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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Does the traction force need to increase during the cooldown period, or is the ultrasound heat beneficial even if the the traction is constant through the whole session?

Has anyone here tried using ultrasound heat in long ADS/extender stretching sessions where the traction force never goes above 1500g?

Originally Posted by mercuryarms

Does the traction force need to increase during the cooldown period, or is the ultrasound heat beneficial even if the the traction is constant through the whole session?

Has anyone here tried using ultrasound heat in long ADS/extender stretching sessions where the traction force never goes above 1500g?

I dare to answer that ADS is a many-hour “light” load, and our ultrasound therapy lasts no more than 20-25 minutes in a good way, starting from safety procedures. As for me, I am now at a break from тренинги, as I have endless work experience of 8 years, now I am waiting for some collagen turnover and a decrease in the extracellular matrix internal stress, however, I could not resist and did some tests. 4 kg under ultrasound give relaxation of stress (the load dropped to 3.7 kg) on ​​my penis, I had to stretch the tension belt of my equipment to support the given 4 kg. The main rule is not to apply intense heat with a flaccid нерастянутая penis, and a load of 1.5 kg is already something.

Is there a way we can increase the watts per cm2 on these devices , like get a device with low watts/cm2 and increase it ?

Originally Posted by etzioauditor

Is there a way we can increase the watts per cm2 on these devices , like get a device with low watts/cm2 and increase it ?

I think its possible but not sure if the inner components would be durable enough for the current increase , ill probably try this with a cheaper device , can be interesting for my electronics engineering study’s as well even if the experiment fails .

Originally Posted by etzioauditor
The device I’m looking at has a max. 35±5 degree centigrade , would this be a problem ?
Or a way around it .
http://hometherapy.nutekmedical.com…ct/news178.html

Pre-heating feature. It heats the head for to be more user friendly, thats all.

The machine you are looking is the US PRO 2000 with different trademark.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
Pre-heating feature. It heats the head for to be more user friendly, thats all.

The machine you are looking is the US PRO 2000 with different trademark.

Oh yea everything seems to be same , just different name . I thought the device would stop working at that temperature for some reason ahah , good feature if that isn’t the case . Think this will do as a first device to get started .

Was looked at another device .Which wrote :

Era/Bnr : 5 cm2 < 5, 1cm2 < 8

This means its bnr can go upto 8:1 ?

And also some devices don’t seem to mention bnr for some reason .

Originally Posted by etzioauditor

Was looked at another device .Which wrote :

Era/Bnr : 5 cm2 < 5, 1cm2 < 8

This means its bnr can go upto 8:1 ?

And also some devices don’t seem to mention bnr for some reason .

I think it smaller than 5 for the 5cm2 head and smaller than 8 for the 1cm2 head of the transducer .

Originally Posted by etzioauditor
I think it smaller than 5 for the 5cm2 head and smaller than 8 for the 1cm2 head of the transducer .


Yes, this is correct.

More than 8:1 is considered to be unsafe.
Maximum on 5:1 can be tolerated, the smaller the BNR the better the machine.


START 18/13.15 cm Jul 24th 18 (7.09/5.18") NOW 22.5/15.2 cm Fer 12th 20 (8.86/5.98") GOAL 8.5"/ 6"

When connective tissue is stretched within therapeutic temperatures ranging 102 to 110 F (38.9- 43.3 C), the amount of structural weakening produced by a given amount of tissue elongation varies inversely with the temperature. This is apparently related to the progressive increase in the viscous flow properties of the collagenous tissue when it is heated. (Warren et al (1971,1976)

Chiming in here with some support for this particular method of PE.. It really seems like quite a breakthrough.

It’s been roughly a month that I’ve been on the wagon yet again. Had a long infrequent history of PE before, but the gains in one month of concentrated exercises are serious stuff. I’ve yet to measure a casual flaccid length but it’s roughly 1 centimeter (or 0.4 in) in a month that I’ve gained with EL starting to catch up. And with minimum effort even: I’m sure I’m lucky that the first method that I try works so well, but my workouts have been with merely 1 kilo (roughly 2 lbs) and haven’t gone past 45 minutes and it’s been enough. Now as this is very much a starting situation I’m prepared for the strain levels to decrease at some point. Before that, I’ll keep the weight this low.

The weight I use seems lower than the other users’ though - anyone out there gaining with 2 lbs or possibly even less?


06/24/2020: BPFSL 19.2 cm BPEL 18.2 cm

07/20/2020: BPFSL 19.8 cm BPEL 18.7 cm

08/29/2020: BPFSL 20.2 cm BPEL 19.2 cm


Last edited by mr. fingers : 07-19-2020 at . Reason: Additional question added.

Has anyone with hard flaccid been able to gain using this method?

Is a squishy meaty flaccid hang a prerequisite for gains.

Originally Posted by Kyrpa
As we already know the biophysical effects of ultrasound are separated into thermal and nonthermal effects.
This post is fully concentrated on thermal effects safety aspects.

The therapeutic heat during the ultrasound session in PE is of course the main effect what we are after.
Reaching inner penis temperatures of 39.7- 43.3 ⁰ C includes the risk of temporary overheating.
Therefor it is necessary to act cautiously when increasing the intensity of the application.
Managing safe application means also using the constantly moving transducer handling techniqueto avoid hot spots emerging.

The link provided below is for the review evaluating the risk exposure of the thermal mechanismfor ultrasound‐induced biological effects.
Safe exposure time calculations based on this study forms the time bracket not to exceedwith the given temperature, if we don´t like to take a increased risk on thermally caused cell
Degradation and cellular damage.

SAFE APPLICATION TIMES FOR GIVEN TEMPERATURE
Here T is in °C and application time t is in seconds, and for which there have been no significant
Adverse biological effects observed due to temperature values smaller than or equal seen in this
Chart.

T (°C)___t (sec)___T (°F)
46,0 _____7,5 ____114,8
45,5 ____10,6____113,9
45,0 ____15,0____113,0
44,5 _____21,5____112,1
44,0 ____30,7____111,2
43,5 ____42,5____110,3
43,0 _____59,0____109,4
42,5 ____119,0____108,5
42,0 ____238,0____107,6
41 5 ____ 476,0____106,7
41,0 ____ 950,0____105,8
40,5 ____1897,0____104,9
40,0 ____3785,0____104,0

For the reasons not excluded from penile heating circumstances it is recommendable that we
Should keep an extra safety margin within these limits above.

Despite having made a series of test runs measuring urethral temperatures the info we have on
Heating performance is not excluding the possibility of having hot spots elsewhere on the shaft.

We should also stay on the safe side keeping the ultimate safety limit at 45 °C not to exceed it in any circumstances.

Up to 45 °C the enzymatic and metabolic rates continue to increase and at 45 °C the adverse biophysical effects start to happen.
Especially seen after enzymatic reactions have reached the peak they start to rapidly decrease exceeding the threshold temperature.
Staying below this the penis has the natural ability also to cool down within the safety limits once the application has been removed.

The penis has the human body thermo regulatory mechanism kicking in resisting to easily exceed the mean temperature of 41 °C with 1.6 – 2.0 w/cm^2 applications stabilizing the temperature despite the occasional peaks. Thermally induced analgesic effect on nerves should also be taken in consideration during high risk-profile PE applications. There is controversial indications on studies concerning the analgesia. Some frequencies are known to non-thermally sensitize neural effects opposite to analgesic effect caused thermally.

If someone still not convinced about the safety of the non-thermal or thermal biophysical effects of ultrasonic application then he should use it having 4 days of rest between the applications.

It is the suggested time needed for non-mitochondrial cellular damages to heal.
If we are stupid enough to use the transducer stationary keeping it focused in one spot for extended times those may start to occur for sure.
If the damages emerge to happen at the mitochondrial level more time is needed and some portion of the damage could be irreversible.

All in all ,with the responsible and educated use the ultrasound is relatively safe with our application targeting the 39.7- 43.3 °C range of therapeutic heat.

As a summary doing everything patiently and respecting the risks, we are not going to accidentally cook our penises and drop them off well done.

The Risk of Exposure to Diagnostic Ultrasound in Postnatal Subjects
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi…m.2008.27.4.517

To be later continued with practical examples

Very informative. I have a probably stupid question: does the size of the penis matters in term of heating/time of the session? I mean smaller penis need less power ouput or less time compared to bigger units? As we can’t measure inner temperature like Manko did, how do we know if we reached the right T ?

Originally Posted by tiritera
Very informative. I have a probably stupid question: does the size of the penis matters in term of heating/time of the session? I mean smaller penis need less power ouput or less time compared to bigger units? As we can’t measure inner temperature like Manko did, how do we know if we reached the right T ?

That is NOT a stupid question. It is very valid and very good scientific question. It is something I wondered before, and I don’t think our expert friends have yet come to that answer since we need a lot more of anecdotal experience to gather every case, analyze, group and classify in order to develop that data.

I thought the same at one point. Somebody with say 12cm of BPFSL, will NOT be affected in the same way by 2kg for 20 minutes than a person with a 25cm BPFSL. There will be eventually a direct correlation of load/tension/time directly proportional to volumetric size of the phallic apparatus and/or connective tissue architecture.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

So did my first US session and after that it was easier to get into my all day extender/stretcher which I think will be pretty good for length gains , can use the heat to achieve more tension on the penis .

But how much time do we have after our penis is heated up and we can wear our devices because we lose 1-2 minutes cleaning the ultrasound gel etc. (I read the whole thread but got a bit confused with the graphs :| )

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