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Using the ultrasound for therapeutic heat in PE

Originally Posted by igigi
That is NOT a stupid question. It is very valid and very good scientific question. It is something I wondered before, and I don’t think our expert friends have yet come to that answer since we need a lot more of anecdotal experience to gather every case, analyze, group and classify in order to develop that data.

I thought the same at one point. Somebody with say 12cm of BPFSL, will NOT be affected in the same way by 2kg for 20 minutes than a person with a 25cm BPFSL. There will be eventually a direct correlation of load/tension/time directly proportional to volumetric size of the phallic apparatus and/or connective tissue architecture.

Thank you! For sure there must be a correlation and it would be fundamental to know which kind of stress can be used in order to promote growth without going too far too soon, based on the same principle that excessive load can be counterproductive for our purpose, even more than insufficient.

Speaking about US heating it would be also great to understand if there any difference in time/watt used on different volumes penis in order to reach and maintain the right temp: probably Kyrpa and Manko who are very knowledgeable on US in general and moreover when applied to penis, can have an answer or a solid opinion.

So I have been experimenting with my routine because one issue I’m having is the stress relaxation portion, I’m not getting anything or extremely little out of it. I have used different extenders, hangers, bands and so on and there is no change to my bpfsl even after an hour of stress relaxtion.

The only way I get strains is basicaly a creep routine, I found using the ultrasound right from the beginning to be best and to my surprise using 10mins us, 10mins cold in the same set to be best to for strain. Basicaly I hang otl for 10mins and us then I hang over a 1.0” fulcrum for 10mins cold, I can do this for a few sets and with bib.
Today I’m going to to try 20-30mins us otl and 20mins 1.4” fulcrum with LG hanger.

The reason for the above could have something to do with my steel cord running from base to head smack bang in the middle and really high erection level.

Originally Posted by tiritera
Thank you! For sure there must be a correlation and it would be fundamental to know which kind of stress can be used in order to promote growth without going too far too soon, based on the same principle that excessive load can be counterproductive for our purpose, even more than insufficient.

Speaking about US heating it would be also great to understand if there any difference in time/watt used on different volumes penis in order to reach and maintain the right temp: probably Kyrpa and Manko who are very knowledgeable on US in general and moreover when applied to penis, can have an answer or a solid opinion.

They did already. All the science is there. You have to read Manko’s thread and Kyrpa’s thread. The most important thing is temperature. Without the right temperature those changes in collagen remodeling will not happen. Now about the watt, I do not remember the correct numbers but the 1Mhz US Pro 2000 at high setting will do the job. A 3Mhz machine like the one Manko brought will heat up faster.


06/08/2020 BPFSL: 22cm (8.66") BPEL: 22cm (8.66") EG: 15.8cm (6.25") => 08/07/2020 BPFSL: 23cm (9.05") => 09/07/2020 BPFSL: 23.9cm (9.40")

Goal: 1 Foot x 7.5 Inches (30.48cm x 19.05cm)

P.S.: Original start of PE is Circa 1998AD. Aprox size was BPEL: 17.78cm (7") EG: 12.44cm (4.9")

Hey pudd1ng, saw you have this infamous steel cord. I have it too. We’re able to make any gains or there is little to no hope for us with this steel cord.

Looking forward to your reply.

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Meliodas_222
Hey pudd1ng, saw you have this infamous steel cord. I have it too. We’re able to make any gains or there is little to no hope for us with this steel cord.
Looking forward to your reply.
Thanks in advance.

Hey Meliodas, there is definitely hope. Kyrpa has had tremendous gains, and I’ve been using a method very similar to his. Gained soon one centimeter in flaccid length in a little less than two months.


06/24/2020: BPFSL 19.2 cm BPEL 18.2 cm

07/20/2020: BPFSL 19.8 cm BPEL 18.7 cm

08/29/2020: BPFSL 20.2 cm BPEL 19.2 cm

Whats the recommended bang for the buck heating lamp these days?

Since US requires conductive gel and the transducer head is rather large are those using this technique heating the tissues before wrapping and applying the hanger? There isn’t much room proximal to the Bib starter (for me at least) to accommodate the transducer head and certainly the gel is problematic vis a vie wrapping.

So, is the technique:
1. Pre heat with US.
2. Wipe off gel and wrap
3. Put on Hanger and use something like a rice sock or heating pad while actually hanging?

Thanks,

Originally Posted by Iaintliein
Since US requires conductive gel and the transducer head is rather large are those using this technique heating the tissues before wrapping and applying the hanger? There isn’t much room proximal to the Bib starter (for me at least) to accommodate the transducer head and certainly the gel is problematic vis a vie wrapping.

So, is the technique:
1. Pre heat with US.
2. Wipe off gel and wrap
3. Put on Hanger and use something like a rice sock or heating pad while actually hanging?

Thanks,

To my understanding most if not all people who use US and hang are using vacuum hangers, in which case the shaft is easily heated.

You shouldn’t use ultrasound when not under tension, be it hanging, stretching or other. US heating with no stretch might be even harmful to gains, as the goal is to stimulate and redirect collagen fibers into the direction of the stretch - in the absence of which the tissues strengthen and potentially need to be worked harder on. When completing the warming up (20 minutes seems to be a consensus), the stretch should then be continued while tissues cool down.


06/24/2020: BPFSL 19.2 cm BPEL 18.2 cm

07/20/2020: BPFSL 19.8 cm BPEL 18.7 cm

08/29/2020: BPFSL 20.2 cm BPEL 19.2 cm

Originally Posted by mr. Fingers
To my understanding most if not all people who use US and hang are using vacuum hangers, in which case the shaft is easily heated.

You shouldn’t use ultrasound when not under tension, be it hanging, stretching or other. US heating with no stretch might be even harmful to gains, as the goal is to stimulate and redirect collagen fibers into the direction of the stretch - in the absence of which the tissues strengthen and potentially need to be worked harder on. When completing the warming up (20 minutes seems to be a consensus), the stretch should then be continued while tissues cool down.

Many thanks!

Manko was bib hanging and using us.

I use both vac and bib. Yes there is less shaft exposed with the bib but hanging otl with the bib I can heat from base to mid shaft, best thing about the bib is higher loads are more achievable. I won’t go over 2.5kg with a vac now as it’s not worth it.
So for example =
Vac - 1.25kg to 2.5kg - 60mins
Bib - 3.75kg heated 20mins
Bib - 4kg cold 20mins

Originally Posted by pudd1ng
Manko was bib hanging and using us.

I use both vac and bib. Yes there is less shaft exposed with the bib but hanging OTL with the bib I can heat from base to mid shaft, best thing about the bib is higher loads are more achievable. I won’t go over 2.5kg with a vac now as it’s not worth it.
So for example =
Vac - 1.25kg to 2.5kg - 60mins
Bib - 3.75kg heated 20mins
Bib - 4kg cold 20mins

So the key, to me at least, is to not wrap past the proximal end of the Bib. I may yet buy an US.

Originally Posted by igigi
They did already. All the science is there. You have to read Manko’s thread and Kyrpa’s thread. The most important thing is temperature. Without the right temperature those changes in collagen remodeling will not happen. Now about the watt, I do not remember the correct numbers but the 1Mhz US Pro 2000 at high setting will do the job. A 3Mhz machine like the one Manko brought will heat up faster.

Is this the 1mhz us pro 2000 https://www.tenspros.com/us-pro-200…78aAsx_EALw_wcB
?

That is the one, make sure is second edition and buy a lot of gel too.


01/02/2010 17,5cm BP x 13,25cm 18/03/2010 18,3cm BP x 13,5cm Rest. = 3,5cm x 3,5cm ---meta---> 21cm BP x 16,5cm=>

02/01/2010 6.89'' BP x 5.1" 03/18/2010 7.2" x 5.3"------goal---> 8.25" BP x 6.5 Left = 1.4" x 1.4" ------goal---> 8.25" BP x 6.5

03/20/2019 19 x 14 cm

Originally Posted by mjana
That is the one, make sure is second edition and buy a lot of gel too.

Ok. That thing a wand? So it internally heats the tissues to the magical temps for increased capillaries and collagen remodelling?

I was planning in using in conjunction with a vac extender.

That device will heat your penis internally and the objective is to reach 40 to 43 degrees celsius, that is the plastic state for collagen fibers.

I know is a lot but if you read Kyrpa’s main threat you will find all answers dispersed.

The Basic routine is stress relaxation 30-40min (stretch with no preheat but heating while stretching), US heat 30min (OTL stretch with ultrasound heating application) and manual exercises. There Is many variations of this but basically is this. Always should measure in flacidstate bone pressed before and after the exercises.

Many use vac extender for this.


01/02/2010 17,5cm BP x 13,25cm 18/03/2010 18,3cm BP x 13,5cm Rest. = 3,5cm x 3,5cm ---meta---> 21cm BP x 16,5cm=>

02/01/2010 6.89'' BP x 5.1" 03/18/2010 7.2" x 5.3"------goal---> 8.25" BP x 6.5 Left = 1.4" x 1.4" ------goal---> 8.25" BP x 6.5

03/20/2019 19 x 14 cm

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