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Pre-Stretching Tunica to allow more Girth Expansion

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
Correct.
It will potentially weaken the tunica directly. The clamping then expands it from inside out. Two different forces that might do the trick for you.
Proceed with caution!

The way I understand it, the tunica is made up of two layers of long, parallel fibers, with the two layers at 90 degrees to each other, essentially like a hashtag: #
One layer is aligned with the length of the penis. This layer is in tension when you perform stretches, hang, or wear an extender.
The other layer, being perpendicular, is aligned with the circumference of the penis, and is under tension when clamping, doing erect squeezes, and pumping.

To maximize expansion of the tunica, you need to stretch both layers of fibers. Bundled stretches stretch both layers at the same time due to the rotation combined with the stretch.
I myself alternate stretching both layers. My PE consists of stretches followed by jelqs, followed by erect squeezes. All done under hot water in the shower.


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Originally Posted by richardfitswell
The way I understand it, the tunica is made up of two layers of long, parallel fibers, with the two layers at 90 degrees to each other, essentially like a hashtag: #
One layer is aligned with the length of the penis. This layer is in tension when you perform stretches, hang, or wear an extender.
The other layer, being perpendicular, is aligned with the circumference of the penis, and is under tension when clamping, doing erect squeezes, and pumping.

To maximize expansion of the tunica, you need to stretch both layers of fibers. Bundled stretches stretch both layers at the same time due to the rotation combined with the stretch.
I myself alternate stretching both layers. My PE consists of stretches followed by jelqs, followed by erect squeezes. All done under hot water in the shower.

This is probably on point.
The distinction with the layers is that the longitudinal(“length”) layer is atop the circular(“girth”) layer.

This has implications on how to attack the layers.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
This is probably on point.
The distinction with the layers is that the longitudinal(“length”) layer is atop the circular(“girth”) layer.

This has implications on how to attack the layers.

Very good point.

What do you think the best way to “attack” is?
-first target the outer layer?
-first target the inner layer?


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Originally Posted by pe_pe
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The main one is myofascial unlocking (a very low intensity exercise).
Myofascial Unlocking just helps to create much better temp gains and I used it as a warmup.

It is done by massaging one side chamber from the base up to the head at 100% EQ in overlapping circles with the thumb.
I do about 10-20 circle motions on a spot for 10-15s then move upwards to the next one on the shaft.
The pressure point should be on most convect point of the chamber.
Then move blood upwards while moving up to the next circle position.
Intensity can be increased by side bends.
You need a constant 100% EQ for this exercise.

By unlocking the tunica more expansion is possible

Would more efficient myofascial unlocking be accomplished using a variable speed vibrating bullet with a contact surface highly similar to a fingertip? I was thinking, with how it is described, the vibration could be quite efficient in this goal. And a cheap bullet toy can be had for just a few dollars on Adam and Eve.


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Originally Posted by dickerschwanz

Thus when an erection is initiated the circular layer is prevented to further expand by the longitudinal layer.

This is why Jelqing for girth is not recommended at 100% erection level. At 80% one can create more expansion with jelqs then a 100% erection level.

Couldn’t you make the argument then you need to jelq at 100% in order to stretch/expand the limiting layer.

Originally Posted by MajicWand
Couldn’t you make the argument then you need to jelq at 100% in order to stretch/expand the limiting layer.

Jelqing at 100% is not advised because it is very easy to cause an injury.

Clamping or manual squeezes at 100% on the other hand, stretch both layers.

I do flacid stretches first to target the longitudinal layer, and then jelqs and manual squeezes to target both at the same time.


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2016: BPEL: 6.25in EG: 5.25in

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Originally Posted by MajicWand
Couldn’t you make the argument then you need to jelq at 100% in order to stretch/expand the limiting layer.

I think lot’s of exercises including jelqs somewhat target both. Even stretches affect the girth layer.
The layers are in parts also interwoven and connected.
100% jelqs just feel to me very ineffective.

Besides.. Jelqs cause of their short duration impact on any part of the tunica don’t seem to be very tunica targeted.
Frequency of expansion has an impact on the tunica but constant expansion without rest seems to be much more effective.
The tunica has the ability to very easily snap back to square one if the tension is not kept for x amount of time.

Length layer has more ability to expand in the flaccid state. Some can stretch further flaccid than erect. BPFSL > BPEL .
Girth layer practically expands best in the erect state. It’s almost impossible to stretch the girth layer in flaccid state beyond it’s erect size.

Dickerschwanz/richardfitswell,

If one were to assume that a tough tunica may be a culprit, do you think stretching on non-PE days would be beneficial in order to limit the tunica’s ability to retract to it’s original state?

I have been upping my bundled stretches a bit and notice more expansion the day after, but want to make sure I am not inadvertently stressing the tissue to the point where it will toughen back up.

Regards,
B

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
The case for doing Length work right before doing Girth work in order to gain girth:

Anatomically the tunica is build in a way that is keen on restricting the girth expansion. If it didn’t the penis would be wider then longer(which obviously would prevent procreation).

The tunica has two layers. One longitudinal(length) layer and one circular(girth) layer. Both containing and restricting the Smooth Muscle Cells in the CC which fill with blood to initiate the erection.
The longitudinal layer sits ABOVE the circular layer. THIS IS THE KEY.
Thus when an erection is initiated the circular layer is prevented to further expand by the longitudinal layer.

I think the longitudinal layer reaches its rigidity before the circular is able to.
Many know the effect where it seems that with a 80% flaccid or flushed dick it seems girth is bigger then when erect. This happens cause the circular layer is able to expand more when the restricting longitudinal layer isn’t at erection rigidity.

This is why Jelqing for girth is not recommended at 100% erection level. At 80% one can create more expansion with jelqs then a 100% erection level.
This out and inner layer concept is also evident with the Corpus Spongosium at the underside. It can expand quiet easy cause it misses the longitudinal layer restriction.

So to allow the circular layer to expand more we stretch the longitudinal layer before.
This means doing length work right before girth work.

Bumping this thread. I have experienced what is being explained here and it seems to be consistent. It makes sense.


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The Op is right about the outer layer restricting inner layer expansion while stretched to its full length during natural erection, via pumping or clamping

More than pre-stretching the outer layer to its extended length we can use methods to restrict it from being tensioned during the expansion workout in the first place.

Restricted length pumping and clamping deny the outer layer from being stretched to its full length and therefore allows much more room for the inner layer to expand. As for the radial expansion of the cavernous spaces, the sinusoids, and the smooth muscle this makes an environment otherwise impossible.

You can realistically extend the outer layer maximum of 5-6 mm with a perfect setup.
But you can restrict it from extending 10 -15 mm without any problems.

It is a massive difference in how much the inner layer can expand just because of it.
With such a setup there is no need to use some of the extreme methods mentioned in this thread.


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When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Reading this made me picture a slow squash jelq done with the glans being pushed into a hand braced against a wall.

If I’m understanding this right, the small bit of slack the pressing palm adds to the longitudinal layer should free up the lattitudinal layer for a bit more expansion.

Originally Posted by Paul H.
Reading this made me picture a slow squash jelq done with the glans being pushed into a hand braced against a wall.

If I’m understanding this right, the small bit of slack the pressing palm adds to the longitudinal layer should free up the lattitudinal layer for a bit more expansion.

Or just compressed between free hands expanding the most out of it. Physical exercise though.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa

Or just compressed between free hands expanding the most out of it. Physical exercise though.

Could this be achieved by using a smaller tube than my base girth? For example, the 2” tube vs the 2,25”, the latter is the one wich makes it possible to expand the outer layer at it’s best. Should I be using the 2” tube with lower pressures in order to not hurt my base? Or would it be better if I used the 2,25” tube with something stuffed inside?

Originally Posted by train spot
Could this be achieved by using a smaller tube than my base girth? For example, the 2” tube vs the 2,25”, the latter is the one wich makes it possible to expand the outer layer at it’s best. Should I be using the 2” tube with lower pressures in order to not hurt my base? Or would it be better if I used the 2,25” tube with something stuffed inside?

Putting a cushion of some kind inside the tube you can adjust the length during the pumping.
Roll a sock if you can’t make a fitting rubbery cushion.
Best is if the used cushion will form a cup shape, pushing not as much on the tip of the penis but on the cigar shape ends of the CC’s.

Try it with your fist. Let the glans dip inside a bit and press the CC ‘s while jelqing against.

Sounds like the 2 ” cylinder being too narrow for this.
For an example me having 2.15” tube, it is normally packed 6cm at the base.
With the restricting cushion on the distal end it is packed at least of 15 cm in length.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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