Penis Size: The True Average

This in one of the more bizarre statements I have read in a while. So you think there is an international conspiracy of researchers and scientists who are manipulating their data to make you feel better? Seriously?

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I don’t know if I have quoted this article before, but it explains two concepts that will be useful to you. I am rearranging the sentence order slightlly:

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Shower's vs Grower's

"Research shows soft (flaccid) penises vary in size much more than erect ones do - and it isn’t possible to predict from a soft cock what It’ll look like when It’s hard.

Some guys don’t change much between flaccid and erect, others do. Sometimes this is referred to as guys being ‘showers’ - they’re big when soft and don’t get much bigger; or ‘growers’ - they’re smaller when soft but then grow a fair bit as they get hard.

Self Selection for Size Surveys

Most researchers, therapists and doctors suspect the 'average' penis size figures obtained in research (and widely quoted) are at least an inch larger than they should be. This is because research on penis size is skewed in favour of men who are happy to be measured.

They’re based on measurements from laboratory studies where men knew they were participating in research to see how their knobs measured up.
This means guys who were worried about size were less likely to participate, whilst guys who thought they had big schlongs were more than happy to waggle them under researchers noses."

What’s the average penis size?
by Dr. Petra Boynton
http://www.mans ized.co.uk/answ … -penis-size/a15

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So to summarize

— you can’t judge the size of an erect penis based on a flaccid. EX: I am a grower — my pre-pe flacid increased 3 - 4 times when erect. I assumed this was true of all penises. That is not true for showers. They may not get much bigger at all.

— Many researches feel that the "average size" quoted by studies is TOO LARGE because "guys who thought they had big schlongs were more than happy to waggle them under researchers noses."

When you’ve seen a picture of her ex; you would understand why she called me small.

T.

Lots of great info and perspective here. Call me ignorant, but I still believe the average or “norm” to be more like 6-6.5 X 5+ EG. I know, it’s an endless debate, and it will never die. Sorry for posting my take here, I didn’t mean to get anyone riled up! Should have let it remain in my head only….

Beretta92 — I have another one for you:

Here’s why it seems everybody has a bigger dick than yours:

petitfaun - Wangarexia

Great post! I’ll have to try that. Still though, I’ve seen both cousins and brother hard, so I have no doubt there, (was many years ago). I guess I got the “short” end of the stick genetically then…. I started PE at 5.5 BPEL X 4.375 EG, by the way.

Currently at about 6.5BPEL X 4.9EG, (on a good day) I still feel like I fit into the lower half of average.

Excellent gains!

No it’s fine. Everyone has the right to disagree. And sometimes you even learn a thing or two. My perspective has changed 1000x from before I joined Thunders to now, there is lots of good data and info here. And seriously, if it’s bothering you much it’s probably better to talk about it, or type about it.

And I am still really curious to know how you know those measurements. I have only seen a few flaccid penises (dads, a few others etc) and wouldn’t be able to guess what size they are. I don’t even know if I am bigger or smaller then my dad. It’s really bugging me. Especially since I was younger when I saw it and everything seems bigger when you are younger. I accidently saw my brothers flaccid a few months ago when busting for a pee. I can’t even remember the size of it or how big it’d be when erect. He has really low bodyfat (10% or so) so that automatically makes it look bigger. In my opinion Thunders is the most reliable source of finding realistic measurements (especially for the people that post pics) and trying to make comparisons.

About average size, in the last month or so, I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t care about it anymore. What the number is I mean. If the true average is 5 or 6 or 7 it doesn’t make much difference. What is maybe more important, is the average size that a potential lover will come across. If she is the kind of outgoing girl that goes to clubs and things like that, chances are she will encounter the alpha male types in good shape that get around more and that are better hung. So you are competing with those guys, more so then the 4-5 incher that is shy to go out. I’d imagine that size is more around 6.5x5+ similar to what you said. There is no proof of this either, but this rough imaginery figure is more important to me that the statistical true average. It’s always interesting to see new graphs or data but it doesn’t make much difference overall. And that other figure, when I say more important, I still don’t care much about it. It’s probably more important to concentrate on being a good cocksman then worry if you are above or below average. But that’s just me.

And congrats on the gains. :)

There is no concept of keeping an average low. This isn’t an “everybody gets a prize” day. You are falling prey to several biases, self-selection being one of them. Start by reading this: Availability Bias.

Now, here’s a real concept: why not try testing out your own assumptions? For example, “the percentage of guys starting out under 5”EG is pretty small”. You are falling prey to availability bias in making this conclusion. Let’s test to see what is really true. If we use the PE database, we find that 40% of men start out at under 5” EG and 18% start out at exactly 5” EG. These are not “small” percentages.

These “average” guys aren’t hiding. They are right under your nose, but you aren’t noticing.

But Beretta, when you review the science behind size surveys, doesn’t it change these perceptions? What if you were a resident of Italy, or Germany, or Israel, where real medical professionals have conducted surveys and come up with things like 5.7BP (Germany), or 5.4BP (Israel) or FSL of under 5 (Italy)?

I don’t see how people can rationalize for the superiority of non-scientific surveys (and anecdotal evidence) in the face of all this contradictory data. What would possibly be an explanation for all this science being lower?

As StaKool said, is it your theory that all these scientists and doctors (and the Italian military) are in collusion to deceive you, supposedly in an attempt to make men feel better? All of this manipulation of results down by a full inch surely requires a vast international conspiracy of budding Dr Phils who have forsaken the ideals of scientific exploration and accuracy in order to make guys sleep easier at night. And I have to say, it’s been a complete failure!

I just can’t wrap my brain around this.

CubanB- Excellent post. I totally understand what you are saying, and I do agree with it. Actually, I don’t dwell on the “average” and all that shit much anymore. It used to bother me a lot more, but I have learned a lot here at Thunder’s over the 7+ years I have been a member. One of them being answers to this very subject.

I suppose the best way to put it would be this, and it touches on/agrees with some of Invisible’s points as well. It is all about perception, my perception in this case. It is likely true that many women have seen more larger ones than smaller ones. Obviously this is dependent on the demographic, region, etc. The “average” guys are out there, me being one of them. It seems that in many cases they don’t get the notice, or sometimes get categorized as small. Perhaps the smaller ones are the less confident, or less likely to be out banging all kinds of women, especially in the hip-hop Gen-Y or younger crowd, bars/clubs, etc. It all makes sense to me, at least in my case. I hit the tail end of Gen-X. I graduated highschool in 1992. Luckily, I just missed the hip-hop and rap explosion…. Can’t stand the shit.

I believe I would have nailed 3 times as many women as I did in my younger years, had I been larger then, and had the confidence to go along with it. Last time I tried to figure it out, I believe I had slept with about 30 people in my life. I have been married for 14 years now though, and only stepped out once (one person) during that time, several years ago.

So my conclusion is this, and it is area-specific for me. I do believe all the medical or “professional” studies do in fact indicate what the true average is, or very close to it. However my observation, and that of popular culture in my area indicates a larger average, and it is likely due to the reasons I pointed out above. Make sense to anyone?

Sure Beretta92, I agree to an extent. While I don’t think dick size has a huge effect on most average-sized men’s sexual confidence (we PEers might be a special case), I do think that a lot of guys on the truly small end of the spectrum might get hung up about it, and it might be the case that very few women, for that reason, encounter many dicks significantly below average in size.

Exactly what I meant! Women not experiencing as many smaller ones, due to their owner’s reluctance to use/show them, I believe that is a HUGE reason many people are surprised the real “average” is so low. That included myself originally also.

And to those of us here, many of us are here for personal reasons, due to size insecurity. So yes, I believe we PE’ers are a special case. But hey, at least we are doing something about it. It’s like therapy, building confidence that even radiates to other aspects of life, and is an overall life benefit. For some, I bet it beats the shit out of seeing a shrink! Bigger cock= solution to more of life’s problems than many could ever imagine….

Yes, I’ll take bigger cock over paying money to a shrink anyday. :)

Less likely to encounter smaller penis= less likely to pass down the small penis genes, evolution at work. I can’t imagine what penis sizes will look like 400 years from now, assuming humans are still around, I’d bet the average would be what we now consider to be large.

“I believe I would have nailed 3 times as many women as I did in my younger years, had I been larger then, and had the confidence to go along with it. Last time I tried to figure it out, I believe I had slept with about 30 people in my life. I have been married for 14 years now though, and only stepped out once (one person) during that time, several years ago.”

This is totally the case with me. I had a lot of opportunity that I passed up on in my younger years because of insecurity. I think it might especially effect people with small flaccids. When I was younger my flaccid was really small and although I didn’t get much shit from other boys at my class I had a few comments that gave me a hang up. Also when I got into a mixed school aged 16 there was no way I wanted it to get out that I was small (although I suppose I’m not I think most girls that young fucked guys with bigger than average cocks), because I had seen the shit other guys had said about them. And there is no solidarity with guys like there sometimes is with girls. The guys would make fun of the guy accused of having a small dick and the girls would giggle and make fun too. I didn’t want to be that guy, especially as I was pretty popular at that school so it would have been useful ammo for people wanting to take me down a peg or two.

Pisses me off when I think about it as I would have fucked a lot more women in those early days. But I suppose it helped make me the person I am today and as I like myself I can’t get too pissed off about that.