measured up today, taking several measurements throughout to get an overall reading.
My results are:
EL: 6”
EG:
Base - 4.3”
Mid: - 4.5”

So more or less the starting stats. Though I did grow a little bit on the base, I think.

My routine up to this point was:
Warm up: 10 minutes (Wet wrap before, now IR lamp)
Jelq: 30 minutes (OK grip / C Grip, 3-4 second strokes)
Pump: 15 minutes at 4-5hg with IR Lamp
Occasionally stretch with various exercises (Standard + V Stretch mainly) for 10 minutes later on, with IR Lamp.

…bummer! Any advice on what I can change to help things along?

30 minutes of jelqs should mean that you are quiet sore after that?
If not you might do less time but more intensity. You really should feel that you have done something and then you will get some reaction from your dick.(of course never break it)

How often do you do this? every day? 1on1off?
Whats your PI’s after the exercise?(next day too) How does your EQ change?

Hi there DarkEngine,

Sorry to hear. But I would not give up! I am still very new at this myself, but maybe you need to take a small break for a couple weeks and start back with the newbie routine. I have only been at it for just over two months now and although I have not seen any EL gains, I have gained a half inch with the BPEL. I am sure that if you stick with it the gains will come. Since my wife does not know that I am PEing its hard to find the time, but by putting in as much time as you can, the gains will come.

Don’t loose the faith, good things come to those who wait!

It sounds to me that you overworked. Jelqing should be no more than 10 minutes for a newbie or until you see gains. Pumping shouldn’t be introduced until your penis has been well conditioned with the newbie routine. I think you may have just toughened your penis up, making gains very difficult. I’d recommend a good month or more off and start from scratch. Let your penis get a good rest and start back up SLOWLY!

Good Luck.

Are you erect jelqing? I’ve found that jelqing, starting out with a totally limp dick making it max 20-30% erect, straight down is the way to go for me having a longer and fuller limp dick for hours afterwards is the way to go and will measure at the end of the months to see if it has helped in the gains department.

I think 30 minutes is what the Newbie Routine advises to gradually build up to. I think I feel like I’ve done something when Jelqing entirely with OK grip, but there’s been posts about whether or not that’s actually a good grip to use (Since it impacts the CS, which isn’t so productive but provides a feeling of fullness) When Jelqing, I also press down into the public bone to get some extra blood to pump up before stroking upwards.
I know people report getting those small red spots on the glands, which I never once gotten.

2 on, 1 off.
In terms of PI, I’m honestly not sure. I think there’s some times a feeling of fullness just after. No pain. No morning/nite wood but that’s been the case long before PE, same with low EQ. Don’t really pay attention to change in flaccid look.

Pumping was this month, and I started off with less than 10 minutes.
(To clarify: Adding it into the routine)

How are you doing the kegels?

I can’t see how 30 minutes of jelqing is productive. Then 15 minutes of pumping after that?

It’s a miracle you haven’t had losses.

With that said, take some time off and decondition. You’ve made your penis pretty tough. I doubt dialing your routine back will work till you are less accustomed to the strain of PE.

I’ll keep that in mind. That said:
Newbie Penis Enlargement Routine

I generally don’t kegal as it doesn’t work quite so well these days. I made a topic on it in Injuries (regarding BC muscle), but I don’t think people responded.

To support this new and higher blood flow/volume you will need to workout you pelvic floor muscles too. Skipping this and you could end up unbalanced, leading to either poor EQ (hardness mostly) or no gains.

Gains aren’t only from the proliferation of the cells, but from the capability of the penis to “hold” more blood, requiring a stronger pelvic muscles.

Good luck.

Thanks.
The problems ironically began when I started doing kegals seriously, and maybe I over trained them as well. I don’t know.
Kegals not working properly could also be a case of ED.

Sounds all a bit conflicting.
On one side you need to get your EQ inline. Without good EQ you cant realize gains(fill them in so to speak). Low EQ could of course come from beeing overworked. Fullness is a good sign.
Still to me it sounds like you need more intensity. You need to feel some impact. Some fatigue after exercise. A reaction. Of course dont overdo also.
Try to do your jelqs a bit towards pointing left/right which creates kind of a bend. As if you would do half a circle in the air.
Play around with jelqs a bit and check what works for you and creates some impact.

But focus first on good EQ. Lots about it on the forum.

Then do reverse kegels to counterbalance. When balanced do them 50/50. I messed up my PF through kegeling all day with short bursts years ago.
A balanced PF could be the first way towards good EQ. Also check/change masturbating habits(like too much porn or always in the same position)

How long should I take off?

I’d do more intensity but from sounds of replies here, intensity is a no-go from the risk of toughening the dick.
I also tried reverse kegals with hindi squats (and other positions, 15-30 minutes) for about one and a half months — didn’t seem to change it.

DE-
Seriously the newbie routine as stated needs a serious update. Nobody should be jelqing for 30 minutes. A lot has changed in knowledge since the newbie routine was written yet everyone recommends it as written. Nobody shoud be jelqing for 30 minutes it is counterproductive to PE. Over conditioning is a bigger problem than under conditioning. It makes gains harder. The name of the game is inflicting enough stresses and trauma and tissue deformation in the shortest amount of time. With enough rest, it will grow.

I did the same thing as you in the beginning 30 minutes of jelqing thinking I was getting somewhere and the gains were soon to come. I took a break instead and started inflicting trauma in different ways quickly and then I started to gain. It’s no fault of yours or mine but the newbie routine is way to stressful and to routine and gives a false impression of what one needs to do to stimulate growth.

Dark engine you for sure need a break. Then a change that routine up and keep changing it up. I’d even cut jelqing out completely for a few months

I’d go with 2 months. Any shorter and your dick is likely to shrug off coming back to PE with a light regiment like the Newbie Routine.