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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by Paradigm
So after coming off of a week recovery from an injury, I’ve lost some BPFSL of about 0.4 CM but I wanted to know from others of the following.

1. Since I don’t have a thermometer to test the internal urethra, does everyone go based on time of 8 - 10 minutes OR go based on feel? For me, when I get to the point where the heat becomes unbearable, I assume that I have hit the right heat temperature internally so then I rotate to another area.

2. Has anyone tested or figured out a way to use the Ultrasound on the Suspensory Ligament since that is what is key to unlocking some easy gains?

1.If the heat start to feel unbearable the temperature is high, +40 C , at the range of 41-42C. You should expand the territory , visiting this already heated section occasionally to keep the temperature up.

2. Impossible in extender setup. Using hanger setup I can heat the suspensory ligament as well. The transdurer can be placed in many ways to target the heat and not affect testicles or intestines.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I don’t think it’s safe to use ultrasound regularly.

On the histological level ultrasound is damaging. If there’s not a period of time for the tissues to reorganize themselves, they will eventually lose their developmentally determined shape and become a blob of tissue. When a human body develops molecular markers are placed in the extracellular matrix as guide posts for what types of cells go where and things like connective tissues are organized in a scaffold that enzymes attach new polymer fragments to. If you have repetitive injury, these molecular markers can get lost through degradation before they are replaced and scaffolds can be so disrupted that polymers don’t know where they should bind to contribute to correct orientation fibers, macrophages don’t know what is correctly oriented scaffolds or disoriented fragments, and the tissue goes from an organ to a simple vascularized tumor blob.

I don’t know the period of time necessary for tissues to reorganize themselves, so using ultrasound for heating regularly might be safe. But I wouldn’t apply ultrasound regularly myself. I’m reminded of kung fu practitioners that would punch trees repetitively until their fists turned into blobs of flesh and bone with unmoving fingers cemented in place somewhere in those tumors.


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Originally Posted by Sigmoid
I don’t think it’s safe to use ultrasound regularly.

On the histological level ultrasound is damaging. If there’s not a period of time for the tissues to reorganize themselves, they will eventually lose their developmentally determined shape and become a blob of tissue. When a human body develops molecular markers are placed in the extracellular matrix as guide posts for what types of cells go where and things like connective tissues are organized in a scaffold that enzymes attach new polymer fragments to. If you have repetitive injury, these molecular markers can get lost through degradation before they are replaced and scaffolds can be so disrupted that polymers don’t know where they should bind to contribute to correct orientation fibers, macrophages don’t know what is correctly oriented scaffolds or disoriented fragments, and the tissue goes from an organ to a simple vascularized tumor blob.

I don’t know the period of time necessary for tissues to reorganize themselves, so using ultrasound for heating regularly might be safe. But I wouldn’t apply ultrasound regularly myself. I’m reminded of kung fu practitioners that would punch trees repetitively until their fists turned into blobs of flesh and bone with unmoving fingers cemented in place somewhere in those tumors.

Your concerns are appreciated, but it really sounds like you are talking about focused high-intensity applications which we are not using here.

There are no reported cases of such a dramatic tissue formations developed and, neither there are no reported cases of properly executed US therapy causing significant damages whatsoever with low-intensity ultrasound applications. And this not my opinion.

About the fiber orientation. There are in vivo studies available low-intensity ultrasound doing exact opposite you suggested.
The fiber alignment with the direction of the force increases during the US exposure applied under tensile stress , the better the organization the longer the exposure.

If we are about to use shock waves( ESWT) or such as high energy applications regularly the disorganization similar you described should happen.

There are no actual recommendations of the low-intensity ultrasound treatment maximal exposure duration or exposure frequency.
There should be if the application were that dangerous you described as these applications have been in use for decades.

So we are relying on common sense not doing it every day, not using excessive intensity, not using stationary application.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 01-19-2020 at .

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
1.If the heat start to feel unbearable the temperature is high, +40 C , at the range of 41-42C. You should expand the territory , visiting this already heated section occasionally to keep the temperature up.

2. Impossible in extender setup. Using hanger setup I can heat the suspensory ligament as well. The transdurer can be placed in many ways to target the heat and not affect testicles or intestines.

How long should we be heating after we are done with PE? I’ve been heating the top and bottom side of penis for about 30 min. What I mean by that is I sit down while I apply heat and I put the heat pad on the top side of penis and then lift my penis against my stomach and apply heat to the bottom part. Heating the entire top and bottom area of penis.

Originally Posted by MagicMike69
How long should we be heating after we are done with PE? I’ve been heating the top and bottom side of penis for about 30 min. What I mean by that is I sit down while I apply heat and I put the heat pad on the top side of penis and then lift my penis against my stomach and apply heat to the bottom part. Heating the entire top and bottom area of penis.

I don´t know if someone has used post exercise heating. Though it may give some increased enzymatic functions if you are looking for healing response, we don´t know if it makes any difference.

The main concept with the heating is to heat the tissue several degrees prior and during the stretching exercise for increasing the strain produced by the exercise.
For the permanent gains perspective the cooldown process with continuing to stretch after heating is stopped should be the most productive way.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Great read so far,very intrigued by your rate of gains and I’ve decided to join.

Just purchased the Ultrason-101 from amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Relief-Machi…ps%2C152&sr=8-6)

Its a 1 MHZ microprocessor machine that has capability up to 3w/cm2

Looks and feels very sturdy. Excited to get started .


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Originally Posted by Womb
Great read so far,very intrigued by your rate of gains and I’ve decided to join.

Just purchased the Ultrason-101 from amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Relief-Machi…ps%2C152&sr=8-6)

Its a 1 MHZ microprocessor machine that has capability up to 3w/cm2

Looks and feels very sturdy. Excited to get started .

Hopefully that machine works our for you. FYI, I used the same machine but it broke after about 6 uses. Also, IMO the sound head transducer area is too small. It is effectively emitting a collimated or slightly converging beam that is barely 1cm^2. After mine suddenly stopped working, I removed to shield of the sound head to find that in fact the transducer area is very small, barely 1cm^2.

Fill up a clear quart jar full of vegetable oil, turn up the power, and submerge just the face of the sound head in the oil. You can see the wavefront propagating through the oil in a very focused pattern. You can even use a thermometer to measure the heat generation pattern in the oil.

Unfortunately, my Ultrason emitted such a focused wavefront that there was a lot of pinching due to power spikes. It took a lot of trial and error to get comfortable using it. It has way more than enough power concentrated into too small a treatment area. IMO, not the best tool for the job. Hopefully you can figure out how to make it work well for you and it lasts.

Originally Posted by Tutt
Hopefully that machine works our for you. FYI, I used the same machine but it broke after about 6 uses. Also, IMO the sound head transducer area is too small. It is effectively emitting a collimated or slightly converging beam that is barely 1cm^2. After mine suddenly stopped working, I removed to shield of the sound head to find that in fact the transducer area is very small, barely 1cm^2.

Fill up a clear quart jar full of vegetable oil, turn up the power, and submerge just the face of the sound head in the oil. You can see the wavefront propagating through the oil in a very focused pattern. You can even use a thermometer to measure the heat generation pattern in the oil.

Unfortunately, my Ultrason emitted such a focused wavefront that there was a lot of pinching due to power spikes. It took a lot of trial and error to get comfortable using it. It has way more than enough power concentrated into too small a treatment area. IMO, not the best tool for the job. Hopefully you can figure out how to make it work well for you and it lasts.

If someone does this test then don´t get fooled about the spike in the middle. Concentrate on the circles surrounding it .
There is always a spike in the middle because 1 MHz can penetrate up to 10cm or more in the oil. How much it radiates and the wavefront propagating is the concern
I found the best way to study the beam was making a hole in the bottom of the clear jar,sealing it on the transducer and turning it upside down.
1.6 w/ cm^2 intensity with 1 MHz did not show in the oil the way Tutt describes.

Then applying oil in incremental levels you can see the circular patterns on the surface of the oil. The circular pattern at the start with only few millimeters of oil shows nicely the ERA(effective radiating area. ) .The circular patterns should show decreasing circles adding the oil. You can measure each step and actually draw the beam shape with these observations.

Quality machines have their Beam Nonuniformity Ratio (BNR) 5:1 or less. More than 8:1 can be labeld as harmfull with higher intensities.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 01-23-2020 at .

I’m planning to come back from my 4 week break.
People here suggested a decon break because I couldn’t make gains when using this method for 2 months.

How should I approach it this time? I will give it one more try.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
If someone does this test then don´t get fooled about the spike in the middle. Concentrate on the circles surrounding it .
There is always a spike in the middle because 1 MHz can penetrate up to 10cm or more in the oil. How much it radiates and the wavefront propagating is the concern
I found the best way to study the beam was making a hole in the bottom of the clear jar,sealing it on the transducer and turning it upside down.
1.6 w/ cm^2 intensity with 1 MHz did not show in the oil the way Tutt describes.

Then applying oil in incremental levels you can see the circular patterns on the surface of the oil. The circular pattern at the start with only few millimeters of oil shows nicely the ERA(effective radiating area. ) .The circular patterns should show decreasing circles adding the oil. You can measure each step and actually draw the beam shape with these observations.

Quality machines have their Beam Nonuniformity Ratio (BNR) 5:1 or less. More than 8:1 can be labeld as harmfull with higher intensities.

Those are good points Kyrpa. With the machine he purchased, the beam (at least for my unit) was very small in diameter and quite collimated. The max power was easily enough in deep oil to show a visible column of oil flow. On the plus side, this meant the unit had plenty of power to heat tissues. The downside was that it was very prone to stabbing and pinching pains. The sound head had to be in perfect contact at all times with the tissues, which had to be covered with ample gel. The beam was so narrow that the only way to properly heat the tissues was at higher power and faster movement. The benefit of a larger diameter beam is that you have the luxury of using it at lower power per cm2 and moving slower without the risk of hot spots. The objective in PE is to sneak up on 42-43C slowly in as large an area as possible, and then maintain with slow and steady movement. Arguably, this is best accomplished with an ERA of roughly 12cm^2 applied underwater, but I’ve not found any such devices at a reasonable cost. So the 4cm^2 ERA of the US pro 2000 is still MUCH better than the 1.5cm^2 ERA of the Ultrason I was using.

BTW, the Ultrason claims a BNR of <2:1, but I don’t believe that at all given the incredibly high power observed at the center of the ERA. I’ve read several sources stating that a BNR of 3:1 has long been considered the gold standard and that claims of lower BNR have yet to be proven.

Originally Posted by Tutt
Hopefully that machine works our for you. FYI, I used the same machine but it broke after about 6 uses. Also, IMO the sound head transducer area is too small. It is effectively emitting a collimated or slightly converging beam that is barely 1cm^2. After mine suddenly stopped working, I removed to shield of the sound head to find that in fact the transducer area is very small, barely 1cm^2.

Fill up a clear quart jar full of vegetable oil, turn up the power, and submerge just the face of the sound head in the oil. You can see the wavefront propagating through the oil in a very focused pattern. You can even use a thermometer to measure the heat generation pattern in the oil.

Unfortunately, my Ultrason emitted such a focused wavefront that there was a lot of pinching due to power spikes. It took a lot of trial and error to get comfortable using it. It has way more than enough power concentrated into too small a treatment area. IMO, not the best tool for the job. Hopefully you can figure out how to make it work well for you and it lasts.

Thanks Tutt.

I’ve been using the machine sparingly at first just as i get my feet wet with US heat- 5mins here and there at 1.0 w/ cm2

I tested a few drops of water on the head at 1.0 w/cm2 and little poofs of smoke would appear, after that the beads of water would vibrate as expected.

I compared this to the US PRO 2000 and at high power there were hardly any poofs of smoke.

Is this something i should be concerened with?

I’ve used the machine with caution and low energy out put and time so far, but on the other hand it seems much more potent than my US PRO 2000


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Originally Posted by Tutt
Do any members here have extensive experience in generating high frequency electromagnetic fields? I could use some guidance on prototyping a radio frequency device.

I have thought about this before, even creating an electromagnetic field using the Lorentz force in an attempt to reduce the mass of the penis and perhaps a field strong enough that can alter time-space for exercise/healing purposes.

Originally Posted by Tutt
Do any members here have extensive experience in generating high frequency electromagnetic fields? I could use some guidance on prototyping a radio frequency device.

I’m not sure if this post is real or edited, since I didn’t find the original with a cursory glance, but using EMF on cells is not a good idea. There is some sort of mechanism, as evidenced from cell culture studies, that correlates variable EMF exposure, not necessarily static exposure, to cancer. You can think of it as something like the total radiation exposure thresholds before cancer is expected in OSHA stipulations.

Contrary to what some governments say, having traded health for progress, radiation does not need to be ionizing to cause cancer or other problems. There is a phenomenon called resonance and it doesn’t just apply to physical movement, it also applies to electrons, atoms, molecules, and nervous systems. Think about how a microwave distributes energy disproportionately affecting the H-O bond in water, or think about how the light spectrum, not necessarily UV, is used in chemistry to change the chemical reaction rate by weakening specific bonds, or think about how radiowaves disproportionately transmit data based on the orientation and size of antennae. And if electrical fields didn’t interact with organic molecules without ionizing intensity, how does gel electrophoresis work? It doesn’t have to be ionizing to have an effect.


Starting: 7"bplx5.2" 2017 (shrunk from disuse)(originally 8"bplx4.5", gained to 9"bplx6")

Current: 9.0"bplx6.125" 2020

Goal: 11.5"bplx7" 2021.

I bought a ultrasound device about a year ago and have used it very rarely. I can’t really tell that is heating at all. Psychologically, I just feel like it’s not working because it doesn’t feel warm. However, I know that it’s penetrating deeply and to be cautious with it too. The device I bought was fairly inexpensive and it’s called US1000 3rd edition made by compass health. I’m not advertising the product at all, I’m just curious if any one else has had luck with it. I can’t tell if it’s helped with gains, because of how infrequently I’ve used it. It’s also not very convenient for me to be slathering all that lube on during a stretch session.

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