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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by LittleEngine
Thank you Kyrpa.

When you have a moment (no rush), might you describe your process for inserting the thermocouple?

Many thanks.

Sure,
No problem.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Hello everyone

So I think I’m going to try to sell on the first Indian ultrasound 3MHz unit that I bought - if anyone here would like it please let me know. It cost me about £180 before custom import charges and I’ve used it a few times. Thinking if someone wants it for say £50 + postage I’d be happy to let it go.

About its quality - I wasn’t sure it was the best quality at the time, plus wasn’t sure what I should be feeling (re. heat in the shaft) so at the time I had also invested in a reconditioned machine (Dutch made) which I’m using now. I’d say probably the Indian machine is OK, just not the best quality, but perhaps good enough for someone starting out on a budget? I’m not sure how big the actual ERA is for example, and also the guys I bought the reconditioned unit off had mentioned that they had tested some of the Indian units and found that they weren’t the best quality. But having said that, if anyone feels they could use this unit, please let me know.

The actual unit on Ebay is here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264564616157


Start: 6" BPEL x 5" EG (mid)

Current: 7.562" BPEL x 5.56" EG (mid, near glans) x 6.25" EG (base)

Goal: 8.5" BPEL x 6.2" EG (whole shaft)

I understand that when using 1mhz it’s better to use on the ventral side to target the dorsal side but i have the aqua flex gel back off pads arriving soon, now could I use 1-2 of these maybe stacked on the dorsal side and heat the dorsal side this way?

What I’m trying to do is fulcrum hang over a metal pipe or wooden rolling pin, if I could heat from the dorsal side it would be much easier. Would it make sense to wrap the fulcrum in something too, maybe a silicon sleeve or small rice sock as a barrier between the fulcrum and penis?

Originally Posted by pudd1ng
I understand that when using 1mhz it’s better to use on the ventral side to target the dorsal side but i have the aqua flex gel back off pads arriving soon, now could I use 1-2 of these maybe stacked on the dorsal side and heat the dorsal side this way?

What I’m trying to do is fulcrum hang over a metal pipe or wooden rolling pin, if I could heat from the dorsal side it would be much easier. Would it make sense to wrap the fulcrum in something too, maybe a silicon sleeve or small rice sock as a barrier between the fulcrum and penis?

If the fucrum is small in diameter the reflection should divide and refract away from the incident wave.
Try it and if you can feel heating effect being in the wider area the refraction angle is perfect.
If the heating effect weakens you may need to wrap it with some material like the gelpad.

Using gelpads do cause some attenuation on transducer incident wave beam.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)


Last edited by Kyrpa : 06-08-2020 at .

Thanks Kyrpa I will give it a try regarding the fulcrum.

Regarding the gel pads so I could place the pad on top of the dorsal shaft and heat that way yeah? Would you still recommend using gel with the gel pad?

Originally Posted by pudd1ng
Thanks Kyrpa I will give it a try regarding the fulcrum.

Regarding the gel pads so I could place the pad on top of the dorsal shaft and heat that way yeah? Would you still recommend using gel with the gel pad?


There are studies available of gelpad use. It was seen in the results that gel+gelpad combo caused less attenuation tha gelpad alone.
You can use the pad between the transducer and shaft targeting the heating for lesser depth.
And using it on the opposite side as a ultrasound phantom, making the waves continuing through the shaft decreasing backfiring reflection.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
There are studies available of gelpad use. It was seen in the results that gel+gelpad combo caused less attenuation tha gelpad alone.
You can use the pad between the transducer and shaft targeting the heating for lesser depth.
And using it on the opposite side as a ultrasound phantom, making the waves continuing through the shaft decreasing backfiring reflection.

Been using the gel pads and there working very well.

My unexpected issue with my routine is the stress relaxation part, nearly every time when I’m using the extender or using a band I get an erection and I can’t work out why? If I hang btc or over a fulcrum with weights I stay flaccid.

Would there be any alternative ultrasound therapy devices you guys would suggest from aliexpress , I mainly buy my PE equipment from there .

So tried a wooden fulcrum for my heated portion today (with gel pad on top of shaft), the quickest and hottest I have achieved so far but I’m not sure if wood is a safe thing to be using with US?

Originally Posted by etzioauditor
Would there be any alternative ultrasound therapy devices you guys would suggest from aliexpress , I mainly buy my PE equipment from there .

I’m currently looking at 3MHz devices like the one linked below:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224050487305

Most of these devices come from India, so I’m not sure on their build quality however there doesn’t seem to be any other alternative within an affordable price range.

Most of the machines come in 1 or 3MHz output ranges. BNR isn’t mentioned which worries me as this is a measure of the potential highest energy output in any given area and is highly correlated to build quality.

The output across the transducer is between 0 to 3.5watts per cm2 which is too high so I’d lower this to 2.0watts per cm2 for safety reasons.

Ultimately they seem like good machines on paper but I’ll be interested to see if anyone has any experience with them. I’m not bothering with 1MHz devices, waste of time unless your penis is 8 inches thick. 3MHz will heat your penis faster because more energy is being produced and absorbed.

Originally Posted by etzioauditor
I actually bought this one
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/329…c224c4dzIJ IIq
It hasn’t arrived yet so couldn’t test it , hopefully it will be useful for our purposes .

As far as I have read this is advertised as a pulse-only tool. This is not going to work for the purposes of PE. You want a 1 - 3MHz, low BNR ultrasound device emitting a continuous beam not a pulsed beam (interval spacing).

I could be wrong and have read it incorrectly, but I don’t see where it says it operates continuously and provides both a pulsed and continuous setting.

Additionally, with this kind of equipment - you get what you pay for. Spending £30 on a device seems a bit cheap for me. This could mean high BNR ratios or just poor components that will break or lead to loss of efficacy over time.

It’s worth spending a decent amount on this piece of kit as it’s complexity will mean that it requires good components and manufacturing standards that therefore cost money.

Yea , the information seems to be lacking , ill have to give it a go , thanks for your help . How about this one:

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/329…237566 %23839_

This one seems to have both continuous working mode and discontinuous working mode .

Why is continuous mode needed btw doesn’t pulsed also heat the same just with more time ?

Originally Posted by etzioauditor
Why is continuous mode needed btw doesn’t pulsed also heat the same just with more time ?

Insufficient method. All physiotherapy heating applications use continuous mode. Even with more time you would need to raise the intensity up significantly to elevate the temperature at same level.

Your penis is great cooler by autonomous thermoregulatory system of the human body, which dictates that certain amount of energy must be used in given time to elevate the temperature.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

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