Theories of Tensions for Penis-growth? - strength and duration

Great, thanks!
Ah ok, yea, with hanging the pull does not get softer with time..

How do you notice tissue fatigue? It is a ‘goal’, it is a good thing to reach? I guess yes..

From these Threads:
A few questions from a beginner to extending.
jes extender - results so far
Tension on the penimaster
Penimaster,questions and perhaps new discussion

TIPS EXTENDER
- crankmymotor
What is important is that you can hook up an pull! Far to many people, fail to pull, so instead wear an extender as jewelry and expect gains. If you can’t hook up to full springs, you are wearing jewelry.
- MrNine
Also, don’t wear it at your max stretched length, instead find the best and most comfortable tension you can wear it at for at least 30-45 minutes. That is where I messed up in the beginning.
- Slack
You’re supposed to SLIGHTLY stretch using the device - about 0.5” more than your regular flaccid size. Using full tension does nothing good.
Most people “stretch” the penis as much as they can when using an ADS, and then wonder why they get circulation cut off 30-60 minutes later. The reason is like I said, incorrect usage. Using the device correctly as I described above, allows the wearer to wear the ADS for several hours consistently.
- njdlf4111
maximum tension makes more sense
- Slack
High tension for a short period, then low tension for a long period.
That is the method generally regarded as “best”.
- Shaguar
I found my personal “optimal” tension level by trial and error, I tried the max tension on the penimaster over and over again, wanting to get fast results, but after an hour the numbness set in. I went down a notch and the same thing happened, So I reset the tension to 690g and found that this stopped any numbness, just base irritation after 3-4 hours of use.
I would suggest others use this method for finding their own optimal tension level, as long as its over 400g you should make gains after long term use.
- matti
In my opinion a constant light strech is the best way to increase lenght do to celular multiplication.
- KinXXXize
I don’t see any problem wearing it at night. Last night I put it on before going to sleep, I think I woke up after sleeping an hour. Doing this, I got a better flaccid for the whole next day. It’s rather impossible losing my dick while being asleep wearing the PM, after a little pain occurs I wake up and take it off.
- MrTips
I made myself a special ‘rice sock’ as follows: I took two unmatched dress socks, inverted on of them inside out, and then stitched the toes together. Then I pushed my hand through the un-inverted sock all the way through the inverted sock (re-inverting it) such that I now had one sock inside the other with the toes stitched together. I filled the annular space between the socks about 1/3 to 1/2 full of flaxseed (I use ground flaxseed in my diet for health reasons so I had a supply on hand). Then I stitched the tops of the socks together thus sealing the flax seeds into the annular cavity. This form of ‘rice sock’, once heated in the microwave, will fit right over the penis stretcher mounted on your unit and thus give one heck of a nice ‘roast’ for about 30 minutes to an hour. It feels just terrific! I can pull the band of my jockey shorts up over the whole bulge to hold it into place and let it cook while I work on my computer (I am wearing it right now as I type this). There are some caveats: Be darn sure you check out the temperture in the inner cavity with your hand to make sure it is not too hot! If it is too hot for your hand to stand it you can bet your poor dick will scream in protest! One technique I am investigating is to use the digital temperature indicator (like a Radio Shack themister/digital readout) to measure the inner temperture of my ‘rice sock’ as a function of microwave heating time so I can learn to target heating time versus temperature response. That way, I can learn what time it takes to get an inner sock temperture of 112-120 deg F (49 celsius) which should be the target temperture to best help the stretching of the plastic portion of the tunica with the stretcher.
- Dongalong
I read somewhere that pulling with your hand can exert about 15lbs of traction force, I also read that 6-8lbs is needed to pop open the cellular connections in the penis. Wearing the extender after this encourages new cells to fill these gaps.

RESULTS
- swiss tallman:
1 year, jes extender morning 30min, evening 90min
fl.4.0x4.5 to fl.5.5x4,7 and er.5.5x5.0 to 6.7x5.5
- Along:
1 year, 2340 hours, selfmade extender
starting stats Erect 5.5”L x5”G; After: Erect 7.0”Lx5.75G
- johnhunguk:
7 months, 6-9 hours a day
6.25 inches to 7.5 inches
- 5poin5:
7 months, 4h per day, penimaster
+0.5cm
- akaaakaaka:
2 months, 4-10hours per day
no results
- matti
3 months, 3 hours per day
+0.5cm
- dongalong
1,5 monhts, 9 hours per day
+ 0.5cm

My CONCLUSION
Yea, i guess the standard for extenders is pulling hard, BUT: as long as you don’t have to sacrifice time.
So as long as i can do my 14 hours a day, i can raise the strength of the pull.
That’s how i understood it at least.

Hm.
There was a theory that
Extender works in a different way than hanging.
The fundamental difference just that
extender = less pulling, but longer -> slow cell multiplication or something
hanging = more pulling, less long timeframes -> ‘plastic transformation’
Yea, i just read this somewhere on the forum.
The idea was that it’s 2 things that work a bit differently.

(and you could ‘extend’ with a hanger when you just eg hang for 7 hours streight with a low weight,
or you could ‘hang’ with an extender if you manage to pull so hard that you have to make smaller sets)

TODO
- Get a better heating sock / heating solution
Ok, the problem is, i have no microwave. I guess this makes the whole thing impossible.

Hmm.. Perhaps i think i remember something, some stuff for winter time. You can make it hot for your hands or something, then put it in boiling water to ‘reload’ it again for another use.
Ok! There is stuff, that is 55 degree celsius (130 fahrenheit) for 12 hours -
bad thing: daily use would cost 240 euro per year.

Ok, found another thing - electrical
https://www.ama … /dp/B01MG7MCOX/
-> great. 20 euros, and i just recharge it with usb. If this works i can buy a few of those.

Ok, still another: re-chargable by cooking it in water. Bad: works ‘only’ one hour.
https://www.ama … /dp/B01MFF8F9W/

QUESTION
- Do you kegel when in extender? Sometimes i just happen to do it automatically
- Roughed up skin, just from stretching - I guess.. it’s a good sign? (Skin is stretching?)

Note to myself:
Keep on going in these threads to read:
Penimaster,questions and perhaps new discussion (p. 4)
Penimaster anyone tried it? (p. 4)

It starts as a gentle ache. If I left the device on - the ache increased. It would get to the point where I couldn’t bear to keep it on. It’s an indication of partial tissue failure. The body has to then heal…maybe analogous to delayed onset muscle soreness.

Again, this was from a one pound device and would happen in after 2 to 4 hours of no sitting. Just walking and standing. I was felling trees.

This.

The concept of “healing in an extended state” pretends that there is a way to influence healing with traction during the healing process when healing will not occur until a stimuli like traction ceases! I have never found value in it and I’ve tried extenders and ADS devices at extended usage times. Proper rest is more important than anything in almost every kind of routine.

Also, theories I play with are here: thoughtfulgold’s Gains Theory: What mechanisms do they use and how do they differ?

We all have our own ideas. I don’t push mine as gospel. It’s just what I function with.

Much because everyone’s different. I did not gains much if anything for my first 10! years doing the less is more approach and it’s only after doing some serious extending mixed up with some manual routine I’ve finally gained something substantial. And everything on here is just theories and assumptions in the end, what works for one might not work for another and so on.

AND if we are to believe in the really BIG gainers on here they all seemed to do hours of PE a day reaping gains upon gains from it.

Thats not true. Not all the big gainers do hours of PE a day. There are many members here who gained 1.5-2 with a 20-30 min a day routine, but in the long run.

The “lets do more to gain more” approach doesnt apply to PE and we all know it. What really matters is consistency with a simple but effective routine.

Doing too many things to gain more is an easy way to make your tunica stronger and make future gains harder.

Ok, so you say even with (low-strength) traction penis does only heal / grow new cells when there is no traction. (well, superlow traction, just the weight of the penis itself is pushing it down, just minimal).

What do you think is the ideal time per day to be in an All day stretcher? (i could be there for nearly 24 hours)
Do you think one should have rest days when using an all day stretcher?
Common ‘trend’ here i guess is that all-day-stretchers with low traction you should just wear a lot and need no rest days.

I am unsure of how hard i should pull with the All day stretcher. With the esl40 reinforced one i can pull pretty hard while still staying comfortable to wear it 14h a day only taking it off for peeing. (On the other hand i think extenders in general pull harder than esl40)

So, doing it over a long time (years) is the most important, i guess most will agree.

I am no pro but I was able to get about .5” in about 3 months of manual routine with what I would call medium pressure. I had a big issue with an unnaturally short lig that would get tight whenever I had an erection. I had a girl slide off of my to the side one time and holy my god it literally felt like she ripped my dick off. Only reason I mention that is because it is totally possible that it was the thing that was holding me back and fixing that through manual stretching may have been what got me to the .5” gain so fast. With that being said, you may want to try a more intensive manual routine instead of an all-day routine if that is not giving you any gains at all. What is the definition of insanity again?

I do not “say” it. This is fact. Our body is uniformly designed to heal tissues while we rest. Tissue repair cycles are documented in medical journals. i am no doctor but I am certain we have to work within the boundaries of evolutionary and biological design to attain any physical change safely.

Where have you read that? I have not seen such as advice. Additionally it certainly isn’t common. Rest days are key to most PE routines and device use.

Oh ok.

Thanks thoughtfulgold, thanks for the link, my totally-not-perfect NOTES of thoughtfulgold writings here:
thoughtfulgold’s Gains Theory: What mechanisms do they use and how do they differ?
Newbie gains: pulling more of the inner penis out + better erections, in the first up to 18 months
Then:
Tissue growth: either
a. Small traumas that will repair bigger in the *rest phase*; to have more gains do more intensity
b. Traction: stretching penis to the limit, growth here is happening while under the stimulus (hours in the All day stretcher); to have more gains, do more time

Primarily Small Trauma methods: Jelqing, most other manual exercises.
Primarily Traction methods: Rod style traction extenders, All Day Stretcher devices, Manual stretching, edging.
Hybrid methods: Clamping, hanging, pumping, Horse Squeeze 440, Extreme ULI

Traction can be good in the beginning, there will be a time of no further gains.
Then move on to hybrid or trauma methods. (he says do small trauma or stretch first, when you don’t gain anymore with both only then go to hybrid)

COMMENTS:
Ok, I’ll start with All-Day-Stretching for first 6-12 months and as long as I gain (big words, I am just in month 3 with no gains so far )). Then one month break and try again. Then look into hanging and do the same, and after that into pumping or clamping.

Thoughtfulgold, do you have an opinion on how ‘hard’ you should pull with all-day-stretcher?
Eg when one uses a certain strength and can use the device 14 hours per day without problems, the strength can’t be too high, or can it?

(I did 3 months of jelquing, 3 months of clamping, 3 months of pumping – always in between gave up on PE, for at least 6 months, I also never made any gains.. I also did some stretching in my youth, 18 years ago, I made some gains but there was also puberty, so.. but I was thinking perhaps I make no gains anymore because of gains already at this younger stage – anyway, I’ll plan to do the 1000-2000hours of all-day-stretching to see if there are any gains)

Another thread: Deconditioning is good for you
thoughtfulgold’s Penis Enlargement as "Scheduled Trauma" theory

notes to myself:
Perhaps take a conditioning break 1 week every 6 weeks. But I think not with all day stretcher.
Or do 5 days on, 2 days off?
1 month off every 6 months?
-> thoughtfulgold, did you have all-day-stretching also in mind in your deconditioning post, you think it’s also beneficial there? (a. 6 days on 1 day off; b. 1 month off every 6 months)

The traction theory is not well worded. It is the stimuli of tissue hyperplasia and permanent stretching of said cells that is the main mechanic here. Under the stimuli, growth can occur if the deformation of cells is the mechanic. Otherwise, if stimulating celluar reproduction, rest must take place to cause growth.

Nowhere in either link have I advocated skipping rest days or taking no rest days. That extrapolation is one you continue to purport of your own will.

Additionally you can never be sure which mechanism causes how much of your growth so prudence dictates rest days as only in a limited capacity can any growth occur under traction. Cells are not infinitely elastic thus this mechanic cannot create infinite gains. So, with cellular divisions and the reinforcement, repair and continuation of a tissue structure rest must take place.

Regardless how many hours you wish to log with any kind of stretcher, you cannot skip a proportional amount of rest. More time under tension does equal more gains but only with a proportional amount of regular rest and deconditioning.

Your own notes on what I’ve said do not reflect my advice. It is your own bias to continue with less rest that you use to interpret my own theories. You can use them as you wish but I do not advocate what you suggest if you’re going to skip rest or deconditioning with a stretcher.

Cool!

So do you recommend
- When i extend for 14 hours: how much rest? 8 hours is ok?
- One rest day per week also when ‘just using a traction device’?
- One rest-month after 6 months

You will craft the routine you want. I have made clear schedules I think are effective in the posts you linked. You can act as you will, as it is your journey. Not mine.