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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Thank you so much Kyrpa for sharing your thoughts. Your scientific approach to the US topic is a game changer. While for years has been speculation and vague trials, you brought it together pretty much to a proven therapy.

I was thinking about using a metal pipe as a fulcrum, I guess that is not a good idea due to reflection unless I wrap it with some isolation.

So if I hang straight out while heating, the 1mhz frequency waves will go through my shaft and get lost in the air on the other side correct? Hence the penis firmly resting on top of the leg. Will 3mhz waves be able to stay in the penile shaft while hanging straight out?

Originally Posted by igigi
Thank you so much Kyrpa for sharing your thoughts. Your scientific approach to the US topic is a game changer. While for years has been speculation and vague trials, you brought it together pretty much to a proven therapy.

I was thinking about using a metal pipe as a fulcrum, I guess that is not a good idea due to reflection unless I wrap it with some isolation.

So if I hang straight out while heating, the 1mhz frequency waves will go through my shaft and get lost in the air on the other side correct? Hence the penis firmly resting on top of the leg. Will 3mhz waves be able to stay in the penile shaft while hanging straight out?

Thanks man. I read these forums for a while and thought , wait a minute, why on earth these guys never tried it properly. I can assure you and for everyone else that I thought it was a dream seeing first signs of success.

In fact the great portion of the ultrasound beams is more likely to bounce back into penis when hitting the skin to air boundary. Only portion of it is lost immediately .
The problem is that because the shape of outer layer of the shaft forms a lens the reflecting beam is concentrated to hit against the source.
This can either decrease the heating effect or at least in theory form a standing wave if the intensity is strong enough.

Thats why we can have a advantage of the backing medium as the counter reflection is cut off. If you have already found out how it works then you can start to experiment with fulcrums. You may find the metal pipe working just fine dividing the reflection not being focused anymore. This should be done best with a smaller radius fulcrums.

Another issue may still arise. If the beam reflects in the small degree angels relative the shaft length , the waves can bounce all the way in our testicles and internals.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Sounding Rod Heat

Kyrpa,

Has it ever been thought of to use heat through a sounding rod slid in the urethra? I could fabricate such a device to try out, with digital heat control set to 104-105F, or whatever temperature is desired, I would like to know your thoughts on this option for heating the septum. I have a thick “steel cord” and was thinking about using US Therapy to heat up with.

Originally Posted by 08cpc91
Kyrpa,

Has it ever been thought of to use heat through a sounding rod slid in the urethra? I could fabricate such a device to try out, with digital heat control set to 104-105F, or whatever temperature is desired, I would like to know your thoughts on this option for heating the septum. I have a thick “steel cord” and was thinking about using US Therapy to heat up with.

I have shared some thoughts about it but haven´t found readily available solutions at the MHz frequencies, with a small enough diameter.
If there would be such a really thin probe providing enough intensity and the wavefront could radiate only radially for safety reasons.

I can see any stretching efforts being difficult to be produced safely and painless with a probe inside the urethra. Safest option for the use of this line of equipment would be with pumping.

Additionally I need to say that using such a probe can cause urethral discomfort , pain and even bleeding . Using it causes pissing to to hurt for several days and the can´t be used in daily basis.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 04-29-2020 at .

Originally Posted by 08cpc91
Kyrpa,

Has it ever been thought of to use heat through a sounding rod slid in the urethra? I could fabricate such a device to try out, with digital heat control set to 104-105F, or whatever temperature is desired, I would like to know your thoughts on this option for heating the septum. I have a thick “steel cord” and was thinking about using US Therapy to heat up with.

For temperature control we have already done that. Using conventional US devices monitoring urethral tempereture with a probe during.
You can find test runs made in this fashion earlier on this thread.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by 7by5
@Kyrpa

I’m interested in starting this but I want to loop all the information into one place. Would you mind helping with the following areas?

- Devices to use:
(Was thinking US Pro 2000)

- Frequency of usage:
(How often we should be including US in our workouts)

- Method of usage:
(How we should be using the US in each individual workout)

- Positive signs:
(What we should look out to show we are doing it correctly)

Many thanks

Hello,

Been away for sometime and not being involved what is going on down here.
Longerstretch already gave his view on this but I would like to add mine also.

- Just posted a general advice on choosing the device in this tread.
Device you mentioned works but takes some effort to maintain the heat. Some more intensity would make a difference. It is what it supposed to be , BNR and ERA seems to be like they claim and the electronics are fine. I have found dual setup using two of these devices simultaneously making the job done easily and keeping the unit heated for all of it´s volume.

- It is not recommendable to use ultrasound in daily basis. Using 2-3 days in a row and keeping 2 days off seems to be fine. I started with using it 1-2 days in three days workout cycle followed by the 2 days off. Later I went to use it 3 days in a row followed by the 2 days off.

- It is recommendable to use it on your main exercises. Never to use it on unstretched unit. You need to use it as a active tool , it is not a passive warm up method of any kind.

- The most distinctive sign of correct use is the penis being really healthy. There is very little or none soreness or exhaustion felt or seen in your unit despite the huge strains possible to reach during exercises.
The usual negative PI´s many are experiencing as they exercise their units are simply not there. No retraction, erectile responses and EQ being just fine.
All the studies saying it is possible to stretch connective / soft tissue during therapeutical heat with signifacantly lower damages on tissues relative to achieved elongation is confirmed with penis .


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I was talking about a heated (not US heat) soft silicone sound rod, they are flexible and don’t really feel uncomfortable. My wife gives me hand jobs with one inserted, its only 6mm diameter. My only reason for not letting this idea go, is the fact it can be inserted far past the pubic bone, to disperse the internal heat along the entire shaft, even the shaft that lies inside us. Or is this just a bogus idea? I have the resources and abilities, just want some input if I should even bother investing the time?

Originally Posted by 08cpc91
I was talking about a heated (not US heat) soft silicone sound rod, they are flexible and don’t really feel uncomfortable. My wife gives me hand jobs with one inserted, its only 6mm diameter. My only reason for not letting this idea go, is the fact it can be inserted far past the pubic bone, to disperse the internal heat along the entire shaft, even the shaft that lies inside us. Or is this just a bogus idea? I have the resources and abilities, just want some input if I should even bother investing the time?

Okey. External conductive heating rarely reach septum, we don’t know if your urethral sound works or not.
But your idea is easily tested. Make a protype and stick it inside the sausage to mimic the penis. Monitor the temperatures in septum depth.
The urehtra should be kept at maximum of 45 degree celcius not to get burnt.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

I do not see the point honestly in finding tricky ways to heat the urethra if the procedure detailed by Kyrpa using US is proven to work.

I took my time to read all the threads related to US heating and growth and a great portion of the threads is debating the procedure, coming up with some random ideas, baseless recommendations against the tools used, etc.

The reality is this: Kyrpa and Manko have done an EXTENSIVE log for over a year with all the necessary data and details of what they have done. They came up with a safe way, temperatures, times, with the right tools, the proper protocols, they basically PROVE the safest efficient way to so it with proven results.

I recommend to all those members with enough experience who have hit the septum dead end, to duplicate the process. If you want results, read and duplicate it. If you wanna try experiments, you can do it but you’re taking the chances of not getting the same successful results.

I will duplicate the process soon and I will share all my results.

I try to see it in the same way we see the existent medical procedures available in the market such as gainswave or priapus shot. (PRP)

You can go to any clinic in the country offering such services, and the therapy/procedure will be the same. Why? Because before them, doctors made extensive research with trial and error to come up with the most efficient therapy to use current technology and achieve maximum safe results. You will not see each clinic having a complete different protocol with different tools trying a different thing each time.

This is very similar. Kyrpa took all this “theory” and “speculation” with a professional mindset and very carefully researched it, tried it, adjusted it, tried it again, adjusted it again, til finally already having great results, came up with the most efficient safest protocol for maximum results with available technology.

Of course there will be new discoveries. There will be new things to try. We have to make baby steps to research, experiment, collect data. But as far as the behavior of septum tissue under tension is pretty much mastered with this therapy. Perhaps we can think of a different therapy that will complement and work in a synergistic way with this one to improve results even faster. But everything has to be taken in a very professional way for safety, accuracy, results.

Meanwhile if it ain’t broken, why fix it.

I agree that the theory has been nicely explicated. My hangup right now is with practical matters like how to apply US while applying traction since extenders seem to prevent good heating and hangers cover too much of the shaft. I know that Krypa modified a Penimaster Pro for the purpose, and maybe that is what I’ll do too, but it’s an expensive device to tinker around with and possibly accidentally damage in some way. The process of finding a good US machine also seems to be pretty hit or miss right now. I suppose all the 1MHz machines are too weak and 3MHz machines are awfully expensive unless you want to entertain the crapshoot of buying something from India or China on eBay or Alibaba.

I also think it would be nice if there was a thread that was focused more on the practice of doing routines based on the theory. Longerstretch started a really nice one, but then no one seemed to follow up on it. All in all, it would be great if more people were actually trying this out and sharing their experiences. Maybe there’s a bit of a situation of that more people aren’t doing it for the kinds of reasons I list as my own in the above paragraph, but then because there aren’t more people doing it, we don’t get much of the kind of discussion that tends to work through those kinds of problems.

Originally Posted by sentii
I agree that the theory has been nicely explicated. My hangup right now is with practical matters like how to apply US while applying traction since extenders seem to prevent good heating and hangers cover too much of the shaft. I know that Krypa modified a Penimaster Pro for the purpose, and maybe that is what I’ll do too, but it’s an expensive device to tinker around with and possibly accidentally damage in some way. The process of finding a good US machine also seems to be pretty hit or miss right now. I suppose all the 1MHz machines are too weak and 3MHz machines are awfully expensive unless you want to entertain the crapshoot of buying something from India or China on eBay or Alibaba.

I also think it would be nice if there was a thread that was focused more on the practice of doing routines based on the theory. Longerstretch started a really nice one, but then no one seemed to follow up on it. All in all, it would be great if more people were actually trying this out and sharing their experiences. Maybe there’s a bit of a situation of that more people aren’t doing it for the kinds of reasons I list as my own in the above paragraph, but then because there aren’t more people doing it, we don’t get much of the kind of discussion that tends to work through those kinds of problems.

I agree 100% with you my friend. I on exactly the same boat. Looking for a 3Mhz machine, and debating then how to properly create and hold the tension. I have an old vacuum traction device that luckily has worked perfectly fine for me all these years. It has an excellent vacuum attachment and I will most probably use that attachment to either hang while heating or creating tension with an elastic band and a luggage gauge to measure tension. Like you say, not enough people yet replicating this exercise and creating a log with results. I am very committed and excited to start mine, as soon as I have all the materials I will create a thread.

Some thoughts on igigi´s and sentii´s posts

These things take some time to sink in. Not everyone has the ability, opportunity, discipline or courage to start this line of programs. There is a party that does not believe PE work in general, then there is a group believing that conventional PE works for everyone. Both are wrong.
Then there is a non-gainers group never tried any heating method despite multiple examples of it making the difference.

Some may be scared about the possible risks involved with US, but if anyone ever read the warnings and precautions for use listings of their prescribted or over-the- counter medicine, no one would ever consume any aspirin or NSAID’s for example. Coming back to this method, considering the risk profile of this we may actually be extensively on the safer side, we just don´t know because there is not millions of user base on heating their dick programs.

Just like seniti said the machinery available at affordable price ranging from crap to decent.
If someone pondering the purchase of some cheap unit, they should at least ask the seller the ERA and BNR of the machine. These figures say a lot of the quality and the realistic performance.
If they say they have a 3w/ cm^2 intensity but the ERA is really small and the BNR is large the machine is not so efficient after all. Another thing is if the figures are what they claim at all with some of these most affordable ones.
If the seller is not able to give these figures at all, you may not bother to purchase the machine.

I don´t know if Manko ever comes back, I surely hope so. Longerstretch is going fine job with his log. There are few guys like DocJ , whom have reported on my log, others as well getting results.
Of course there are some who have not been able yet to duplicate the success others have achieved such as Mercuryarms.
Until there are 20 to 30 users in similar program we cannot say what is the rate of non- responders.

Despite the “scientific” approach the pioneering users have taken, this can be done in a more user friendly manner once there is enough experience and data.

For the guys coming up with the ideas, I highly appreciate everyone who has the ability to actually make and test any of their inventions in practice.
If the ideas are highly theoretical and not able to be tried by any practice achievable then not so much.

Anyone being or getting familiar with the ultrasound , having any observations or ideas are very welcomed to share their thoughts.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Thank you so much for your feedback Kyrpa, That thing about ERA and BNR clarify a lot of things. That’s actually one of the last things that still got me confused.

For the past couple of weeks I am leaning more and more to the idea of just buy the US pro 2000 and follow your protocol. We know you succeeded with it, that has 1000 more times validity than experimenting with some cheap equipment with unknown technical specifications and unknown results.

If your budget allows purchase two of them with a gallons of gel .

Additional tips for the purchase:
I do not want to be confusing anyone more than they already are on choosing the machine but the 1MHz and 3MHz can be producing very similar results depending on the ERA in each case.

- Small ERA the beam is more collimated (focused)
- With 3 MHz the beam is more collimated (focused)

- Large ERA the beam is more diverging
- With 1 MHz the beam is more diverging


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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