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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

So last week was my first week…or shall I say 5 day cycle. I heated and stretched/extended for 30-40 minutes, followed by 20 minutes ultrasound while hanging 6lbs over my leg (US Pro 2000 2nd ed, 2 units), and finished with 10 minutes stretching/extending. I’m keeping a log of all of my measurements. My issue, which I feel other people have mentioned having read through everything, is that I feel a lot of heat generated on my leg, but my penis itself doesn’t feel that warm/uncomfortable. I’m not measuring temps yet, and will look for a sensor on Amazon today, but I guess I’m concerned that the depth of the 1 mHz machine is too deep? I mean, I’m 6.25”x5” erect…not sure my flaccid measurements and can’t really do that at work today…but when stretched out over my leg and hanging under stress, I’m maybe .75” thick? Is that where everyone else feels the heat?

BTW- first week’s measurements were 18.0cm start and maybe 18.4mm at the end of the session…basically the same every day, so I guess that’s a 2.22% strain.

Sounds like your on track to gains man. I’ve never tried US but I find that with any attempts to heat my penis, my leg feels warm and my penis doesn’t, so I can definitely relate. I think ultimately, even if it doesn’t feel like its working, it probably is more effective than you realise.

Originally Posted by igigi
That is a nice setup my friend!
Do you need to release pressure off the clamp for circulation during the therapy or is it safe to use it throughout?

Thank you!

Well, what can I say. I’m not quite sure about that either.
In Krypa’s thread there are 2 different statements. Krypa writes of 30 min, Tutt of 60 min.

I initially took a break after 30 min to let the blood circulate. This is quite effortful and by now I’m pulling through in one piece again.
A torniquet can apparently be used for 2 hours without any problems. I’m well below that with one hour.

If I have something new to say about it, I’ll come back to it.

Originally Posted by ObiWan77
So last week was my first week…or shall I say 5 day cycle. I heated and stretched/extended for 30-40 minutes, followed by 20 minutes ultrasound while hanging 6lbs over my leg (US Pro 2000 2nd ed, 2 units), and finished with 10 minutes stretching/extending. I’m keeping a log of all of my measurements. My issue, which I feel other people have mentioned having read through everything, is that I feel a lot of heat generated on my leg, but my penis itself doesn’t feel that warm/uncomfortable. I’m not measuring temps yet, and will look for a sensor on Amazon today, but I guess I’m concerned that the depth of the 1 mHz machine is too deep? I mean, I’m 6.25”x5” erect…not sure my flaccid measurements and can’t really do that at work today…but when stretched out over my leg and hanging under stress, I’m maybe .75” thick? Is that where everyone else feels the heat?

BTW- first week’s measurements were 18.0cm start and maybe 18.4mm at the end of the session…basically the same every day, so I guess that’s a 2.22% strain.

Glad you have started my friend.
Few questions: This questions are just in case we can help you with information/techniques to improve the therapy.

- What was your initial weight? or did you stretch the whole time with 6lbs?

- You say that your Post BPFSL was “maybe” 18.4. Is there a specific reason why it wasn’t accurate? The best way to measure is Bone pressed. And by that, it means press the ruler agains the same spot each time, and press as hard as you can. In other words, getting as close to the bone as possible. If we always measure that way, using the exact same spot each time, measuring will be reliable.

In regards to feeling the heat in the leg, that is the way it is pretty much. It doesnt mean you’re heating your leg and not your penis. You will always feel that burn in the leg, but that same heat is radiating to the inner penis. Once you get a thermometer, measure between the penis and the leg, right against the septum.

In fact, that is one of the reason why I like to do it over the leg, because the temperature sensors in the leg are more fine tuned and sensitive, giving you the right indicator of temperature without having to measure the whole time. Once you measure temperature, you will say “aha! So when I feel that intensity in the leg, the temperature in the septum is such and such” and you will develop some sort of temperature database in your brain measured by skin sensors.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by Rocco25
Thank you!

Well, what can I say. I’m not quite sure about that either.
In Krypa’s thread there are 2 different statements. Krypa writes of 30 min, Tutt of 60 min.

I initially took a break after 30 min to let the blood circulate. This is quite effortful and by now I’m pulling through in one piece again.
A torniquet can apparently be used for 2 hours without any problems. I’m well below that with one hour.

If I have something new to say about it, I’ll come back to it.

I don’t want to throw this thread off track and god knows there is already far too much to read through but I feel that this is important information
I believe there are very sound reasons why we don’t exceed 10 minutes in any clamp, or blood restricting tourniquet. I’m always throwing this study around on the effects of a penile tourniquet on the VEGF level in rats, 10 minutes elicited increased levels of VEGF (vascular endothelial growth factor) and TGF beta-R (transforming growth factor beta receptor), but 30 minutes universally elicited a decrease of those same growth factors even below starting levels. There’s a lot of data on remote ischemia that seems to indicate that vascular benefits result in response to a rather narrow timeframe, beyond which you will just be doing kinds of damage that don’t necessarily seem to promote growth.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19387925/

Originally Posted by igigi
Glad you have started my friend.
Few questions: This questions are just in case we can help you with information/techniques to improve the therapy.

- What was your initial weight? or did you stretch the whole time with 6lbs?

- You say that your Post BPFSL was “maybe” 18.4. Is there a specific reason why it wasn’t accurate? The best way to measure is Bone pressed. And by that, it means press the ruler agains the same spot each time, and press as hard as you can. In other words, getting as close to the bone as possible. If we always measure that way, using the exact same spot each time, measuring will be reliable.

In regards to feeling the heat in the leg, that is the way it is pretty much. It doesnt mean you’re heating your leg and not your penis. You will always feel that burn in the leg, but that same heat is radiating to the inner penis. Once you get a thermometer, measure between the penis and the leg, right against the septum.

In fact, that is one of the reason why I like to do it over the leg, because the temperature sensors in the leg are more fine tuned and sensitive, giving you the right indicator of temperature without having to measure the whole time. Once you measure temperature, you will say “aha! So when I feel that intensity in the leg, the temperature in the septum is such and such” and you will develop some sort of temperature database in your brain measured by skin sensors.

My initial weight is my Restorex, which is 1500g I think? I warm up with that, wrapped with a heating pad, and then I used the 6 lbs for the ultrasound hanging over my leg. My hanger is a homemade device…basically a clamp tied to twine with carabiners that clamp onto my weights. I use a piece of pipe insulation just under my glans, and clamp there. I lay on the edge of my bed and basically let it free hang for 20 minutes while using the US. Then for my 10 minute cool down, I leave it like that and take it off after a few minutes and continue with manual stretched until my 10 minutes is up. It’s tough to keep it from sliding off for that extended period of time. I say 18.4ish, because I’m bone pressed, but stretched and squeezed as much as possible, realizing that some of that length is due to the squeezing of the glans. However, for recording purposes, I call it 18.4 because that’s the highest i got after repeated measurements. I need to get something better for hanging, because my clamping device ends up covering the top 1/4 of my shaft, so I’m limiting myself. What are you using? And yes, I know it’s all listed here and I’ve read it all, but I didn’t take notes on that or the specific type of sensor everyone’s using for heat.

Originally Posted by Rocco25
Thank you!

Well, what can I say. I’m not quite sure about that either.
In Krypa’s thread there are 2 different statements. Krypa writes of 30 min, Tutt of 60 min.

I initially took a break after 30 min to let the blood circulate. This is quite effortful and by now I’m pulling through in one piece again.
A torniquet can apparently be used for 2 hours without any problems. I’m well below that with one hour.

If I have something new to say about it, I’ll come back to it.

Now. Using a clamp and my name in same sentence out of the context need some clarification right away.
The clamp I was talking and Rocco is referring is a noose. Made out of clamp which can be adjusted precisely.

Not tightened to the point of cutting the circulation a lot if not at all.
Tight enough to form a fitting robust ring behind the glans making firm attachment not compressing the shaft to the point of cutting out circulation.
Shape -locking the device into the contours not to grap by the compressive force.

Originally Posted by Golddinger
I don’t want to throw this thread off track and god knows there is already far too much to read through but I feel that this is important information
I believe there are very sound reasons why we don’t exceed 10 minutes in any clamp, or blood restricting tourniquet. I’m always throwing this study around on the effects of a penile tourniquet on the VEGF level in rats, 10 minutes elicited increased levels of VEGF (vascular endothelial growth factor) and TGF beta-R (transforming growth factor beta receptor), but 30 minutes universally elicited a decrease of those same growth factors even below starting levels. There’s a lot of data on remote ischemia that seems to indicate that vascular benefits result in response to a rather narrow timeframe, beyond which you will just be doing kinds of damage that don’t necessarily seem to promote growth.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19387925/

Talking about clamps then, not noose as were the case above.
Yes , it is reasonable not to exceed 10 minutes when the device is cutting the circulation by high degree.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Now. Using a clamp and my name in same sentence out of the context need some clarification right away.
The clamp I was talking and Rocco is referring is a noose. Made out of clamp which can be adjusted precisely.

Not tightened to the point of cutting the circulation a lot if not at all.
Tight enough to form a fitting robust ring behind the glans making firm attachment not compressing the shaft to the point of cutting out circulation.
Shape -locking the device into the contours not to grap by the compressive force.

Talking about clamps then, not noose as were the case above.
Yes , it is reasonable not to exceed 10 minutes when the device is cutting the circulation by high degree.

Thank you for clarifying.

From post #554 of this thread, I thought Rocco was referring to his home made wooden clamp.

I believe I have seen before the noose you’re a talking about which I am sure it works wonderful for this purpose.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by igigi
Thank you for clarifying.

From post #554 of this thread, I thought Rocco was referring to his home made wooden clamp.

I believe I have seen before the noose you’re a talking about which I am sure it works wonderful for this purpose.

Yes, I was referring to the clamp.

Sorry, Krypa, if I have mixed things up here. We have exchanged on p.106f in your thread about this topic. There I probably did not understand you correctly. I reread it and when we talk about the “30 min”, you seem to have referred more to the stretching.

I think it is almost impossible to work with the wooden clamp without stopping the circulation.

Originally Posted by igigi
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Currently, the basic foundation of the protocol consists in 1 hour workout per day, 3 days on, 2 days off.

- 30 minutes of stress relaxation
- 20 minutes of US stress relaxation
- 10 minutes of cool down

The stress relaxation is based on strain, and loads are at a starting point of around 500 grams, (05.kg) all the way up to 2.5kg-3kg

I’m struggling to understand the amount of weight to be used during the initial stress relaxation phase to avoid the stiffening response Kyrpa has mentioned. I have a steel cord (and/or tough septum) and my BPFSL has not budged throughout my PE career. In fact, it doesn’t even change temporarily post exercise no matter what I’ve done in the past. I have recently adopted Kyrpa’s US method, and for the first time, I’m able to achieve a post session strain of around 3% with 6 pounds (in the past, I couldn’t even do this hanging 17 pounds for an hour). With that said, the initial 30 min stress relaxation is a mystery to me in regards to what weight to use because my BPFSL before and after it are always the exact same no matter the weight. I’ve relegated the initial phase to hanging 5 pounds arbitrarily. Is there a better approach in my case?

Originally Posted by Sthom
I’m struggling to understand the amount of weight to be used during the initial stress relaxation phase to avoid the stiffening response Kyrpa has mentioned. I have a steel cord (and/or tough septum) and my BPFSL has not budged throughout my PE career. In fact, it doesn’t even change temporarily post exercise no matter what I’ve done in the past. I have recently adopted Kyrpa’s US method, and for the first time, I’m able to achieve a post session strain of around 3% with 6 pounds (in the past, I couldn’t even do this hanging 17 pounds for an hour). With that said, the initial 30 min stress relaxation is a mystery to me in regards to what weight to use because my BPFSL before and after it are always the exact same no matter the weight. I’ve relegated the initial phase to hanging 5 pounds arbitrarily. Is there a better approach in my case?

Good post. Important things involved and worth to think by many.

Congratulations on finding the technique to yield such a good strain percentage by the heated exercise alone.
If you were able to have the tissue pre-conditioned with even some degree of strain before hand the possibility to achieve progress would be substantially better.
Even if the over-all strain wouldn´t be lot better necessarily.

You are able to get past the stiffening point with heated 6 lbs stretch. Which would be pretty much impossible operating cold in the same given time.
Taking in count your history of hanging up to 17 lbs without strain, could be that it won´t be happening in any given time.

With 5 lbs you might be are already too far in the loading. You may be causing the tissue to stiffen up right at the start.

Now if I were you I would be going downwards in 0.5 lbs increments to see if you achieve a strain of some sort at certain threshold load.
If some appears then find if the strain decreases at some loading stage.
Coming back then to closest step upwards and look if more is possible increasing the given time in 5 minutes increments.

The actual stretching exercise should be evaluated as well if it is insufficient . Once you have found if you can achieve strain at some loading stage, then I would suggest you to adjust the stretching exercise to be optimized with incremental loading.
Start with lower than threshold load and build it up with small increments in every 5- 10 minutes until you spend the last 10 minutes at the threshold load.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Kyrpa has given you the perfect answer.

Just to add my 0.02, you need a proper setup and a scale measuring tension at all given times. That is the most accurate way to determine the proper amount of tension from beginning to end. Measuring the relaxation will allow you to allocate the proper initial weight, proper increments, and final load for a span of 30 minutes. It will take you some time to gather all this data and square it out for the right routine.

I didn’t even do it myself that way, and I intend it to do it this way this next time. During my first period I was starting with a tension of 500grams and slowly relaxing with increments of 200grams all the way up to 2-2.5kilograms. But I believe that in order to keep the scientific approach to this therapy, it is important to use all necessary tools to create the best protocol, which is individual, not universal. When it comes to initial load, increments and final load, is a personal routine, similar to exercise for bodybuilding in which each routine is specific for each individual, not universal.

With this new setup I intend to answer my own old question in which a penis that is 14cm long BPFSL, will not behave the in the same way under the same tension as a penis that is 25cm long BPFSL. Therefore the solution is to properly measure tension during relaxation and find the specific best numbers for each case.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

I have a question that I can’t find the answer to in these threads.
Earlier on in this thread, Kyrpa implied that US shouldn’t be utilized as a casual warm up. Is this to say that US can’t have a role in application of other methods, specifically manual exercises? Some recent posts have been made regarding applying US while clamped. But if the heating capabilities of US are as profound as the data is leading us to believe, couldn’t we utilize US prior to just about any manual exercise as long as we observe the safety protocols? I recall Kyrpa’s post that applying US without any kind of strain applied could cause the tunica fibers to align in a sort of a directionless mesh, which would be very inflexible and clearly is not what we want. But if we were to apply US while stretched, and then immediately practice other manual techniques, jelqing, ulis, squeezes, I’m having trouble seeing why this would be problematic, or if I’m simply misunderstanding the initial caution against casual US warm-ups.

In other news, I did start about a week ago with the recommended US routine, 30 minutes stretching unheated, 20 minutes stretching with US application, 10 minutes stretching unheated, all done with a modest 2.5 pound weight and a cheap leather hanger. I don’t want to jump the gun with premature data, but before starting this protocol just last week my BPFSL was 7 3/4”. Tonight, post-US protocol, I’m measuring a decisive 8 1/8” BPFSL. This is such an unprecedented leap in my mind that I am inclined to mistrust my starting measurements, although it was taken multiple times over the course of a few days before the US. However, it could be legitimate and simply owing to a number of other factors. Namely, that I’ve been applying topical iodine to my unit for about 2.5 months on a near daily basis, and have noticed some physiological changes which lead me to believe that it has made my tunica more pliable via a local reduction of scar tissue. So it could be accurate. (I do not apply the US with any remnant of iodine on the surface of my member, this seems intuitively like a potentially very bad idea with regard to the capability of US to act as a carrier).
In any case, my BPEL has increased by 1/4” in the same timeframe. I am still doing manuals while performing the US protocol, but I’m very confident that my routine is not primarily responsible for these measurements.
MSEG, no change, forever stalled at 5 3/8”. Unfortunately for me, with the very large gap between my BPFSL and BPEL, I feel that I should be focusing on girth exercises, thus the interest in an answer to my first question. I will keep doing this length routine for now, but I am definitely most interested in applying the US technology and Kyrpa and Manko’s principles to manual girth exercises. I will not clamp again.


Last edited by Golddinger : 03-02-2021 at .

Originally Posted by Golddinger
I have a question that I can’t find the answer to in these threads.
Earlier on in this thread, Kyrpa implied that US shouldn’t be utilized as a casual warm up. Is this to say that US can’t have a role in application of other methods, specifically manual exercises? Some recent posts have been made regarding applying US while clamped. But if the heating capabilities of US are as profound as the data is leading us to believe, couldn’t we utilize US prior to just about any manual exercise as long as we observe the safety protocols? I recall Kyrpa’s post that applying US without any kind of strain applied could cause the tunica fibers to align in a sort of a directionless mesh, which would be very inflexible and clearly is not what we want. But if we were to apply US while stretched, and then immediately practice other manual techniques, jelqing, ulis, squeezes, I’m having trouble seeing why this would be problematic, or if I’m simply misunderstanding the initial caution against casual US warm-ups.

In other news, I did start about a week ago with the recommended US routine, 30 minutes stretching unheated, 20 minutes stretching with US application, 10 minutes stretching unheated, all done with a modest 2.5 pound weight and a cheap leather hanger. I don’t want to jump the gun with premature data, but before starting this protocol just last week my BPFSL was 7 3/4”. Tonight, post-US protocol, I’m measuring a decisive 8 1/8” BPFSL. This is such an unprecedented leap in my mind that I am inclined to mistrust my starting measurements, although it was taken multiple times over the course of a few days before the US. However, it could be legitimate and simply owing to a number of other factors. Namely, that I’ve been applying topical iodine to my unit for about 2.5 months on a near daily basis, and have noticed some physiological changes which lead me to believe that it has made my tunica more pliable via a local reduction of scar tissue. So it could be accurate. (I do not apply the US with any remnant of iodine on the surface of my member, this seems intuitively like a potentially very bad idea with regard to the capability of US to act as a carrier).
In any case, my BPEL has increased by 1/4” in the same timeframe. I am still doing manuals while performing the US protocol, but I’m very confident that my routine is not primarily responsible for these measurements.
MSEG, no change, forever stalled at 5 3/8”. Unfortunately for me, with the very large gap between my BPFSL and BPEL, I feel that I should be focusing on girth exercises, thus the interest in an answer to my first question. I will keep doing this length routine for now, but I am definitely most interested in applying the US technology and Kyrpa and Manko’s principles to manual girth exercises. I will not clamp again.

Great, make sure you measure cold right before stating the routine, and measure again immediately after finishing the routine.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Originally Posted by Golddinger
I have a question that I can’t find the answer to in these threads.
Earlier on in this thread, Kyrpa implied that US shouldn’t be utilized as a casual warm up. Is this to say that US can’t have a role in application of other methods, specifically manual exercises? Some recent posts have been made regarding applying US while clamped. But if the heating capabilities of US are as profound as the data is leading us to believe, couldn’t we utilize US prior to just about any manual exercise as long as we observe the safety protocols? I recall Kyrpa’s post that applying US without any kind of strain applied could cause the tunica fibers to align in a sort of a directionless mesh, which would be very inflexible and clearly is not what we want. But if we were to apply US while stretched, and then immediately practice other manual techniques, jelqing, ulis, squeezes, I’m having trouble seeing why this would be problematic, or if I’m simply misunderstanding the initial caution against casual US warm-ups.

In other news, I did start about a week ago with the recommended US routine, 30 minutes stretching unheated, 20 minutes stretching with US application, 10 minutes stretching unheated, all done with a modest 2.5 pound weight and a cheap leather hanger. I don’t want to jump the gun with premature data, but before starting this protocol just last week my BPFSL was 7 3/4”. Tonight, post-US protocol, I’m measuring a decisive 8 1/8” BPFSL. This is such an unprecedented leap in my mind that I am inclined to mistrust my starting measurements, although it was taken multiple times over the course of a few days before the US. However, it could be legitimate and simply owing to a number of other factors. Namely, that I’ve been applying topical iodine to my unit for about 2.5 months on a near daily basis, and have noticed some physiological changes which lead me to believe that it has made my tunica more pliable via a local reduction of scar tissue. So it could be accurate. (I do not apply the US with any remnant of iodine on the surface of my member, this seems intuitively like a potentially very bad idea with regard to the capability of US to act as a carrier).
In any case, my BPEL has increased by 1/4” in the same timeframe. I am still doing manuals while performing the US protocol, but I’m very confident that my routine is not primarily responsible for these measurements.
MSEG, no change, forever stalled at 5 3/8”. Unfortunately for me, with the very large gap between my BPFSL and BPEL, I feel that I should be focusing on girth exercises, thus the interest in an answer to my first question. I will keep doing this length routine for now, but I am definitely most interested in applying the US technology and Kyrpa and Manko’s principles to manual girth exercises. I will not clamp again.

That’s what the US heat guys are saying, that it happens QUICK. 1/4” BPEL is nothing to sneeze at. If you’ve been stuck at a plateau for years it’s going to be incredible to have ANY type of gains, let alone a full 1/4” BPEL. Keep at it, that might become 1/2” or 3/4” of total gains…

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